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I felt the Orissa article to be too pro-Christianity. Too many, or rather all pro-links. I did some rash editing which was all immediately undone. Jobxavier (talk) 14:39, 10 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Pranavbhai Bhavsar,

Why did you delete this section? Please don't. If you disagree with the facts. let us discuss that.

--Vikramsingh 02:15, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Vikramsinh,

I don't have any objection with the article or section. It could be an article itself in Current events. I request you to do so. There may be thousands of issues associated with such university, we should not list it on the front page of MSU. It is a global encyclopedia and should include the details about the university. We should definately mentioned it in couple on lines under Faculty of Fine Arts section. --Barodian 14:55, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

```` My intention was not to create misunderstanding between different groups of people, like Brahman, Rajput or Khatri. I am exploring the process of history which resulted in Khatris to become successful professionals & mercantile class from their earlier Vedic role of fighting & governing.

The emergance of Rajput in 8th century is an intresting phenomenon. Many historians have different theories. What are your thoughts ?

About the book.. It is being published in Pakistan.

Farhat

IPKapoor: You have been vandalizing Khatri and other pages, you have been vandalizing even the talk pages. You have been inserting false information. You have been deleteing articles and replacing them by directing them to improper articles.--Vikramsingh 22:44, 24 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not remove content from Wikipedia. It is considered vandalism. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. Please do not deliberately introduce incorrect information into articles. It is considered vandalism. If you would like to experiment, use the sandbox. Thank you.

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Thanks for the information you put onto the Kapoor article. --Plumcouch 21:32, 16 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for informing what was this. I'd suggest not even to ban him, but to protect the page --Henriquevicente 00:27, 23 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for helping out on the caste article.Bakaman%% 02:04, 8 August 2006 (UTC) I am not at an organization known for its scholarship? Exactly what organization do you come from?[reply]

I know I made an edit about Walia also being called Ahluwalias. This is because I am one myself but noone is really sure in my family and relations whether we are Khatris or a groop such as Sonis and Aroras. Also if if we have mentioned Walias then why don't we have Monetek Singh Ahluwalia in the list of known personalities?

Please don't let caste bias come into this.

-- Unitedroad 5:18 pm 9th September 2006 (IST)

Hi Vikramsingh. I apologize for undoing your two-week revert on the Californian Hindu textbook controversy article, which reintroduced formatting problems (e.g. stray returns) and caused the deletion of what I believe to be uncontroversial grammar and copyediting changes. If you have changes to make, please make them directly in the article itself, without deleting unrelated materials. Thanks! Anirvan 23:46, 29 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Vikram Singh. At the moment, I can't see how the article is encyclopedic. Unless it is done to a standard like Anti-Americanism, then I don't really like these articles because they are vulnerable to subjectivism and woolliness. Perhaps some kind of article about international relations would be more appropriate. As for my Vietnamese background, I'm not sure why this would particularly matter? Regards, Blnguyen | Have your say!!! 02:12, 30 May 2006 (UTC).[reply]

मित्र विक्रम सिंह,

तुम्हारे अनुरोध पर मैनें अपने मत पर पुनर्विचार किया। परन्तु मैं यह समझ पाने में अक्षम हूँ कि कैसे यह लेख विश्वकोशीय मानकों का पालन करता है। अपने विकीपीडिया के अनुभव कि आधार पर मैं इस नतीजे पर पहुँचा हूँ के यह लेख सिर्फ़ एक वैकल्पिक विचारधारा के बढ़ावे के लिये POV fork की तरह लिखा गया है। मैं यह भी समझ पाने में असमर्थ हूँ के मेरा मत इस बात पर क्यूँ निर्भर करे कि इस विषय पर किसी और विचारधारा के लोगों का क्या मत है। यदि तुम्हारे पास कोई ऐसी जानकारी है जो कि इस लेख को विश्वकोशीय मानकों पर स्थापित कर सकती है तो मैं तुम्हे सलाह देता हुँ के तुम उसे इस लेख में लिखो। User:Blnguyen के द्वारा दी हुई सलाह पर भी विचार करो। मैं स्वयं इस लेख पर नज़र रखता हूँ और यदि कभी भी यह मानकों का पालन करता है तो मैं अपना मत बदल लूँगा।

-Ambuj Saxena (talk) 20:52, 31 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

One quick comment. The term "India Basher" has just 135 unique hits on Google, hence its probably not noteworthy as well. -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 21:04, 31 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

India Basher is a term often used by reporters for a few prominent western politicians who are critial of India as a political entity (see references below). It has specifically been used for who have supported separationist movements in India. It is also occasionally used for writers who are seen as being critical of India.

