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There was never a nuns' ordination in Tibetan Buddhism. It died out in Theravada, but survives in China, Vietnam & Korea. In recent times the Dalai Lama authorized Tibetan Buddhist women to receive this ordination. Does anyone know from whom this lady received it? Peter jackson (talk) 11:27, 4 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I can tell, she was ordained at Kopan Monastery in 1978. Viriditas (talk) 11:32, 4 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

So where does her ordination lineage come from? Peter jackson (talk) 11:49, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Peter. The article spells it out. Do you have a good source criticizing the authenticity of her status as a nun? If so, please provide it. Thanks. Viriditas (talk) 12:10, 7 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The article merely says where she was ordained, not by whom. Traditional Nepalese Buddhism doesn't even have monks, let alone nuns. I'm not suggesting she isn't a nun, though I'd point out that the word is often used loosely. It just seem to me it might be helpful to have this information. Peter jackson (talk) 11:59, 9 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Peter, the lead says that Courtin is a "Buddhist nun in the Tibetan Buddhist Gelugpa tradition and lineage of Lama Yeshe and Lama Zopa." According to Mandala magazine, Courtin was ordained as a nun by Thubten Zopa Rinpoche.[1] She has been mentioned in relation to four other ordained women in the same tradition: Thubten Chodron, Sarah Thresher, Sangye Khadro, and Karma Lekshe Tsomo. Viriditas (talk) 12:25, 9 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nuns require double ordination:

1. by a chapter of nuns
2. by a chapter of monks

1 isn't a problem, clearly, but if she has a valid nuns' ordination it must come from China, Vietnam or Korea, not Tibet or Nepal. Peter jackson (talk) 09:59, 10 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

According to whom, Peter? Are you saying that Wikipedia should not consider Courtin, Thubten Chodron, Sarah Thresher, Sangye Khadro, and Karma Lekshe Tsomo Buddhist nuns? I'm curious where you are getting this monolithic view of Buddhism from. This is approaching the level of no true Scotsman. Viriditas (talk) 11:56, 10 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I see I accidentally said "1 isn't a problem", when it should have been 2.

According to the Gelugpas, among others. I'm just suggesting clarity here. It is common for women under vows to be called nuns, even without a traditional, or even purportedly valid, ordination. For that matter, married Japanese clergy are often called monks, which rather strains ordinary English usage, quite apart from anything else.

As I said above, the Dalai Lama has authorized women in the Tibetan tradition to receive Chinese, Vietnamese or Korean ordination. That may well be what happened here. Alternatively, it may be that the term is being used in such a looser sense. I'm simply suggesting this be made clear if anyone can find the information. Peter jackson (talk) 18:56, 12 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Once again, we see a perfectly good image replaced by an out of focus, goofy looking portrait merely because it is more recent. I don't know who gave members of the community the idea that a terrible photo should replace a good photo merely because it is more recent. It shouldn't at any time. I'm reverting the recent changes. Viriditas (talk) 01:47, 27 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This is the reason I don’t use citation templates in any article. The people who edit and maintain them can’t be bothered to update and fix them. Viriditas (talk) 02:01, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]