Hola Darren.

(I'll write in English just in case).

Now Asistencia Asesoria y Administracion redirects to Asistencía Asesoria y Administración. Actually, it should redirect to Asistencia Asesoría y Administración. I would move Asistencía Asesoria y Administración to Asistencia Asesoría y Administración myself, but I'm new to the English Wikipedia and can't do it.

Araña de níquel 03:18, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Article duly moved. –Hajor 03:37, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I had a feeling I had that wrong, thanks for the heads up--Darren Jowalsen 22:18, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Hello Darren!

I totally agree with you that there was no Héctor Garza, Sr. I only listed him as Jr. on the List of WCW stars because that is how they billed him when he wrestled there. I made that page with the intention that the names that they were billed under while working for WCW were the names I filed them under. I don't know why they billed him as Junior...in fact I wondered each time he came out because I knew there was no Senior. But that was the way WCW did things. I did not get the impression that they cared too much about how they booked the luchadores or if they had their names wrong.

I just wanted to explain why I have it listed as Junior. I know it should not have been but the higher-ups in WCW chose to call him that.

I also wanted to say that you are doing a great job with the wrestling articles that you have edited. Thanks! --W(t) 15:50, 2005 Jun 13 (US ET)

That is really strange, it would be hard to argue logic with the WCW big wigs. WCW is your expertise so I'll trust you. I'll make note of this in the Héctor

Garza article.--Darren Jowalsen 20:36, Jun 13, 2005 (UTC)

Hi Darren Jowalsen it's Moe Epsilon. Read your comment. Dont get me wrong it is copying and pasting but it takes a hell of a long time to create these. I thought about your suggestion but I would rather than just make a link, make an article. — Moe ε 20:08, 22 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Guess this is my little section, lol, I must have deleted it by mistake, Thanks for telling me! — Moe ε 18:51, 24 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Darren! I noticed that you changed alot of wrestlers' pages back to their stage names. That is totally OK by me but I also noticed that you forgot to change their name in the category listings. An example of what this does is if I was to go to the Professional wrestlers category and look for Bob Armstrong (which is what I would normally do but most other users on Wikipedia in the wrestling world seem to want me to look him up as Joseph James-I am still confused about that!), I cannot find him under the A names because he is still listed in the category as Joseph James. If I go to the J names, he is listed as Bob Armstrong but is filed under the name on his profile under the categories. I will attempt to correct these but I don't know when I will have the time since there are so many. I really wish that every user in the wrestling realm of Wikipedia would agree on guidelines for this and stick to it. It would be so much easier! Again, I agree that we should use the best known name, but I think we are the minority and I decided to attempt to make every article use the same guidelines that I was told to use or I would not have changed anything. I think you do a good job on your articles and I hope you continue to create more! Thanks! --phatcat68 11:16, 8 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The logic behind changing the article names on pro wrestling performers to their stage names is flawed in most cases. Most wrestlers are listed under their real names in IMDB, and now have Screen Actors Guild membership under their real names. In selective cases (such as Stone Cold Steve Austin or The Rock) it is somewhat appropriate, since those stage names have been used outside of wrestling and/or those individuals have been credited in non-wrestling productions under those names. Hulk Hogan and Jesse Ventura have also gained public notoriety under their stage names. However, the vast majority of wrestling biographies here are listed under the performer's real name, and there is no valid justification to change them. Chadbryant 23:05, 29 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The style guide says use the most common name. When someone is always referred as Shane Douglas, putting their article under Troy Martin is pointless and flawed as well. It's a case of playing it by ear, rather than with cold rules. There are also the problem of sometimes dubious sources for real names. So unless they are a relatively new wrestler who may change his name or there is disambiguation involved, stage names should be used. Just because professional wrestlers don't get Oscars or are as respected as actors or musicians, doesn't mean they needed to be treated lower than them. Natalie Portman and Woody Allen achieve fame with those names, so their articles are under those names. Wrestlers are no different. Bobo Brazil was famous as Bobo Brazil but just because he's a wrestler, he shouldn't have an article under the name he was known for?--Darren Jowalsen 00:07, August 30, 2005 (UTC)

The fact is 98% of all wrestlers names are stage names. Only 'smarks' throw around wrestlers real names to try and create the illusion they are 'in the know'. The vast majority of the wrestling fanbase has NO idea, and probably doesnt care about, a wrestlers real name. Those are the people who, for the most part, would come to Wiki to look up information. TruthCrusader

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It should stay José Alvarado-Nieves because it looks like, to me, that Alvarado-Nieves is his full last name. If it's his name, it should be that way. I don't think it would hurt anything by keeping it there. — Moe ε 19:52, 26 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, since you put it that way, my vote would be for José Alvardo Nieves. Do you want to move the page or should I? — Moe ε 22:02, 26 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry about that. I had never heard of either wrestler, and the fact that both links were red lead me to believe that they were not-notable American independent wrestlers. I didn't really consider that they might be prominent Mexican wrestlers, about whom, admittedly, my knowledge is limited. McPhail 12:29, 31 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Let's create a Wikipedia page for this wonderful forum.

