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	The Writer's Barnstar
	For making so many biographical articles! Kj cheetham (talk) 12:07, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

	The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
	Thanks for your efforts expanding articles on women in science/academia, great work and very much needed! You might want to consider nominating some of your articles for Wikipedia:Did you know, this would allow them to appear on the front page and have increased visibility - you can do this here. Ivar the Boneful (talk) 16:23, 2 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Aw, thanks! @Ivar the Boneful:. I will consider Wikipedia:Did you know as a way to increase visibility. Some of these women are remarkable.--DaffodilOcean (talk) 17:25, 2 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

On 15 January 2022, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Gertrude Webster, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that a cactus (pictured) is named after Gertrude Webster, who helped found the Desert Botanical Garden in Arizona? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Gertrude Webster. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Gertrude Webster), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:02, 15 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Great work! You inspired me to create an article for Echinocereus websterianus too!! CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 22:51, 15 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

What fun CaptainEek. I am glad to have provided the inspiration. DaffodilOcean (talk) 22:56, 15 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

	The Original Barnstar
	Thank you for your efforts to rescue abandoned drafts! S0091 (talk) 19:42, 15 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

S0091 - Thanks for the recognition. I am enjoying going through these pages. There are plenty of notable people in there, with varying degrees of work needed to get the pages ready for the mainspace. DaffodilOcean (talk) 20:19, 15 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You should consider becoming an AfC reviewer at some point so you can catch some of them before they are abandoned. I know having a COI is tricky but I know we have at least one other reviewer with a COI and as long as you do not accept your drafts, it is likely fine. Although, not all drafts are submitted which is worrisome. Also, you might want to reach out to DGG for some tips/tricks in finding drafts as he also trudges through abandoned drafts and has a focus on academics. Regardless, you do great work for Wikipedia. S0091 (talk) 21:31, 15 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Jasmin Graham, which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created.

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	The Barnstar of Diligence
	Thanks for working on Elaine_Nicholson and getting it published to mainspace. Luke Nelson 22:32, 10 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Bogger (talk) 08:19, 19 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

On 5 June 2022, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Dorothy Binney Palmer, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Dorothy Binney Palmer built two houses that are on the United States' National Register of Historic Places? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Dorothy Binney Palmer. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Dorothy Binney Palmer), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

— Maile (talk) 00:02, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

On 7 July 2022, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Chris Ernst, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Chris Ernst stripped naked in 1976 with her Yale University teammates to protest the lack of showers for the women's rowing crew? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Christine Ernst. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Chris Ernst), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

— Maile (talk) 00:02, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

		Hook update
		Your hook reached 23,969 views (998.7 per hour), making it one of the most viewed hooks of July 2022 – nice work!

theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 19:31, 8 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

On 15 July 2022, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Ann Klein, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Ann Klein supported a successful bill that allowed women to register to vote in New Jersey without disclosing their marital status? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Ann Klein (politician). You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Ann Klein), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

— Maile (talk) 00:02, 15 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

		The Barnstar of Diligence
		For all of your work to clean up and expand the Lisette Nieves article! Beccaynr (talk) 23:02, 29 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

		The Article Rescue Barnstar
		Nice job with your research and improvements on this article!

MarchOfTheGreyhounds (talk) 12:36, 31 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks MarchOfTheGreyhounds - I think I have found what I could for now, so I am done editing if you want to add in more pieces. DaffodilOcean (talk) 12:37, 31 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers, I'll definitely give it a few tweaks today. MarchOfTheGreyhounds (talk) 12:38, 31 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

On 13 September 2022, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Mildred Newman, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that American psychologist Mildred Newman and her husband treated so many celebrities that the two were known as "therapists of the stars"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Mildred Newman. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Mildred Newman), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

 — Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 13 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

		The Article Rescue Barnstar
		Good job on rescuing the article! It's me... Sallicio! 13:11, 21 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

