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A large majority of these citations have inaccurate dates and some things included in the article are completely fabricated

>On October 26, he was taken into police custody and disobeyed directions from police officers.

He was never taken into custody

>On November 2, 2024, he was barred from leaving the country while being under probe for his earlier incidents.

Inaccurate date for when travel ban came into effect

>On November 6, Ismael uploaded an apology video in which he filmed next to the Statue of Peace, of which viewers doubted his sincerity.

Ismael never uploaded any apology video, as his channels were terminated, there was one uploaded by other Youtubers.

>Ismael also faces additional charges for creating a deepfake video using artificial intelligence of him making out with the Korean content creator on Kick, Bongbong. British media outlet The Standard claimed that as a result of his other controversial actions such as the displaying the Japanese war-time flag of the Rising Sun Flag, playing North Korean pop music, and repeatedly telling other Koreans to speak English to him, he may be further investigated for hindering business operations and suspected drug use. Legal experts claimed that Ismael may also be charged with disseminating North Korean propaganda, and could face up to seven years in prison under South Korea's National Security Act.

This entire section is speculative, as of 12/1/2024 there is a single charge for obstruction.

>On November 19, Ismael was on a subway train in Seoul where during his live stream viewers could donate sums of cash in order to have text read aloud from his speaker using a text-to-speech program. Ismael's program went off and repeatedly said the phrase "I have a bomb" in the Korean language, which potentially came into violation of South Korea's anti-terrorism laws.

Inaccurate date, all of his channels were terminated for over 20 days at this point and he hasn't been streaming, also speculative since it says "potentially"

>On November 29, Dalgeun Yu, a former South Korean Navy SEAL and South Korean YouTuber, assaulted and knocked out Ismael after a confrontation inside an elevator and in response to Ismael's actions towards the Statue of Peace. Ismael was live streaming as Yu was recording Ismael, Yu was speaking Korean to Ismael as Ismael mocked him before punching Ismael in the head as he walked out of the building. Yu was immediately arrested by South Korean police as he posted the video of him assaulting Ismael online. Yu stated in defense of his actions "I could not stand by while someone insulted the victims of history and our nation," and that he did it to "defend national dignity".

Inaccurate date and complete fabrication. He was assaulted, but neither party was livestreaming, as Somalis channel has been terminated for a period of time already and the other person. There was also no mocking involved. The cited article mentions none of this. Odigasomali (talk) 08:44, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I share many of these concerns. I had smelled these issues but didn't bother going through the sources myself. Honestly because this is a BLP, if people aren't willing to immediately fix the writing the appropriate thing to do is to delete much of it. It's better to say less than more if there's a risk of us significantly spreading falsehoods seefooddiet (talk) 14:04, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I unfortunately lack permissions to edit it properly, but I believe the only relevant information here should pertain to his singular charge and travel ban because of it, most everything else in the South Korea section is speculative, fabricated or inaccurate Odigasomali (talk) 20:03, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I try to not spend that much time on Somali and this is a big project. If nobody else wants to take this up, I can try to get around to it eventually, but I don't want to. For now I tagged the section as unreliable.

What needs to happen is all statements need to be tightly verified to the sources. seefooddiet (talk) 20:08, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hopefully someone can remove much of it. In regards to [56] it cites a tweet, the article contains no reason as to why they were in the police car. The full context is they were given a ride to the station to file a report against another party, no arrests were involved. But that is original research.

For the additional charges [61], they cite dexerto as a source who Dexerto uses a Youtuber as their source in the article. The Youtuber in question is not a Korean lawyer, or lawyer practicing in Korea. Its purely speculative and original research. [62] also cites the same Youtuber, who is a not a practicing lawyer in Korea. [14] [58] When it comes to drug use and any assault charges, Johnny himself has came out and said the drug charge were dropped and there was no assault case in the first place.

[63] again cites Dexerto, who uses a tweet and non practicing lawyer as a source of information, the article even used the word 'alleged' and that there is no formal accusation against Johnny. Also claiming it was livestreamed in November, despite his accounts being terminated in October.

