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The article Yu Wensheng has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
Simply does not pass WP:GNG, case of WP:BIO1E. Would have redirected to the article on the protests, except he's not even mentioned there.
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- @Onel5969: Thanks for making the notice. I have expanded the article significantly since, and I think it meets WP:GNG and WP:BIO1E now. Welcome to take a look and your suggestions are always appreciated. Best, Thomas Meng (talk) 03:49, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
Ways to improve Yu Wensheng
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- @Rosguill: Thank you very much for your suggestions. I have included the two sources you provided and have significantly improved the neutrality of the article. Welcome to have a look! Thanks again, Thomas Meng (talk) 03:45, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
Ngo's congressional testimony
You restored this text to the Andy Ngo article.[[3]] There is a related discussion here[[4]]. Springee (talk) 04:02, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
- Hi Springee, thanks for letting me know. Sorry I've been busy with schoolwork for the past few weeks and haven't had time to participate. I will take a more thorough look at this issue and drop my comment/edit where appropriate.
- Thanks, Thomas Meng (talk) 22:34, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
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The article Ni Yulan you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Ni Yulan for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already appeared on the main page as a "Did you know" item, or as a bold link under "In the News" or in the "On This Day" prose section, you can nominate it within the next seven days to appear in DYK. Bolded names with dates listed at the bottom of the "On This Day" column do not affect DYK eligibility. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Aussie Article Writer -- Aussie Article Writer (talk) 01:22, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
The Women in Green wikiproject would like to add Ni Yulan to the listed GA articles here. Would you be alright with this? - Aussie Article Writer (talk) 10:29, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
- @Aussie Article Writer: Yeah for sure! Thanks for letting me know :) Thomas Meng (talk) 12:34, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks! - Aussie Article Writer (talk) 12:42, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
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- Thank you for notifying Maile66 :) Thomas Meng (talk) 03:05, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
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- @Mhawk10: Happy Chinese new year to you as well! 🐯 Thomas Meng (talk) 03:46, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
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- Hi @Slywriter: thanks for taking the time to review Draft:Pytest. I've read your comment and want to know more about the specific ways of improvement. Since pytest is the most popular testing framework in Python, I do think it's worth creating a Wikipedia aritcle for. Currently there are five independent sources cited: two published books, one article from the developers at DropBox, one from Real Python, another from Python Insight. The other two are primary sources from the pytest official documentation.
- There are more independent sources that cover pytest. But I want to know exatly which direction I should make the article go before I proceed. Could you be a little more specific? (same comment at your talk page; please reply at whichever place that's more convenient for you)Thomas Meng (talk) 03:00, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
- Looking for a book/article that isn't a quick start guide. Anything that looks like a reliable source wrote about pytest without personal gain from writing about it. Dropbox isn't quite a reliable source, at least for notability. Python Insight and Real Python look to be blogs, so also not ideal for Wikipedia notability.
- I took a second look and what jumps at me is that its clearly notable in the Python community, but less clear that it has notability as wikipedia states it. I do think its extremely close to the line and another independent source or two would put it over. Hope that makes senseSlywriter (talk) 03:51, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
- @Slywriter: Thank you for explaining. I just added two more sources along with some more content on pytest's notable features. Thomas Meng (talk) 03:17, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
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- @BlueMoonset: Thanks for the notice. The article is in the process of being improved based on latest suggestions given on the nomination page. More improvments will come shortly, and when everything's ready, I'll reply back on that page. Thomas Meng (talk) 01:32, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
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Ok here is the correct template. Apologies for the mess-up. Simonm223 (talk) 21:41, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
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B. WP:REVEXP suggests to properly discuss causes for revisions or disputes with edit content in the Talk page; per experience, it is generally considered good practice to notify the original editor that a dispute with their content is warranted. I have yet to see an editor mass/spam-cite unspecific policy in the edit summary as a basis for a revert.
C. The policies you cite, by the nature of your conduct, are difficult to connect to the edit specified. However, it is challenging at first glance to observe how any of them, save potentially for "taking opinion article as fact" relate to the content of the article.
D. It appears to me that you are an active contributor to pages relating to Human rights in China. I commend you for your effort, but must remind you that content that may be contrary to your personal political views does not automatically provide grounds to delete them, especially when cited.
E. Potential errors in citing allow room for discussion and the potential addition of different sources. Your removal of eight separate sources, each of them published by fairly reputable outlets, is inconsistent with the general principle of improving Wikipedia instead of working unconstructively and destructively against NPOV statements that you may disagree with.
F. It is consistent with NPOV policy to observe that a particular organization has been the subject of critique. The volume of reasonably reputable sources cited is sufficient to demonstrate a prima facie case for relevance and inclusion.
G. It may do you service to review the policies you have cited. G(1). WP:NOR "means material—such as facts, allegations, and ideas—for which no reliable, published source exists". This is obviously inconsistent with the number and quality of published sources cited. G(2). Relating to (E) and WP:NPOV, WP:BALANCE suggests that when "reputable sources contradict one another and are relatively equal in prominence, describe both points of view and work for balance" - this is what is performed in the article given the conflicting nature of reliable sources. G(3). WP:UNDUE *expressly* notes that "[n]eutrality requires that mainspace articles and pages fairly represent all significant viewpoints that have been published by reliable sources". This runs contrary to your behavior noted in the reversion of the edit. The sources themselves are broadly reliable. See (H).