	The Barnstar of Diligence
	Thank you very much for your awesome research and additions to Marilyn Gayle Hoff! -- Beccaynr (talk) 03:32, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! I enjoyed the digging, but I think I have found all that I can. I thought I was close to getting access to the 'Sister Lode' journal, but it is eluding me. DaffodilOcean (talk) 03:44, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

	Seasons greetings!
	Wishing you joyous holiday spirits, DaffodilOcean! and best wishes for the New Year

Beccaynr (talk) 03:39, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

On 22 January 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Isabel Cooper (artist), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Isabel Cooper painted live snakes while holding them in her hand? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Isabel Cooper (artist). You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Isabel Cooper (artist)), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

 — Amakuru (talk) 12:03, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

On 15 March 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Cara De Silva, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Cara De Silva described a cookbook compiled by a woman in Terezin concentration camp as a record of "psychological resistance”? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Cara De Silva. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Cara De Silva), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 12:02, 15 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

On 22 May 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Sheila P. Burke, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Sheila P. Burke was once known as the 101st U.S. senator? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Sheila P. Burke. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Sheila P. Burke), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Aoidh (talk) 00:02, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

On 21 June 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Evelyn Pruitt, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Evelyn Pruitt was the highest-ranking woman scientist in the United States Navy when she retired in 1973? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Evelyn Pruitt. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Evelyn Pruitt), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

RoySmith (talk) 00:02, 21 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, DaffodilOcean,

I just wanted to thank you for keeping an eye on expiring drafts. I do a lot of work with drafts that are edging towards the six month mark and I've noticed you delaying deletion on ones you think are promising. This is amazing to me as you often pay more attention to these drafts than the editors who created them one day and then abandoned them. It's hard enough to get editors to finish up their drafts much less expect other editors to spend time working on other people's drafts. But I can see from notices on your User talk page that some of these have found their way into main space which is awesome. Thanks for spending time working with promising drafts that would ordinarily just be deleted. It's appreciated! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:00, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There are some interesting people in the set of expiring drafts, and I enjoy broadening my horizons by working on people I might otherwise not encounter.

On a practical note, I browse through SDZeroBot's reports to see what will be deleted soon. I keep my focus on women as my goal here is to increase the number of articles on women. If I miss someone you think has promise, feel free to send the details my way. DaffodilOcean (talk) 06:35, 23 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for reviewing Grace Wyshak.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Grace_Wyshak

I would LOVE to see this draft become a real article. MaynardClark (talk) 01:28, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Are you interested in seeing the Grace Wyshak article go public? MaynardClark (talk) 01:53, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@MaynardClark - I am interested in this article, and I have some text to add (quite a bit actually), but we just edit conflicted. Can you let me know when you are done for a little bit and I will put in the citations I have found? DaffodilOcean (talk) 00:10, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sure. Take it away! I would be HAPPY to see the article about Dr. Wyshak published. I would also like to see a WP Harvard, if it could be developed. That HAD been a dream of (the late) Joseph Brain (one of Dr. Wyshak's colleagues at HSPH) before he (recently) died at age 84. MaynardClark (talk) 00:27, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

OK - I will add in my edits.