[64] [65] [66] [67] This section is fabricated. The attacker was sent to prosecutors November 29th and the articles do not mention the original incident date despite that being claimed here. The original incident occurred November 1st and was not livestreamed by either party. The original attack can be cited but the Korean articles refer to him anonymously. I believe the attackers reasoning is irrelevant to the article. Odigasomali (talk) 01:35, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You could post a request or two for people to look at this article. You could post on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Internet culture, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Crime and Criminal Biography, or at the Wikipedia:Teahouse. I suspect WikiProject Korea won't be very interested (small community, this kind of topic isn't in most people's primary interests). seefooddiet (talk) 03:09, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alternatively you could rewrite the section and put your rewrite on this talk page with an WP:edit request. Just would need to make the edit request as neat as possible; ideally the approver should be able to copy+paste and your edit to the article. seefooddiet (talk) 03:16, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

On December 3, the trial date for Ismael was revealed to be on December 20 though new evidence is being brought to the South Korean police which may add up to more charges. He is currently being charged for behavioral misconduct and overall offensive acts.

[70] [71] citations says nothing about new charges, and still are only using a Youtuber as a source of information. I would like Korean sources for the majority of this section. @RowanJ LP: Gomadgomad (talk) 17:55, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Dexerto citation states that there MAY be new charges added with the new evidence presented, it states that in the article as well, it never stated that there WERE new charges. RowanJ LP (talk) 17:57, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It already says he may face other charges in almost every article in this section, it doesn't need to be repeated a thousand times. The seal story is also properly cited as happening on 31/10 not 29/11 on the talk page Gomadgomad (talk) 18:02, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@RowanJ LP Dexerto is also inappropriate to use on WP:BLP, see this link: WP:DEXERTO seefooddiet (talk) 19:37, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

His latest edit "He is currently being charged for behavioral misconduct and overall offensive acts. [72]" is also blatantly false, he is currently indicted for obstruction of business which has already been mentioned earlier in the topic. The articles used for these citations all use dexerto as their source, which isn't reliable. Gomadgomad (talk) 23:25, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's safe to delete that kind of content. Multiple strikes against it on a BLP. If nobody does it soon I will. seefooddiet (talk) 01:05, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The article mentiones that the subject was attacked by a Seal end of November. The following video shows that this incident happened already a month ago. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qA22wH5JTQE Hellokevinvo (talk) 08:31, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That video is useless on Wikipedia, see WP:YOUTUBE. Marcus Markup (talk) 09:13, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think that's quite accurate; Korea Now is a publication of Yonhap News Agency, considered a reliable source by WP:KO/RS.

However, a written source would be preferrable to that video. I'm sure some exist, if not in English then in Korean. seefooddiet (talk) 14:13, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

https://www.dailian.co.kr/news/view/1423773/ Korean source, doesn't mention attacker by name. Source of video is the Korean guys instagram, and further proof none of them were livestreaming so that section can be removed Gomadgomad (talk) 21:01, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah that source confirms that it happened on October 31. The source doesn't mention insta; I assume you mean you know separately that the video is from instagram. You'd need to provide a source for that claim. seefooddiet (talk) 21:10, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Instagram can't be used as a source can it? Because it was uploaded on his personal page the minute it happened. Neither party was streaming, and that can be fact checked by watching the video. Unfortunately there are no articles that cite his instagram as the source of the video Gomadgomad (talk) 21:19, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, it can't, per WP:USERGENERATED. Extrapolating further information from just the video is WP:ORIGINALRESEARCH as well. On Wikipedia most of what we can do is just report what sources are saying; applying extra reasoning steps based on evidence is discouraged. seefooddiet (talk) 22:08, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please edit the section to edit below Removed all the dexerto/sportskeeda, along with any other source that cites them in the articles, along with speculative or alleged content. I corrected the date of the 10/31 attack with a korean source, as well as added a Korean source for the parliamentary discussion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gomadgomad (talk • contribs) 03:17, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

While visiting South Korea, Ismael kissed and performed lap dances on the Statue of Peace, a memorial commemorating comfort women, though he later apologized for his actions, claiming ignorance of the statue's significance.^[1]He also loudly played obscene noises on the subway, such as speeches by Kim Jong Un, and was ejected from a bus after loudly playing North Korean music.^[2][3]

On October 17, Ismael reportedly caused a disturbance at a convenience store, where he was confronted by a convenience store worker who told him not to drink alcohol inside and made sexist comments.^[4] He was reported to the police the same day.^[5]

Members of the Korean Parliament discussed his actions during a parliamentary session on October 30, concluding that he would be monitored more closely.^[6]

On October 31st, 2024, Ismael was assaulted in South Korea after a confrontation in a public space. The altercation occurred following his controversial actions^[7]

On November 11th, 2024, Ismael was indicted by the Seoul Southern District Prosecutors' Office on charges of "obstruction of business" over the convenience store incident. A travel ban prevents him from leaving South Korea.^[8]

As of December 3rd, 2024, Ismael’s trial date is set for December 20, with additional charges being considered.^[9] Gomadgomad (talk) 03:04, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Could you be more specific about what we're supposed to replace? Some of that section is sourced to reliable sources. seefooddiet (talk) 03:46, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The parliament citation, and events of 31st, 11th and December 3rd should be 100% replaced to reflect accuracy in my opinion.