Origin of Anti-India bias:

India became independent in August 1947, and adapted a constitution in January 1950. As Churchill had written on the even of India's independence [1], a country of 18 official languages, 1652 dialects and numerous distinct social groups, was not expected to survive as a united nation. It was believed that a democracy can survive only in a relatively wealthy nation.

Independent India has struggled with poverty, crop failures, disorders, wars, corruption etc. Yet democracy has managed to survive and India has now become an example for the third world.

India's first Prime Minister Nehru chose an independent course for India, independent of both USA and the Soviet Union. India emerged as a major proponent of non-alignment movement. This caused several western politicians to become hostile to India.

Anti-India Legislations

A few politicians in the west, specially in USA, have been active in introducing anti-India legislations and have opposed aid to India.

In 1997, HR 182, the Human Rights in India Act, was sponsored by Rep. Dan Burton (R-IN) and Rep. Gary Condit (D-CA). to cut-off U.S. development aid to India until the president certifies to Congress that India has taken "certain steps to prevent human rights abuses" in India. Another resolution, H. Con. Res. 37, sponsored by Condit and Rep. Dana Rohrbacher (R-CA) called for an internationally-supervised plebiscite in Punjab on the question of independence for the region. Dr. Gurmit Singh Aulakh of the Council of Khalistan was involved in these legislations [2].

Dan Burton introduced H.R. 4641 in 1990 to terminates United States developmental assistance for India in regards to "barbaric atrocities were being committed against the Sikh and Kashmiri communities by the India regime" [3].

Support of the Separationist movements:

Several prominent politicians in the West have been supporters of the separationist movements in India. These movements include:

• Khalistan: proposed Sikh nation around state of Punjab, India
• Nagalim: a proposed Christian nation around modern Nagaland
• Kashmir Separationists: (JK Liberation Front etc.) a proposed Muslim nation in modern state of Jammu and Kashmir

Prominent India Bashers:

The major politicians who have been termed "India basher" include the following.

• Edolphus Towns, member of the U.S. House of Representatives, from New York. He has been a supporter of Khalistan and Nagalim. In the US House of Representatives on 26/27 July 2000, a statement by him, John T. Doolittle of California, and Dan Burton of Indiana stated:

"1. India's campaign of terror against minorities is clearly designed to wipe out the minorities. It is time to declare India a terrorist state and it is time to cut off American aid to India to help strengthen the hand of human rights there. And we should support self-determination for all the minority nations seeking their freedom from India. The predominantly Christian nation of Nagalim, which India holds, is about to begin talks with the Indian government of their political status. I hope that these talks w ill be the beginning of freedom not just for the people of Nagalim but for all the minority peoples and nations of South Asia."

"2. Strong action must be taken. We should cut off India's aid until human rights are respected. We should demand self-determination for the people of Khalistan, Kashmir, Nagalim, and the other minority nations under Indian rule in the form of a free and fair plebiscite on the question of independence. That is the way democratic nations do it. Is India the democracy it claims to be or not?" [4]

• Dan Burton, member of the United States House of Representatives from Indiana. He has been a supporter of an independent Kashmir and Khalistan. [5]. On Oct. 7, 1994, he declared in the U.S. House of Representatives [6]recognizing the "seventh anniversary of the declaration of Khalistan":

"On October 7, 1987, 10 years ago today, major Sikh organizations in Punjab and around the world declared the independence of Khalistan--their homeland. I rise today in part to mark this important and solemn day. The fact that this independence movement has persisted for 7 years under the withering oppression of Indian security forces is a tribute to the Sikh people."

"I rise also to recognize the work of the Council of Khalistan, based here in Washington, DC, and supported by Sikh communities across the country. Dr. Gurmit Singh Aulakh, the president of the Council of Khalistan, has worked tirelessly over the last 7 years to bring the suffering of the Sikhs to the attention of the Congress, the administration, and the world community."