For what it's worth, I don't know what you mean by this "WP Harvard" ? DaffodilOcean (talk) 00:33, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The late Dr. Joseph Brain (one of Dr. Wyshak's colleagues at HSPH) before he (recently) died at age 84, had convened a group of Faculty and "knowledge worker" staffers in Harvard's Longwood Medical Area to develop a working group to author Wikipedia articles on Harvard-based scientists and other noteworthy contributors. David Eppstein is currently working on the Wikipedia article "List of women in mathematics", which I suggest would likely host this finished and accepted article in their list. I know that she was born in August 1927, and I do not at this time know whether or not she is still alive. However, quite a few of her research articles were cutting edge "firsts" in evidence-based medicine and advice giving. Although the name "Wyshak" is considered to be a Jewish name, she had told me that she had some involvement with the local Greek Orthodox church (nearby HSPH) and had several times asked me how I was "going to deal with the Bible." MaynardClark (talk) 00:37, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I was (somewhat) dismayed that you had removed so many of her IMO cutting edge reearch publications (because I consider her WORK to be quite notable (even if she had not been given the organizational or institutional recognition that she had earned with that leading light research that has proved nearly "prophetic" and has changed researcher perceptions on risk factors in human health.^[1] MaynardClark (talk) 00:46, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, OK. Any chance you have a citation for her birth year? Or anything about her education? I find plenty of notes that she was at Harvard, but I have not yet found anything before her time at Harvard. DaffodilOcean (talk) 00:47, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(though I wonder if she was at Yale in the late 1960s) DaffodilOcean (talk) 00:50, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@MaynardClark - I am done for now. Let me know what you think. DaffodilOcean (talk) 02:07, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@DaffodilOcean - To me, it looks great, but I wonder about a "See also" section at the bottom, with health disparities and social determinants of health.MaynardClark (talk) 02:13, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@DaffodilOcean - Birthdate: She had told me that her birth year was 1927 (we were in the same department and talked often), but The TruePeopleSearch site says that she was born in August 1927 (consistent with what she had told me, but not from a "reliable source"). The only street address available for her now is 53 State Street, Boston, MA 02109, but she had lived in Brookline before (same phone number). We both can continue looking; she would be 96 years old now. I have e-mailed her (our) Department at Harvard for news about her. I find NO obituaries about her; I have reached out to (friends at) the Harvard Center for the History of Medicine at HMS (Countway Library). Several OTHER online people finder sites give the same information about her.^[2][3] MaynardClark (talk) 02:20, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@DaffodilOcean - Marriage and children: I believe that Dr. Wyshak had been married (and had outlived her husband) and had birthed a few children (with whom she may he lived later in her 70s, 80s, and 90s. Online "people search" engines seem to show quite a few persons surnamed Wyshak living at 32 Commonwealth Avenue, (slightly west of) Boston.MaynardClark (talk) 02:34, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@DaffodilOcean - In 2009, Dr. Wyshak uploaded her CV to her ResearchGate account.^[4]

@DaffodilOcean - Dr. Wyshak's CV (as of 2009) shows 123 refereed journal pubilcations, 11 Books and Monographs, 3 book reviews and book chapters, 3 Proceedings of Meetings, 6 letters to the editor, 1 doctoral thesis (listed), and (at least) 5 International Abstracts/Scientific Paper Presentations. No birthdate is shown, but her 1949 baccalaureate from Smith College appears, and there is enough here to population an Infobox about a scientist and/or academic. MaynardClark (talk) 02:53, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@DaffodilOcean - Dr. Wyshak's (user-uploaded) CV (as of 2009) shows her having received a bachelor's degree from Smith College in Northampton, Massachusetts in 1949. In the USA, the average age for completing a baccalaureate (right out of high school) is 22, so 1949 minus 22 = 1927 (the year Dr. Wyshak had told me was her birth year AND the year that appears on numerous "people finder" websites (considered unreliable, but what they are saying is both "reasonable" and consistent with everything else that we DO know).MaynardClark (talk) 03:40, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for pointing me to some dates and work locations. Given that you know Wyshak, you have a conflict of interest (WP:COI) and are discouraged from editing her article. I will finish up this up and submit it to AfC for someone else to consider for review. DaffodilOcean (talk) 21:19, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think you need to add what is the one unique thing she has done that nobody else had done before.MaynardClark (talk) 01:41, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, DaffodilOcean,

I saw you doing some work on drafts of women in academia so I was wondering if you could offer your help to this article I just moved from main space to Draft space. It needs a great deal of pruning but she might very well be notable. Right now though it looks like a cut and paste of a CV. Thanks for any help you can provide to this editor. Thanks for considering this request. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:38, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I created this article and watched it nominated, reedited to suit the NPOV Notability policy,. but that was not enough for the closure to Keep . one of the discussant in the Relist discussions hammered on the article improvements. I am confused about this No Consensus closure and where it leaves the article? Gold Junior (talk) 05:28, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Gold Junior - When there is no agreement on an outcome, the discussion is listed as no consensus and the article will remain available in mainspace. DaffodilOcean (talk) 11:33, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi,

If it is notable, could you possibly explain, how this article is neutral and not biased?