What section do you believe is reliable? I removed the dexerto and sportskeeda sources, but some of the other ones like [64] petapixel cite dexerto as their source in their article, [15] because its previously mentioned in [53][54] and [65] because the 'legal experts' cited in the article is a Youtuber who doesn't practice law in Korea. Gomadgomad (talk) 04:36, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't quite follow your suggestions, but I did prune the section. There are a couple of grammar/spelling/style issues in your proposed edit, and there were a number of sources that you were suggesting replacing that are unambiguously reliable (see WP:KO/RS), with information that is probably true. I mostly did deletion work; I could add some information you proposed (nov 11, oct 31), but honestly it doesn't bother me. We don't really need a play-by-play of Somali's actions; at some point it becomes unencyclopedic. Most of this article relies on poor sourcing. If someone else with more editing experience wants to add these bits later they can, but I'm still loathe to spend time on Somali. seefooddiet (talk) 03:01, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Appreciated. Thats what I was concerned about, the article turning into a play by play with unreliable updates and speculative content of an ongoing situation. Easier to just wait for the results of the court hearing Gomadgomad (talk) 05:57, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I was originally going to write this post as a request to add some things, but I guess it's turned into more of an informal information dump. There are a lot of things I've heard about from Legal Mindset (a lawyer and YouTuber), primary sources (aka livestreams) from Johnny Somali himself, among other things. However, I've forgotten the exact videos and I don't want to forget any of this. Anyway, Legal Mindset has been making videos about Johnny, and mentioned a lot of things that he did in South Korea. Alongside the ramyeon incident, he also committed obstruction of business in Lotte World, where he blared text-to-speech audio that made sexual threats against minors (in Korean). Legal Mindset also mentioned that Johnny's Discord server had child pornography on it. Johnny tried to defend himself, stating that he "can't control his chat". I forgot the exact video where he said this, sorry...

Also, when Johnny got ready to assault the statue, he said "Japan hates this thing", hinting that he was aware of the statue's cultural significance. This is one of the reasons why people didn't take too kindly to his apology. Johnny also got into a fight with a woman near ABC Pizza. Since the woman wore glasses, that counts as attempted murder. He's also made a deepfake video of him kissing a South Korean streamer, Bongbong,^[1] as well as a video of the comfort woman statue as a stripper.

My main question is: should I add the Legal Mindset videos as sources? I'm not going to say that Johnny's definitively charged with anything, but that his actions imply that he could be charged with something. Some of the info might be a bit too new to put in... - OpalYosutebito (talk) 02:45, 9 December 2024 (UTC) OpalYosutebito (talk) 02:45, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No you shouldn't link youtube, sportskeeda, or dexerto, and anything that is original research or speculatory

Also you shouldn't believe everything he claims, considering he doesn't practice law in Korea and any information regarding the case is given to him through third parties. Just going off your post alone, there were no "sexual threats" made in LW, the donation text is there for you to read. The discord thing is speculatory, even the person he interviewed claimed he didn't know. A verbal spat in the street isn't 'attempted murder'. You also can't claim he created the deepfake video when all he did was show one on his broadcast. Gomadgomad (talk) 04:57, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Okay. Thanks for the help and clarification! I'll keep this in mind. - OpalYosutebito (talk) 05:00, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with Gomadgomad's comment. seefooddiet (talk) 06:51, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

“After being temporarily suspended from Twitch he went to Twitch” He went to Kick 85.148.91.163 (talk) 08:02, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. “After being temporarily suspended from Twitch he went to Twitch” does not exist in the article, where are you seeing this text Cannolis (talk) 08:14, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Many people who know Johnny Somali personally all testify that he is in fact half Somali and half Oromo, and this article seems biased in naming a random Somali news source to try and pretend he is not half Somali. Please follow true journalistic facts and remove the line stating some random Somali news sources believe he’s fully Ethiopian, OR add a line right after stating other Ethiopian news sources believe he is fully Somali. Thank you. 2001:56A:FEE3:E200:C03E:5317:6EE9:7C56 (talk) 04:42, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please provide reliable sources for this request. No social media please. If you do I may accept the request, but until then the article is stable.

The reality is that there is conflicting information; that Somalian source is one opinion (one that I expressed distaste for in another thread above, due to its open nationalism) that we can represent here. seefooddiet (talk) 05:01, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]