• Jesse Helms, former five-term Republican U.S. Senator from North Carolina. About two decades ago, he had circumvented the State Department's refusal of a visa to separatist Khalistan activist Jagjit Singh Chauhan by inviting him to testify before a Senate agriculture committee he headed. [7]

• Lord Avebury is a member of the British House of Lords. He has been an active supporter of the Kashmir separationist movements [8]. He is the founder of "Friends of Kashmir" and is said to control Jammu and Kashmir Liberation Front (JKLF) [9]. In a Sept. 1995 inter view he stated:

"The tendencies in India will follow those in other parts of the world, a centrifugalism, .... I'm thinking of the break-up of the Soviet Union and Yugoslavia."

They have sponsored activities of the anti-India separationist groups by introducing and supporting legislations opposed to India being a unified nation.

Some of them have been accused of having received financial support from Pakistan [10] and separationist groups. [11][12]

The relationship between India and USA have undegone remarkable changes since Clinton's 2000 visit to India [13], and specially after 9/11 attack in 2001. India is no longer an ecomonic basket case, but is now widely regarded as a major economic partner of USA; as well as an ally in the war on terror.

There is now an increased respect for India's democracy. Thomas L. Friedman writes in New York Times (October 9, 2002):

The more time you spend in India the more you realize that this teeming, multiethnic, multireligious, multilingual country is one of the world's great wonders - a miracle with message. And the message is that democracy matters. ... This truth hits you from every corner. ...50 years of Indian democracy and secular education, and 15 years of economic liberalization, produced all this positive energy. [14].

Dan Burton, who visited India in March 2006 [15], appears to have changed [16].

UK, which had long tolerated the Kashmiri Militants (actually Mirpuri) in UK, encoutered a series of bomb attacks in London (21 July 2005 London bombings), the majority of terrorists were of Pakistani/Kashmiri origin. [17]. Impact of this is yet to be seen.

• Indian Tyranny Subject of New Video Hon. Edolphus Towns
• Ethnic Cleansing in Khalistan Hon. Dan Burton
• Lord Avebury: human rights for the Raj

• Clouds over Council of Khalistan and Burton
• Lord Avebury, Terrorist Godfather
• Londonistan (term)

• Congressman Bereuter (R) Heads Asia Pacific Subcommittee, News India-Times, New York, December 19, 1994.

• Congressman Henry Hyde too had an affair The Pioneer, Sep 17 1998.

• "INDIAN ARMY KILLED 35 SIKHS" US CONGRESSMAN"Aziz Haniffa, India Abroad News Service, Apr 13 2000

• KHALISTANI DELEGATION TESTIFIES AT UNITED NATIONS -- HON. DAN BURTON Congressional Record(Extension of Remarks - August 07, 1998), Page: E1596

• Congressional Record, February 01, 2005, Edolphus Towns (p. E127). Also at [18].

• Congressional record, Jan 20, 1993, Dan Burton (p. E111).

• Pakistan Lobbyist's Memo Alleges Shakedown by House Probe Leader, Charles R. Babcock, Washington Post, Wednesday, March 19 1997. [19]

• Edolphus Towns, Council of Khalistan's recent press release, Records of the the House of Representatives of the United States Monday, September 9, 2002[20]

• Democracy matters, Thomas L. Friedman, The New York Times, October 9, 2002.