Who is this?--Darren Jowalsen 21:35, 12 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello, I'm a features writer with the San Antonio Express-News and I'm working on a story about local Wikipedians, who they are, how long they've contributed, their area(s) of interest, and their thoughts on the recent Wikipedia scandals. Please contact me as soon as possible via email at jtavitas@express-news.net or phone (210) 250-3420. If you're not interested, please do me the courtesy and let me know so I won't pester you further. Kindest regards, Jeanie Tavitas-Williams Features Reporter San Antonio Express-News 210.250.3420 800.555.1551 ext. 3420 jtavitas@express-news.net JT Williams 18:33, 13 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Nice little piece in the San Antonio Express-News. Wikipedia always appreciates good publicity. Thanks for your effort in spreading the word about WP. Cheers. --LV ^{(Dark Mark)} 18:47, 3 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not saying that listing a real name of a wrestler is a must, but I don't really see why not. This is a dictionary, and I certainly don't think we should hide a persons name just because they choose to wrestler under a mask, even if they're Mexican. B.J. Whitmer does request that his real name isn't listed anywhere, and I don't see a reason to not follow that.

If you wish to have an "official" policy, then bring up a discussion on the project talk and let's have a vote, but don't go around saying there's a tradition to hide information when the tradition, atleast to my knowledge, has been to list real names if they are publicly known.
↪Lakes (Talk) 19:08, 15 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Like I said, open a discussion in the project page so the whole project can discuss and possibly vote on a real name guideline.

↪Lakes (Talk) 20:56, 15 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Darren, The naming issue, among other things, is why I've proposed building a separate site using the same wiki technology totally dedicated to professional wrestling. You can find it in my profile. Keep working hard!! Smashmania April 25, 2006 14:32 (EST)

Me and the soon to be departing (hopefully not) Moe Epsilon are setting up a project to deal with the music of this great business. It will be Wikipedia:WikiProject Music of wrestling. Join if you are remotely interested - every little helps! Thanks. Kingfisherswift 17:03, 29 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Are you saying that his birth name was in fact "David Boy Smith"? I had assumed that "Boy" was a nickname. McPhail 21:57, 26 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That is what Meltzer said in his book. Meltzer is on good terms with the Hart family so if he had any doubt, he could get it checked by Bret or Ross. --Darren Jowalsen 22:51, 26 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ok then. McPhail 23:27, 26 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Spelling fixed :P --Dubhagan 22:49, 29 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Darren, you've got to help me get my forum back. JDSTORM 02:52, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

In response to your request on my user page. The trainer I spoke of was one of his early wrestling trainers, I'll have to dig up the info on that, but I remember reading him saying that measured Andre at a legite 7'1" in his younger years. Andre did lose drastic height as he aged and put on weight.

Here is a pic of Andre next to Wilt Chamberlain: http://img134.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc73&image=35402_andrewiltarnold4zr_measured.jpg (with Arnold in there as a good measuring stick).

And the untouched version: http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/1474/andrewiltarnold4zr.jpg

I'm sorry, but Andre's listing height of ~6'10" as far as I am concerned is only applicable to perhaps the very last years of his life. TheSentinel 17:18, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hiya DJ, there are some troublemakers on the Andre page, messing aboot with his height, could you take a look please?(Halbared 07:44, 4 September 2006 (UTC))[reply]

Darren, you seem to know your lucha libre. Have you helped out at all at thecubsfan's luchawiki?--70.181.59.230 03:37, 7 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have made a few little edits over there but I guess I'm a little intimidated by guys like Robert, who knows FAR more than I do.--Darren Jowalsen 02:18, 8 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, it's worth saying that for every cubsfan, Robert, or Bix, there's plenty of contributers that aren't necessarily as well-versed in lucha...like me, for instance (I'm DanZero over there & at the DVDVR board)--70.181.59.230 15:52, 27 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Just as an FYI, I just created an account, so if you had any more questions about luchawiki or whatever you can, I guess, hit me back on my talk page? I'm sure you're more adept at this than I am.--DanZero 17:11, 28 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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