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Talk:RB Formula One Team

Following sources

@Island92 and Carfan568: It seems the "competing as" name of the team should be "Visa Cash App RB Formula One Team" given these sources: formula1.com article FIA Entry list Visa press release RB Press release The Telegraph. We have to follow the sources. There are other 3rd party sources that use "F1 Team" as well, but the 3 strongest and most "official" sources (which isn't always the most important, but is appropriate in this case), go with "Formula One". Cerebral726 (talk) 19:29, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's wrong. Competing means taking part in Grands Prix. From the 2024 Bahrain Grand Prix entry list onwards, the teams will compete as Visa Cash App RB F1 Team and Aston Martin Aramco F1 Team, for example, and so on. We had past cases. Island92 (talk) 19:31, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You are predicting that, but you don't actually know it until comes to pass. In the meantime, we must use strong sources (WP:V), not your intuition. If you are concerned with the "competing as" phrasing, we can change that to "entered as", "team name", "officially", or another option. Cerebral726 (talk) 19:38, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Cerebral. If we follow the sources it should be ‘Formula One’, which can be changed in the future if necessary. LesRoutine (talk) 19:44, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A future edit to change it in F1 is unnecessary. I'm pretty sure that FIA has always adopted "F1 Team" in dedicated Grands Prix entry list. The trend is to do the same in 2024. That is because in the document, example, "Formula One Team" occupies more in-line space than simply "F1 Team". FIA uses the short version of Formula One. Island92 (talk) 19:46, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That does not address the reasons that LesRoutine and I gave for why we should go with "Formula One" for now, and is not an argument based on any sort of Wikipedia policy; in fact, it violates WP:OR. If/when that happens, we can have another discussion about changing it back. But as we have myself, LesRoutine, and Carfan568 (from their edits) believing we should follow WP:V and follow the currently available sources, I believe we will be reverting that back. Cerebral726 (talk) 19:54, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Do whathever you want. I will put again F1 Team as soon as Bahrain entry list is released because this will be the case as from the moment I got used to reading what FIA added in its entry list. For them the practice has always been F1 Team. Island92 (talk) 20:41, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To confirm, I support that we should follow the current sources and use "Formula One Team" instead of speculating what the name will be in future entry lists. Even if the FIA shorten the name for the specific race entry lists, we don't necessarily need to use the shortened name on this article since space isn't a big issue here. Carfan568 (talk) 20:46, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Island92: when an entry list shows "F1" feel free to change it, but this claim that entry lists always show "F1", and not "Formula One" is just your personal WP:OR and has no place on Wikipedia. It is little nore than your opinion. SSSB (talk) 07:03, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, but you can't ignore it that is a fact. FIA uses this practice in the single Grands Prix entry list. Island92 (talk) 16:02, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I can't ignore that this is the practice in previous seasons. But we cannot just assume it will continue - you cannot ignore that it would be WP:Original research, no matter how certain it may appear to be. SSSB (talk) 19:14, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To date, there is not reason to see it different for 2024 compared to previous seasons. Island92 (talk) 15:11, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't disagree. But the only relevant fact here is that it is your conclusion based on your analysis. Which makes it WP:OR and unsuitable for inclusion on Wikipedia.

As an irrelevant aside, you are coming across as very hypocritical. You continue to insist we use Alexander Albon instead of Alex Albon (the consensus commonname) because the entry lists use his official name, but here you want us to ignore the only entry list which mentions this team name based off of nothing more than a hunch about future entry lists? SSSB (talk) 19:28, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Team name criticism

@SSSB: I think Straw's point was that if the core team name was, for example, "Toro Rosso" instead of "RB", people could easily ignore the sponsors and refer to it as simply "Toro Rosso", but since the name is "RB", that is not really possible (since it could easily be confused with Red Bull). Therefore I don't think it is correct to add "Visa Cash App" in the place where you did in this edit, because he did not have a problem with the "Visa Cash App" part of the name per se, as he clearly says here. Carfan568 (talk) 17:20, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

agree, I've self-reverted SSSB (talk) 18:44, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Page title

Shouldn't it be called Racing Bulls?