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Namaskar Vikram! I saw your message to Himanshu in Hindi, which means you can write Hindi on Wikipedia very well. Do want to help at the Hindi Wikipedia? It is the third most spoken language in the world but is only 91st in Wikipedia size rank. Please join. Thank you. Gizza<sup>Chat ©</sup> 23:12, 31 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, The Hindi wikipedia's Insert toolbox has been edited to include many new characters. Please edit and common page at Hindi wiki, just to view the new insertbox. About the स and श with dot below, I shall give a detailed explaination later. And I know that the comments within this toolbox are very nervejarring, but to encourage foreigners, etc, I think the phonetic symbols should be there. Please bear with me for that. Also, I have given a new look to the main page. Thanks, Cygnus_hansa 19:12, 3 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. An editor posted a message in Wikipedia talk:Notice board for India-related topics regarding some edit-wars in the article Khatri. I must clarify that I myself do not know anything about the origin of Khatri. However I found some offensive comments regarding the origin in the article and so - I did not delete - searched for the verifiability of those comments. I found out that the slokas quoted from Manu Smriti were really there in a translated version of the book, available in the web . this link will take you to the book, see chapter 10. So I supplied reference to the offensive comments and later, modidied the tone. However, IMO these comments should not be deleted as they are well referenced. Please try to cite some other source that substantiate the other view of origin strongly. (In fact I supplied some reference that support the popular view). I saw that those comments were deleted not by you, but by some anons. But you "restored proper version", that's why I write this to you. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 05:50, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, now I understand. There is some discrepancies in the translation. However, the thing becomes even more critical! In that case, you can revert the changes I made in the origin. Even better will be a mention of the translation controversy. You can tell that while the translated Manu Smriti indicated that "Kshattri" are born "in the inverse order of the castes" etc, there is dispute regarding the translation as the original word is "क्षत्ता" that does not translate into khatri. You can cite the shloka in Sanskrit. In that case, anyone who will be trying to make some offensive comment can be stopped. As you are in possesion of the original sanskrit version and are quite knowledgable in this regard, I feel this editwar can be ended with this compromise. This will be beneficial for the article. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 06:31, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Please read this note. Regards, ImpuMozhi 03:08, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I deleted the article because it appeared to be original research. —tregoweth (talk) 18:14, 10 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• On second thought, since you probably know more about Bollywood musicals than me, I've restored the article. —tregoweth (talk) 18:21, 10 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. I have created a new category called Category:Khatri clans. In this I have included clans on whom pages have already been made by yourself and I S Kapoor. These include Bedi, Dumra, Kapoor, Khullar and Mehra. Next time when you create a page on a clan, please add this category as well. Thanks. Rajatjghai 22:11, 23 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. I am asking your opinion on this festering dispute that has developed between myself and Satbir Singh since the past few days.

The facts of the matter are like this:

I created a template called Castes and Tribes of the Punjab with a view to studying the caste and tribal groups that exist in what was the ancient Punjab region (Punjab (Pakistan), Punjab (India), Haryana and Himachal Pradesh). My intention, unlike any Ibbetsons, Todds or Cunninghams was to study these groups from a purely anthropological perspective sans any controversy so that people visiting this portal would get to know about the huge mosaic that my province (I am a Punjabi) is.

I started with a few groups. But soon enough the groups began to increase. For the sake of brevity, I grouped them under Categories. As the template evolved, I learnt not to name any category speculatively.

The final categories were:

Brahmin groups. Dalit groups. Jat clans. Khatris and other groups. Rajput clans. Shaikhs and other groups. Tarkhans and other groups. Others (groups to which i could not attribute any specific status). In the last (Others), I also included groups such as Kamboj, Khasa, Ahir and Gujjar. However, Satbir Singh separated them and bunched them under a new category called "Surviving Ancient Kshatriya Tribes".

Since that day, a revert war has been on between the two of us. According to Satbir, these groups such as the Ahirs (the ancient Abhiras), the Gujjars (Gurjaras), the Khas (the Khasas), the Kamboj (Kambojas) and Yadav (Yadavas) are ancient Kshatriya tribes mentioned in a number of ancient Sanskrit texts.

My own personal opinion is that all this is true. However, some points must be noted:

The Varna System is a topic subject to a lot of controversy and dispute. I have been noticing this in recent weeks. Pages such as Khatri, Rajput, Kayastha and Bhumihar have been vandalised because many people don't agree with the Varna status of these groups. If the Ahirs, the Gujjars, the Khasaa, the Kambojas and the Yadavas are Kshatriya groups, then so are the Rajputs, Jats, Khatris, Tarkhans et al. I did not create a category entitled "Kshatriya groups" in the first place because I knew I was treading on soft ground. All the above mentioned castes claim Kshatriya status. But we all know, how disputable these claims are. The rigmarole that is the Varna System is known to us all. For example, the Jats, who in the Vedic and Mythological periods were workers should be placed in the Shudra Category under the Varna System. But many Jats clans consider themselves the equal and perhaps the superior of Rajputs as adhrents of Kshatriya Dharma. My own caste, the Khatris and related groups such as Aroras claim Kshatriya status. But we have seen on the Khatri page as to what became of that claim. Ahirs, Gujjars and Yadavs are considered to be OBCs in most Indian states inspite of their being the descendants of ancient Abhiras, Gurjaras and Yadus. There is a controversy raging on the Yadav page presently if I am not wrong, on the status of the caste. Taking all these points into consideration and being aware of the fact that there are users (say Sanjay Mohan and Holywarrior, who have caused great disputes on various caste pages, I proposed categories such as "Kambojs and related groups" (Kamboj, Kamboja, Kamboh and Khasa) and "Gujjars and realted groups" (Ahirs, Gujjars, Dhangars and Bakarwals). But Satbir Singh and another user named Sze cavalry01 objected to it. They returned to "Ancient Kshatriya Tribes". I did a little compromise by making it "Ancient Warrior Tribes", which I later realised would also be POV. Therefore, I changed it to just "Ancient Tribes" - A completely unspeculative term.