H. Given the broadly reliable nature of the sources, and the appropriate citing of them within the context of the relevant content in the body of the article, it is more appropriate to challenge individual citations instead of the entire edit, which also includes numerous additions to the templates used in the article, especially relevant ones given the pamphlet-like reading of the latter half of the article.
I. If you have qualms with the *quality* of a source, you are welcome to find a better source (of which there are many) that corroborate the argument. Your personal disagreement with the content of the edit does not grant you license to remove well-cited content from the article.
I welcome discussion and input to the content of the article. This may take place on the talkspace, where it is generally considered good practice to ping relevant editors when the discussions take place. Before then, I hope you continue to maintain an impartial perspective on article content and are capable of separating content/citation disputes from your personal political views. Augend (drop a line) 05:50, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hi @Augend: I appreciate you taking the time to post such a long message for me. From what I understood, your main points are that your edit was sufficiently cited and that WP:NOR doesn't apply, and that I should address individual citations rather than reverting your entire edit. To address your concerns, I'll explain each part of your edit and how it violates to WP:NOR and WP:NPOV.
- You added "The Falun Gong has also received substantial criticism and heavy scrutiny by observers for its
- "[...] extreme founder veneration" and cited Adam Frank's book chapter to justify. The cited work does not appear to support the claim. It says (p.256):
This shows that even among Falun Gong practitioners, opinions differ on founder veneration, and Li himself discourages that.Even before the crackdown, differing degrees of commitment to Li Hongzhi and the manner in which followers publicly demonstrated that commitment sometimes prompted disagreement. Judy, for example, criticized those who worshiped Li Hongzhi too zealously, noting “Master Li said ‘treat me as a human.’” Freddy agreed, pointing out that far from seeking worshipers, Li admonished followers to not “get caught up in the images. Don’t fall into attachments"
- "[...] use of psychological abuse against adherents". You cited a New Yorker article and an opinion piece to justify. But nowhere does the New Yorker article say it uses psychological abuse against adherents, and the opinion article cannot be stated as fact. In fact, one of your other references, SF Chronicle, says that
journalists and researchers who have written about the movement say it has no record of using abuse or coercion.
- "[...] use of guilt and emotional warfare to secure donations from followers". You cited an SF Chronicle article and an article by David Silverman (activist) (activist for atheism, neither scholar nor journalist). But neither source justifies the added claim. While the SF Chronicle noted that FG practitioners volunteer their time to promote Shen Yun, it did not say that they donate money; it implied that advertising costs came from ticket sales revenue, as confirmed by Andrew Junker in his Cambridge University Press book:
local practitioners pay for the venue and promotion costs and sell the tickets. After expenses are covered through ticket sales, proceeds go to Shen Yun
- "[...] influence operations to secure United States government contracts, thereby increasing its revenue using US federal funds." You cited a WaPo that says the U.S. government gave funding to firewall circumvention tools developed by Falun Gong practitioners. The article mentioned Hudson Institute fellow Michael Horowitz advocating for Global Internet Freedom Consortium (GIFC) to receive funding, but it did not say that Horowitz was a Falun Gong practitioner. The article does not support the broad claim that "Falun Gong used influence operations to secure government contracts". Also, the funding was provided to GIFC, not to Falun Gong per se.
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- You changed "Falun Gong experiences repression in China" to "Falun Gong has been notable in receiving substantial government scrutiny in China", but sources overwhelmingly describe the treatment of Falun Gong practitioners in China as persecution or repression. We can't call well-documented torture and school expulsion due to one's peaceful belief in Falun Gong "government scrutiny". (Source: last article in this series https://www.pulitzer.org/winners/ian-johnson)
- You changed "[Falun Gong] criticizes the purportedly self-imposed limits of modern science" to "whilst denying the truthfulness of science". But criticizing science's limitations is not the same as denying its truthfulness.
- You added "involvement with political information operations and disinformation campaigns in the United States and Europe." You cited two media articles about The Epoch Times. The newspaper does not represent Falun Gong, and these two articles did not generalize ET's coverage to the entire Falun Gong community, whose vast majority of practitioners are in China and have no connections with ET.
- You inserted a COI tag without explanation, but template policy says that
Like the other neutrality-related tags, if you place this tag, you should promptly start a discussion on the article's talk page to explain what is non-neutral about the article. If you do not start a discussion, any editor will be justified in removing the tag without warning.
- I hope that the above addressed your concerns. Thomas Meng (talk) 02:06, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for taking the time to respond. I have in large part responded to some of the counterclaims on the article talk. For convenience in communications let us use that forum instead. Please note that I am traveling and it is not convenient for me to host content discussions at length. We may disagree on wording or specific approaches but I trust you will exercise good faith given the sources brought forth. These sources are in large part reliable and identify substantial concerns that appear widespread about this movement and the beliefs they exercise. I believe they are eligible for inclusion instead of outright excision.Augend (drop a line) 07:46, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
Good article reassessment for Ni Yulan
Ni Yulan has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Augend (drop a line) 06:20, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
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