The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Nomination withdrawn, no remaining support for deletion; article needs work, but that's not the province of AfD. (non-admin closure) Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 16:26, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Apology of al-Kindy (book) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log)

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No indication of notability per WP:N.   Cs32en Talk to me  12:51, 30 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Additional note: The book apparently features a character named "Al Kindi" (Abd al-Masih ibn Ishaq al-Kindi). This character has no relation to the scholar Al Kindi.  Cs32en Talk to me  13:43, 30 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I am withdrawing the nomination. However, I continue to believe that the content of the article needs to based on reliable sources. This source gives some indications on the vast amount of uncertainty that surrounds this text.  Cs32en Talk to me  08:11, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This book has been regarded as an important text on the subject of Islam by scholars since the Middle Ages. Possibly it does not have anything important to say about Islam. However, who are we to dispute with people like Martin Luther? The fact that people of his stature were interested in the book makes it notable. --Alan (talk) 13:29, 30 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Apology of al-Kindy (book) says it's "a medieval theological polemic tract attributed to an Arab Christian known as Al Kindi". However, Abd al-Masih ibn Ishaq al-Kindi says that Al Kindi is the alias of a Christian character in the medieval theological work Apology of al-Kindy. I am nominating Abd al-Masih ibn Ishaq al-Kindi for deletion as well, as that article also provides no indication of notability.  Cs32en Talk to me  13:40, 30 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

OK, the notability of Al Kindi as a person/character hinges on the notability of the famous Apology (although in any case there is an argument for the Christian Al Kindi's inclusion as an aid to disambiguation, given the possibility of confusion with the Muslim Al Kindi).

Leaving aside whether Al Kindi existed or not (I have no opinion to offer as to whether he is fictional), it is puzzling that no specific reason has been advanced for the book being anything other than notable by Wikipedia's criteria. The first issue to be determined is whether the book is notable or otherwise. -Alan (talk) 14:56, 30 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. While I'm not finding nearly as many sources as I would expect, it's still more than enough to attest notability. Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 21:54, 30 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep As Roscelese says, there are enough sources to show this as notable--and I think, actually famous. DGG ( talk ) 03:17, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

According to this source, Abd al-Masih ibn Ishaq al-Kindi is not the author of the book. While that source may of course be wrong, it would be very helpful if editors would write articles based, at least primarily, on reliable, secondary sources.  Cs32en Talk to me  04:29, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The article you've wikilinked is the article on the al-Kindi of the Apology. The Muslim philosopher is a different person who has a separate article. Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 05:12, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I know that these are two different Al Kindi's. However, according to the source I have cited, neither is the author of the book.  Cs32en Talk to me  05:56, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see where you're getting that from the source you cited. Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 06:08, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have just had a look at the source again. You are correct: the source just says that the Al Kindi of the book is not Al Kindi, the philosopher. Sorry for the confusion.  Cs32en Talk to me  06:17, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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