However, Satbir Singh does not agree. He calls it a "gross suppression of known historical facts", "a crime against history" and "a political agenda" and has termed me a "Vandal". I have put forward my points. But both of us are yet to agree.

I have fighting a revert war with him for almost a week now. Have a look at the template's history page and Satbir Singh's talk page to get a complete idea of the whole fracas.

This fight has become downright silly. I surely don't expect myself to spend my time, money and energy on such a silly matter. And I am sure neither does the other party.

As of now, Administrator Shresth has protected the page on my request. He has also asked that the dispute be discussed on the talk page of the template and a consensus be reached. Yourself and anybody else you know who has an interest in the Punjab, please come and express your opinion on the talk page.

Regards.Rajatjghai 05:16, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi,

I think you didn't go through the nom in detail. I have nominated the article on a non-notable (IMO) forum for deletion, and not the article on reservations. The articles on reservation, (Reservation in India and 2006 Indian anti-reservation protests) are not the topic of discussion and they will remain in Wikipedia. Regards, — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 07:31, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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--D-Boy 04:05, 26 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Vikram. As you probably know, Federation of Tamil Sangams of North America is protected due to the recent edit war; the protection will remain until the dispute has been resolved. I'm trying to get feedback around a potential substantial revision, located at User:Anirvan/Federation of Tamil Sangams of North America. That particular edit seems to have consensus from both Bakaman and Borntorebel, but I'd like to get the broadest consensus possible before moving ahead with it.

I'd really appreciate it if you could look at User:Anirvan/Federation of Tamil Sangams of North America, and leave any feedback at Talk:Federation of Tamil Sangams of North America.

I know you're interested in FeTNA's position on the ethnic conflict in Sri Lanka, and I'd particularly appreciate your help researching that. As part of the suggested revision, I've been trying to track down every single FeTNA statement/letter about the conflict in Sri Lanka, and have been summarizing and linking to each one. I'd appreciate it if you could help track down any additional FeTNA statements, particularly any pre-1994, as well as 1996-2004.

Thanks! Have a good weekend.

- Anirvan 22:52, 11 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for clarifying things on said articles talk page. I am an Iyer and my sangam thankfully is not affiliated with FeTna. I like the use of logic in your arguments.Bakaman <sub>Bakatalk</sub> 23:40, 13 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If you looked at the Muslimstan or Mughalstan link, you would see the proof for my assertions no matter how POV it looks when viewed.Bakaman <sub>Bakatalk</sub> 01:15, 17 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Actually the .org is not opening now. but when i removed the para, it was opening. .com is opening, but i think there is no connection to .org for it.nids 04:07, 19 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Just out of intwerest, it doesn't seem like nonsense to me - I don't know anything about any of this, but it at least makes grammatical sense, so isn't complete nonsense - what about it is so wrong? HawkerTyphoon 11:03, 17 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I apologise profusely - I had no idea that the word meant that, I simply assumed good faith and that it was a family name, or the like. Be assured that any further edits I make to this page will be back to one of your original edits. go to WP:AIV and report them both on the 'long term vandalism' page, thatll sort them out. HawkerTyphoon 01:41, 19 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The Mughalstan link is very colorful (provides links to other extremeist web sites). Do you think we should create new articles for all the "dalitstans" (meaning Mughalstan, Dravvidstan, etc.)? (I would prefer if you reply on my talk page)Bakaman <sub>Bakatalk</sub> 01:58, 19 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I was thinking of making an Islamestan article to highlight Dalitstan's agenda. The links for Islamestan (and sister buddy Mughalstan) are very disturbing [21]. It has links to "the Islamization of the US" and links to Lashkar-e-Toiba.Bakaman <sub>Bakatalk</sub> 02:07, 19 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Argh, sorry again - I'm removing edit by IP addresses. Perhaps you could get the page semi-protected? HawkerTyphoon 21:56, 23 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Vikram. Would you mind replying to my questions over at Talk:Federation of Tamil Sangams of North America, and/or describing the rationale for some of your edits? Thanks. Have a good weekend. Anirvan 09:04, 27 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Anirvan,

I am sorry I did not respond to your questions earlier.

