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The result was keep. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 22:11, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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I prodded this article, but an objection was raised on the articles talk page. My original prod reason was "No reason why these fictional aliens, featured in only two books, are notable". Objection raised relies mainly on notability being inherited from its author (or even from a set of books that these aliens don't appear in). I believe they do not meet the notability standards. Dylanfromthenorth (talk) 21:47, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 01:00, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Science fiction-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 01:00, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge article to an appropriate list. Edward321 (talk) 15:47, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep based on multiple instances of significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. It easily satisfies WP:N. The WP article needs to get hatted for failing to cite sources.
  • Use newsbank.com and search for Caleban. There's one hit from "io9 - May 6, 2008" - The context of this hit is unclear but it's an example of "notice" in sufficient detail to pass WP:N and appears to be independent of the subject.
  • Beacham's popular fiction in America, Volume 1 By Walton Beacham pp. 618-619 is about the Caleban and their treatment in the Herbert books.
  • Encyclopedia of popular fiction by Kirk H. Beetz pp 4619-4621 discusses the Caleban and their treatment in Herbert's books.
  • The Transcendent adventure: studies of religion in science fiction/fantasy Robert Reilly pp. 152-153 is about the Caleban and their treatment in Herbert books.
  • Dune master: a Frank Herbert bibliography by Daniel J. H. Levack, Mark Willard pp. 63-64 is about Whipping Star but covers the Caleban in what looks like sufficient detail to pass WP:N.
  • Frank Herbert by Tim O'Reilly pp 180-183 is about Whipping Star and Dorsdai Experiment but it includes an explanation of the Caleban. It's not clear how detailed this one is but at least is evidence of notice.
  • The ultimate guide to science fiction: an A-Z of SF books by David Pringle p. 358 has a section on Whipping Star but includes enough about the Caleban that it likely passes as a WP:N notice. --Marc Kupper|talk 00:09, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per Kupper. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) 18:20, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Books are notable, article avoids duplicating information. Nageh (talk) 20:50, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.