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Talk:And Quiet Flows the Don

Translator

The translator is listed here as Garry Stephen; in fact, his name is Stephen Garry, a pen name for Harry C. Stephens. This information can be found here, and elsewhere: http://www.nytimes.com/books/98/01/25/bookend/bookend.html Unfortunately, I don't know how to edit the sidebar. Zweidinge (talk) 20:36, 13 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think there should be a separate section headed "Translations". More than 99% of non-Russians who read this book will read it in translation. Literary translation is a difficult art, and there are often substantial differences in quality between the products of different translators. Wikipedia cannot make quality judgements but it should at least mention the alternative translations available. Longitude2 (talk) 08:55, 6 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Plagiarism allegations

Should be something on the plagiarism allegations... AnonMoos 12:09, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

hey there is wrong information here. how can bondarchuk make an adaptation in 2004? he died in 1994 himself. --Arash red 05:12, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]


his son had compiled an adaptation. that was bondarchuk's the worst movie, or maybe it was compiled not the was it was supposed to be compiled originally.

I haven't seen it, so can't comment on the quality, but the film languished in an Italian bank vault for a decade, due to some money feud. AllenHansen (talk) 11:43, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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BetacommandBot (talk) 14:37, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Vol. 1 Manuscript

Should we mention that the manuscript of the first volume has been found and copies places in the Russian national Library? http://www.1tv.ru/owa/win/ort6_main.main?p_news_title_id=116182&p_news_razdel_id=6 AllenHansen (talk) 01:38, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject Ukraine???

Why is this part of the Ukraine project? The protagonists are Don Cossacks and it mainly takes part in Russia. I know there were a lot of Ukrainians in the area, but the only really tangible connection I can think of is that Sholokhov's mother was half-Ukrainian.AllenHansen (talk) 02:40, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Contradiction

See Talk:Michail_Aleksandrovich_Sholokhov#Contradiction. Epinheiro (talk) 13:00, 29 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Tags removed: there is no contradiction. See Talk:Michail_Aleksandrovich_Sholokhov#Contradiction. Dricherby (talk) 11:49, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Edit Seeger Reference Regarding "Flowers"

Seeger most assuredly was inspired by the passage in this novel for the lyric, but the melody is a different story entirely.

Unless someone can come up with a WP:RS for this, it cannot remain in the article. "Drill, Ye Tarriers, Drill" was a copyrighted song published in 1888 - as such, it has a single tune and not variants as traditional/Child ballads do. Here's the melody:

http://www.contemplator.com/tunebook/midimusic/drillye.mid

Here's a MIDI of "Flowers":

http://www.wtv-zone.com/limeylady/flowers.html

There is no structural, chordal,or harmonic similarity between the two. Sensei48 (talk) 06:11, 26 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Plagiarism accusations

A couple of points on this:

Firstly, they aren't described very well. Who did Sholokhov supposedly plagiarize the novel from?

Secondly, this is pretty bad: Sholokhov was accused in conspiracy theories promoted by Solzhenitsyn and others of plagiarizing the novel. However, an investigation in the late 1920s upheld Sholokhov's authorship of "Silent Don" and the allegations were denounced as malicious slander in Pravda.

A Soviet investigation in the 1920s? Pravda called it slander? Forgive me if I don't find Pravda's imprimatur very convincing. john k (talk) 22:01, 9 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

And given that Solzhenitsyn was a child in the 1920s, very implausible that he would have been involved then. Daniel Case (talk) 19:38, 17 January 2011 (UTC) And Stalin's daughter, Svetlana Alliluyeva, wasn't born until 1926. Shouldn't this whole sentence be taken out?[reply]

This is a huge subject described in a separate article on ruwiki (ru:Проблема авторства текстов М. А. Шолохова) that uses around 80 refs to sources which are mostly RS, such as these [1], [2]. I will try to source this to a book by historian of literature Benedikt Sarnov, "Stalin and Writers" [3], one chapter was about Sholokhov. The most recent analysis of text of this book and "Podnytaya Tselina" shows that both books were written by three people with very different writing level and style, only one of whom (the worst writer) was Sholokhov. Two others authors are tentatively assigned as Lavr Kornilov (whose notes and diaries were confiscated) and Piotr Gromyslavsky, father in law of Sholokhov, although I must check this in book. But once again, this is all a matter of literary and historical debate. My very best wishes (talk) 20:54, 15 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"And Quiet Flows the Don: the Sholokhov-Kryukov authorship debate", Digital Scholarship in the Humanities, Volume 35, Issue 2, June 2020, Pages 307–318 (21 March 2019) https://academic.oup.com/dsh/article-abstract/35/2/307/5418557: Using two different analytic methodologies, "Fyodor Kryukov writings are distinct from ‘And Quiet Flows the Don’, whilst Sholokhov’s writings being close to the Don novel."

Of course that was not Fyodor Kryukov, but other people. But this is an important issue which needs to be described in more detail. The book by Sarnov was mostly a review of other numerous research, including books, on this subject. My very best wishes (talk) 18:22, 12 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Plot summary

The plot summary focuses almost exclusively on the first two parts of the novel and should be expanded. Dhalamh (talk) 09:02, 9 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Plot summary incorrect; Natalya and Aksinia

This post is incorrect; Natalya doesn’t attempt an abortion and Aksinia isn’t shot. Please correct the plot summary. 91.110.93.182 (talk) 22:20, 31 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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