Why you're conflating support for the Tamil side in the Sri Lankan ethnic conflict with support for the LTTE. Is it your opinion that there does not exist any Tamil anti-Sinhalese / anti-Government-of-Sri-Lanka positions outside the LTTE?

There have been (although LTTE has been successful in largely eliminating them) other Sri Lankan Tamil groups, who have fought for the rignts of the Tamils there. However FeTNA has been associated with LTTE. FeTNA has never been critical of LTTE's murders of Sri Lankan Tamils opposed to LTTE.

Do you have evidence that FeTNA supports the LTTE to the exclusion of the larger Tamil Sri Lankan movement?

Yes, you too have seen that now.

Why your edits are focused on trying to selectively describe the Ilankai Sangam in the body of the FeTNA article? Why not describe the Ilankai Sangam in their own article?

Ilankai Sangam was the first of the Tamil Sangams in North America, and its history is essential for tracing the history of FeTNA. Perhaps there should be a separate article on Ilankai Sangam too. Can you start that?

Why you're so attached to the paragraph-length description of the February 2006 FeTNA textbook press release, which is longer than the entire rest of the textbook section, and almost three times as long as the entire descripton of FeTNA's position on the issue.

FeTNA's role in the California Textbook controversy was quite significant. Its perspective needs to discussed in detail.

Let me ask you:

1. What is your guess about how LTTE raised its funds?
2. Why did you think FeTNA is not a front for LTTE?
3. Just curious, what motivated you to defend FeTNA?

--Vikramsingh 23:11, 28 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Would you mind posting this on the talk page? Anirvan 00:45, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

These three are frequent vandals:

• User:IPKapoor inserts "The Khatris are an Asura community"
• User:SanjayMohan: inserts "Punjabi Khatris are a community of the Asuras"
• User:MSKhanna inserts "The Khatris are Sudra community" or "The Khatris are a despised community"

I have had all of these people blocked, and the page locked so that only registered users can edit it. Out of interest - I am curious, and have a few questions for you, which I hope you don't mind answerring, if they aren't insulting (they aren't meant to be!)...

1. Asura is a curse erm, meaning demon, yes?
2. What does 'Sudra' mean? Is it a curse word also?
3. Why is redirecting to Kshatriya (or something like that, I can't remember the spelling) - Why is that bad?

I hope you can answer my questions, i'm a curious Englishman! HawkerTyphoon 13:36, 5 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You have made valuable contributions to Dalitstan and the like. Could you help out on Udit Raj ? Its being taken over by a user who is vandalizing the page.Bakaman <sub>Bakatalk</sub> 02:47, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Will you please stop repeatedly undoing other people's edits to the Udit Raj page? You have already reverted the page 3 times. Prior to my edit, the page was not so much an "Udit Raj" page as an "accusations against Udit Raj by various fringe groups" page. If we start listing "accusations" against people on every Wiki page, things will get very tiresome. So chill it, and stop undoing people's edits all the time.

That Muggle guy started a mediation cabal POV-izing the Udit Raj stuff on Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-10-10 Udit Raj.Please contribute your side to the page unless mediators get the wrong idea.Hkelkar 10:48, 10 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

A tendentious user User:TerryJ-Ho has put up anti-Hindu for deletion. Since you created the article long ago I request your opinion on the AfD.

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anti-Hindu

Hkelkar 01:19, 14 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Vikramsingh please do not edit undo this post which I have made , it is a verbatim quote and I have provided the exact page as well from where this quote is taken . The quote needn’t be taken as gospel truth ...as are millions of other quotes on wikipedia from other books of Historical significance, however they provide information which you are free to dispute .Its taken me some effort to put this information together .

Its important that you do not edit shorten this quote because then the complete import of the quote will be lost.

