Talk:Rafah paramedic massacre

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NY Times video

So far, the article seems to be dry description. Condemnations from int. organizations don't really capture a mass killing and burial. Could someone get a frame from this paywalled link's video footage? It's vital for illustration. Bremps... 04:45, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The link doesn't seem paywalled for me, if you can't get to it then I'll do it. But you sure that I can? like, can I upload it as non-free media? — 🧀Cheesedealer ^!!!⚟ 14:42, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I actually uploaded it, do we like it like this? — 🧀Cheesedealer ^!!!⚟ 15:02, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, but it would be preferable if it was a frame with Israeli troops in it (if any such frame exists). Bremps... 16:55, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

sadly no, the guy taking the vid falls down soon after that frame — 🧀Cheesedealer ^!!!⚟ 17:13, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Move

I have moved the article. I understand that this is 'bold'. I apologize if 1) I've done this in the wrong way, or 2) pissed anyone off in doing it. Consider this to be my suggestion, one I support with some passion. -Darouet (talk) 00:16, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I think Rafah humanitarian convoy is a more accurate description than Gaza paramedic. However, the use of the term "massacre" seems to be justified in this case. EvansHallBear (talk) 00:36, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I have reverted this on procedural grounds. This was done as a cut and paste move which is not allowed per the copyright attribution requirements of the license that Wikipedia uses. Furthermore, since the article falls within the scope of the Arbitration Committee remedies for the Palestine-Israel conflict, a requested move discussion is the proper course of action to determine what the article should be called. -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 01:17, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Patar knight, I apologize: how do I initiate a move request? -Darouet (talk) 04:22, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Requested_move

refer to this. That being said, I would absolutely support using “massacre” here The Great Mule of Eupatoria (talk) 04:58, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Please follow the steps at WP:RM#CM. I haven't looked at enough sources to take up a position, but would strongly support a RM, since I think "humanitarian convoy attacks" is not a good descriptive title. -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 05:42, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Patar knight, EvansHallBear, The Great Mule of Eupatoria. I've made a move request below. -Darouet (talk) 15:11, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 7 April 2025

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: page moved by Rafe87, I only added this template following the move since Rafe didn't - was not myself the closer. Smallangryplanet (talk) 12:15, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

March 2025 Rafah humanitarian convoy massacre → Rafah paramedic massacre – This is a major news event in the region and globally right now. While the current title is not unreasonable, it is unwieldy: "March 2025" and "humanitarian convoy" all make the name quite long, and I was unable to find this article even after specifically looking for some time. REASONS TO MOVE: the new title is succinct satisfying WP:CONCISE, and the lack of additional detail is compensated for by the fact that this specific event is so dramatic compared to other, less known massacres. REASONS AGAINST: by omitting precision, the title theoretically overlaps with other massacres of paramedics at other times in Rafah. However, the scale of this event merits the more general and easily findable name. Darouet (talk) 15:09, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Move For the reasons I've outlined above. I understand the value of the current title. But it is frustrating that the unwieldy title here makes this article difficult to find even by people looking for it. -Darouet (talk) 15:10, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Support moving to more concise title. Perhaps killings instead of massacre would be following RS however.

The Guardian "The Gaza paramedic killings: a visual timeline"

CBC "Israeli military changes account of Gaza first-responder killings"

Haaretz "Video of Killing of Gaza Aid Workers Shows Ambulance Lights Were On, Despite IDF Claims"

-IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 15:22, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This massacre is also being referred to as such in RS, though.

"A survivor from a massacre of Palestinian paramedics..."

"Editorial: Impunity over Palestinian deaths in Gaza will lead to further cases like this massacre of rescue and healthcare workers"

"We spoke to one of their colleagues who survived the massacre."

Gaza rescue mission turns into a massacre Rafe87 (talk) 17:35, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Both "killings" and "massacre" are supported by available RS, but "massacre" is more specific and more accurately describes the truly shocking character of this event. -Darouet (talk) 19:02, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom. Skitash (talk) 17:36, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom, specifically using the word "massacre" as it is following RS, per @Rafe87. Smallangryplanet (talk) 18:44, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support less of a mouthfuls for the title, and also uses the word “massacre” which it undoubtedly is The Great Mule of Eupatoria (talk) 04:04, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support – no reader is going to type "March 2025" into the search box. WP:RECOGNIZABILITY. 🐔 Chicdat ^{Bawk to me!} 11:39, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support as better than the present title, but it should probably be Gaza paramedic massacre instead. Rafe87 (talk) 15:27, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support I searched for "Palestinian paramedics" to find the article, only to find out that its title doesn't include the word "paramedics". It would definitely be more findable with the title change.

Cergun62 (talk) 19:36, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Since all votes cast were supportive and no new discussion on the subject took place in the last 24h, I'll performing the change now. Rafe87 (talk) 20:44, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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NY Times video

Move

Requested move 7 April 2025