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Catweasel used this as one of his spells. I like to contribute at some level.86.8.144.235 (talk) 12:37, 4 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No! wtf is catweasel. No, I don't want to know.--FeralOink (talk) 15:09, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why do none of the angels have links? Thrillseeker419 (talk) 20:19, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This doesn't make any sense: "the Sefirot did not yet exist in Talmudic times" is sourced to a book published in 1926. It is mentioned several times. The Sefirot existed since the beginning of the universe from the point of view of believers. As for whether or not they were known of "in Talmudic" times, better source needed, AND even if true, better phrasing, i.e. don't suggest that they came into being sometime during... when? The 13th century? In the 1800s?--FeralOink (talk) 15:09, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The doctrine of the Sephirot was first elaborated by Azriel of Gerona in the opening decades of the 13th century. But Azriel's Sephirot, which have different names, combine for 47 letters. Franck's proposal relies on the Zohar's list of Sephirot, which contains 41 letters (an added waw makes 42). The Zohar was written at the end of the 13th century. So it would be impossible, as Ginsburg writes, for Johanan bar Nappaha to have intended the Sephirot when he described a 42-letter name roughly 1,000 years earlier, in the 3rd century. GordonGlottal (talk) 02:04, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, point taken Gordon Glottal. So they were, in a way, 'invented' in the 13th century. This needs better phrasing in the article. You explained it clearly here on the talk page. Thank you!--FeralOink (talk) 14:03, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]