Let me also take this opportunity to compliment your posts which Ienjoy reading otherwise on common pages that we post on . Cheers Intothefire 18:10, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think you may have misread the diffs. I personally did not intentionally add Bawanghar. You may add your version BUT be sure to source them otherwise I am obligated to delete your edits. Thankyou. dishant 07:03, 25 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No, don't worry, I have nothing against you or Khatris. I am sure that Khatris and Aroras had almost identical backgrounds and are basically the same caste. Indeed, the Arora article says "Aroras...like their Khatri brethren, have also prospered because of strong work ethic," and talks more about Arora-Khatri links. What I do not support is IP User 81.149.27.200 making mincemeat of facts and history, all coming together to assert Khatri superiority and to say that Aroras were always Vaishya caste. ie. these types of edits. About religion, Khatris are not Muslims, but many Khatris converted to Islam to become Punjabi Shaikhs and that needs mention. Similarly, the Arora article states that many Aroras converted to Islam became Khoja Shaikhs. Also, ideas that clans like Malhotra originated from demi-gods like Yudhistira (who incidentally had no children by the end of the Mahabharata) are completely flawed and cannot be allowed to stand. I have no doubt you are knowledgeable on the topic, but as per Wikipedia:Reliable sources, Wikipedia:Verifiability and [[Wikipedia:Citing sources}}, I am obliged to put <sup>[citation needed]</sup> tags wherever things are not sourced. That is, don't you agree, better than deleting all unsourced material which is what I should be doing? I do not consider Aroras and Khatris to be adversaries, but I'm just making some edits based on observations and a long-standing edit war with an IP user who has a superiority complex. Regards. dishant 00:47, 27 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You seem to be one of the more mature users on Talk:Khatri, but the users who I have problems with are those who wish to delete mention of Aroras and even remove George Bush from a picture just because he isn't Khatri. It seems trivial and childish to suggest such things. dishant 00:53, 27 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Always enjoy your constructive posts . However you have made an incorrect deletion .
yes Nairs are Malyalee
. However there are also Punjabi Nayar .This is a Khatri clan from the Punjab .
For example the journalist Kuldeep Nayar .
Music director O P Nayyar who is now no more
It is the same with Mira Nayar
Aalso same with Arun Nayar now husband of Liz Hurley .

Please restore this deletion made on any articles .

I also agree with your contention of Aroras being Khatris , shall post on this subject somday . CheersIntothefire 07:39, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, that was my fault, Vikram simply educated me on the tuth. dishant 07:51, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Vikram Singhji, please check out the talk page of the article. Thanks.Kanchanamala 04:34, 30 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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I though I must congratulate you on your efforts to give the article on Zakir Naik a proper un-biased view. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sherlock holmes 666 (talk • contribs) 07:53, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi Vikram,

Please source the material that you can on this article. The rest of it will mostly be removed. It looks as though at least some of this is copied from an offline essay - that part will definitely have to be removed, as a copyright violation. I wouldn't want to see the article deleted for that reason. Avruch 01:38, 30 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

hi, I am with you people for contributing in "Orissa communal violence" and will follow you against the opponent people's work here

Please do one favour the same persons who are removing your words from the "Orissa communal violence" are removing my words from "arundhati_roy" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arundhati_Roy and "sanddep_pandey" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandeep_Pandey who are giving frequently Anti india , pro pakistani and pro terrorists statements and statements favoring kashmiri Separatists in public.This is tarnishing over country's image in the world Please help me out. you are free to take my help in any such issues. Raulmisir (talk) 21:11, 6 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I felt the Orissa article to be too pro-Christianity. Too many, or rather all pro-links. I did some rash editing which was all immediately undone. Jobxavier (talk) 14:36, 10 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, would you mind going back to this article and revising the first sentence to explain what Madrasatul Islah is? It may be apparent from the name to someone who speaks the local language, but not to the rest of us! Thanks. —Largo Plazo (talk) 03:00, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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• I was about to remove the speedy deletion tag from Bombay Vikings after you added evidence of notability but you'd done it already. You shouldn't, really - there's a rule against editors removing speedy tags from their own articles. It doesn't matter, anyway. Have a nice day. :) andy (talk) 23:26, 28 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi fellow editor please note that your contributions to this article have been reverted. Please join the discussion as to why your edits should be included. Thanks --Sikh-History 10:19, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Vikram, can you look up census data from 1900 reports to get it?--ISKapoor (talk) 01:34, 31 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello can someone create a page for Hindu Punjabi's !!!!!!!!!!!!! MSG ME !!!!!!!!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dkhera (talk • contribs) 06:26, 11 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Recent activities of User:Ragib is quite spooky. Any hint?--Moonhacker (talk) 11:35, 30 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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