2401:7400:6010:E1F2:40C8:B6FF:FED9:A4A5 (talk) 13:33, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, for two reasons. Firstly, Racings Bulls only appears to be the name of the owning company, not the team itself. Secondly, that would be contrary to WP:COMMONNAME. SSSB (talk) 14:40, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

CEO Name

Peter Bayer needs to be added as CEO. See article: https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/why-new-ceo-bayer-brings-a-fresh-approach-to-alphatauri/10510329/ Other Formula One Teams list their CEO yet Visa Cash App RB Formula One Team does not. Alex.hirst.VCARB (talk) 15:10, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is correct. 147.161.166.93 (talk) 15:14, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

When should the page title be changed?

Since RB is changing to Racing Bulls, the name of this page should be changed to match the new name. But when should this name change happen, now or at the start of the 2025 season? Jbvann05 00:05, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

When it has been established that the common name has changed. So, not yet, but should be before the start of the season. After testing at the latest, I would have thought. But it also depends if the FIA are going to consider them a new constructor (like when they went from AlphaTauri to RB) SSSB (talk) 07:52, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 19 December 2024

Racing Bulls Formula One Team → Racing Bulls – WP:CONCISE without ambiguity. MB2437 19:02, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note This article has been moved back to "RB Formula One Team" during this move request. To keep consistent with WP:F1 convention, this request applies from 1 January 2025 onwards. MB2437 21:47, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support, although it would be nice if the racing press could coin some kind of Team Enstone-style nickname to keep things stable for us. Namelessposter (talk) 23:40, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, I'm not sure about this - as @SSSB noted on Dec 14 in a previous topic on this page, we don't yet know whether VCARB and Racing Bulls are going to be treated as distinct constructors. Wikipedia maintains separate pages for Toro Rosso, AlphaTauri, and VCARB, even though they're functionally the same team. If Racing Bulls is a different constructor then precedent suggests we create a new page for that team. Namelessposter (talk) 13:52, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Those were different entities, I don't see why they would move their assets from Racing Bulls S.p.A... MB2437 15:01, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment This team is known as "RB" in all reliable sources. What's the significance of January 1? 162 etc. (talk) 02:39, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The team has been rebranded from RB to Racing Bulls for the 2025 season. We are currently in the off season. WikiProject Formula One convention is that 2024 details should remain in the infobox until the start of the new calendar year (2025), rather than simply the end of the reelvant season (2024 Formula One World Championship). MB2437 is arguing that the same practice should apply to the article title. SSSB (talk) 06:42, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Oppose, no sources cited, WP:CRYSTAL. 162 etc. (talk) 06:52, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Sources for the name change: [1] [2]; major sources using the name change for the driver transfer that just happened: [3] [4] [5]; Formula One contracts—including name changes—generally start on 1 January: [6] [7] [8] MB2437 11:01, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    These sources don't show that the commonname has changed from RB to Racing Bulls though. The only sources provided which show a clear preference for Racing Bulls were published today. And one of the articles shows that the team are still using "RB" on their socials. So any claim that the commonname has changed is, in my mind, absurd. SSSB (talk) 11:07, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    They're using the new name referring to next season, showing that the commonname is very much set to change across the board come 1 January. MB2437 12:03, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Commonname is set to change is not the same as commonname has changed. And Wikipedia is based on what the commonname is, not what it is speculated to become. SSSB (talk) 13:44, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support, for moving the article per 1 January. With the recent announcement of Hadjar as a driver of 2025, I'm seeing plenty of sources refer to the team as "Racing Bulls", including sources that aren't primarily reporting on F1.DragonFury (talk) 14:07, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support I'm absolutely sure a lot of people have always called this team Racing Bulls, and now they're officially named that way. So just wait for the new year and rename the article. 2.63.200.247 (talk) 15:47, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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