What kind of further steps can make this article nonbiased?

Thx Göycen (talk) 15:00, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The statements about her activities and their impact are all cited in the article. I have added citation needed to the statement about her personal life as that was uncited. Otherwise, I intend to leave the article as is. DaffodilOcean (talk) 13:11, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! I noticed that in this edit to Raven Hail, you added two snowmen emoji ("☃☃") when adding a reference. I've taken them out, but I'm mostly just really curious how that happened - I assume it was an accident, but how? :P Suntooooth, it/he (talk/contribs) 17:45, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

☃☃ DaffodilOcean (talk) 00:40, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have no idea how I did that @Suntooooth. I can clearly copy the symbol, but I definitely did not do that on purpose. DaffodilOcean (talk) 00:41, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough! :] Suntooooth, it/he (talk/contribs) 00:46, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

But I went down the rabbit hole - check out the WP article on Miscellaneous_Symbols. If you copy the HTML code, and then copy it onto a page while editing the source (not visual), you get all kinds of options. DaffodilOcean (talk) 00:48, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

☀ or ☔ or... I suspect I copied the code for snowmen by mistake when editing the Ravel Hail article. DaffodilOcean (talk) 00:49, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Daffodil, I just restored Draft:Barbara Feinman Todd. It looks like you might have been interested in expanding it a while back. It would be wonderful to have your help!! Best, Thriley (talk) 14:23, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Thriley - this one fell off my list because I did not think they would meet WP's notability standards. DaffodilOcean (talk) 14:59, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think she may based on the current sourcing. I'll do some more digging. Thriley (talk) 16:19, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

On 6 October 2024, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Janet Panetta, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Janet Panetta started dancing as physical therapy for childhood polio? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Janet Panetta. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Janet Panetta), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

RoySmith (talk) 00:03, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for help expanding this, but the Filmography is unsourced. Do you have a source for this? Cbl62 (talk) 16:40, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That portion of the page pre-dates my involvement, but I will see what I can find. DaffodilOcean (talk) 16:47, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have nominated the article at DYK, listing you as co-creator: Template:Did you know nominations/Chili Williams. Let's try to put it in tip-top shape before it appears on the Main Page. Thanks again for your help. Cbl62 (talk) 17:03, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I tried to find sourcing for the last two movies, but was unable to do so. Nice job in moving this forward for the DYK nomination. DaffodilOcean (talk) 23:22, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

On 1 November 2024, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Chili Williams, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that a photograph of Chili Williams, known as the "Polka Dot Girl" (pictured), was one of the "two most famous pin-up pictures" of World War II? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Chili Williams. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Chili Williams), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

 — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:02, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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		Your hook reached 37,218 views (1,550.8 per hour), making it one of the most viewed hooks of November 2024 – nice work!

GalliumBot (talk • contribs) (he/it) 01:28, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 10:53, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for adding a source to Margaret D. Nadauld. That is a great news article, and should help with the current deletion discussion, which I think was initiated unfairly (details on deletion page). If I understand right you had to do something on newspapers.com to make that article public because you have a paid subscription there. Is that right? If so, would you be able to do the same for the second half of the article on page D4? I'm interested in reading it. Davemc0 (talk) 16:22, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Davemc0 - sure, the links to both pages of the articles I added were there, and I have edited the citations so they are more clearly linked. DaffodilOcean (talk) 16:35, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]