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Talk:Amos Oz

Reference to Hebrew article

In the References section, please do not remove "עמוס עוז (Amos Oz) from the Hebrew-language Wikipedia. Retrieved February 1, 2005":

  • It is where I translated about half of this English-language article's text from.
  • It is therefore a source that we must cite according to Wikipedia policy.
  • It avoids self-reference by using a complete URL (http://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%A2%D7%9E%D7%95%D7%A1_%D7%A2%D7%95%D7%96) instead of an interwiki link (which would be he:עמוס עוז).
  • It includes a date so that we can track changes.

--Hoziron 02:16, September 4, 2005 (UTC)

I believe I see your point, but I still object. Wikipedia cannot cite another Wikipedia, regardless, as Wikipedia per se is unverifiable. --Dhartung | Talk 03:41, 11 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Verifiability is extremely important, but this isn't about verifiability. We have to mention the Hebrew-language article because we have translated and incorporated text from it. Please refer to GFDL and consider how valuable Wikipedia translation is for Wikipedia in general and Wikipedia:WikiProject Countering systemic bias in particular. As for verifiability, feel free to pepper the article with "citation needed". Regarding your edit summary "not, um, kosher", I want to recommend the following Wikipedia guideline: "Avoid using edit summaries to carry on debates or negotiation over the content." --Hoziron 07:21, 13 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, later I asked about this issue in policy discussion pages. I was told that Wikipedia practice is simply to put a comment in the edit history the mentions the article from which the translation was made. Personally I think that practice leaves something to be desired, but meanwhile I'll withdraw my insistence on mentioning the Hebrew-language article in the references. And for the record if there is one, when I created an "Acknowledgment" section, I had no intention of creating an "invariant section" under GFDL. --Hoziron (talk) 19:32, 16 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"Criticism"

At the end of the section Criticism of his politics: "This criticism is despite the PLO constitution calling for Israel's destruction for many years afterwards as well as the express pronouncement of members of the PLO leadership calling for Israel's destruction." As far as I can tell, this is just a statement of some Wikpedian's uncited disagreement with Chomsky's criticism of Oz. Does this really belong here? And if so why? -- Jmabel | Talk 04:16, 12 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

"Criticism"

The section "criticism of his politics" should not be here. If it appears anywhere, it should relate to Noam Chomsky.

I deleted it. As well as being hard to follow and of doubtful relevance, it has serious errors. For example, Res 242 does not "call for the establishment of a Palestinian state next to Israel". --Zero 04:19, 6 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Uncited minor change

[1] changed the age at which he joined a kibbutz. No clear citation either way, but I'm always suspicious of unexplained anonymous changes. Does someone have a citation on this? - Jmabel | Talk 05:58, 4 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

He writes: "I was about fifteen or sixteen..." (A Tale of Love and Darkness, p.483), but I suspect it's the former. Certainly, over fourteen. El_C 17:48, 10 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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DumZiBoT (talk) 03:53, 9 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Pronunciation of name?

Can someone who knows add a line (preferably with an aural link) about the pronunciation of the subject's surname? I've heard both "Ahs" (as in The Wizard of Oz) and "Ohs" (with a long 'O'). --Michael K. Smith (talk) 01:58, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's a long O sound - Oz is Hebrew for "strength." --Gilabrand (talk) 05:36, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oz as IDF speechwriter

I do not wish to indulge in Oz-bashing. I like his work. But perhaps this article ought to reflect the fact (documented in Tom Segev's book 1967) that Oz wrote the speech that IDF general Israel Tal delivered on the outbreak of the Six-Day War. The speech was fairly unabashed patriotic boilerplate. If anything, it's to Oz's credit that he appears to have acquired a more complex attitude since then, but I still think that it's worth mentioning. I can provide references if nobody else wants to. Lexo (talk) 00:45, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

We would need to see the proposed text to form a view, but it's possible that documenting what you mention (a speech presumably written for a fee over 40 years ago) would be unworthwhile trivia, or it would be original research to assert that it is not trivial. Is there a reliable source showing that the speech is somehow significant in the context of this article? Johnuniq (talk) 02:06, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Which picture do we like better?

A. File:Amos oz675.jpg

B. File:Amos Oz by Kubik.JPG

I think it's clear that both are policy-compliant, and that both satisfy the MOS in terms of WP:LEADIMAGE. Perhaps we can have a simple poll for a simple question? If anyone thinks it's necessary we can slap an RfC template right at the top here.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 14:20, 16 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Which lead image do you prefer, A or B?

A — alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 14:20, 16 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Threaded discussion

Maybe if we keep discussion down here it'll be easier to gauge the result?— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 14:20, 16 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

A is a great portrait. I have never seen it before. It is perfect for the article, and says so much to those who know his work. Cheers! Irondome (talk) 02:29, 17 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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single-source claim - from a journalist?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/10823096/Author-Amoz-Oz-calls-Israeli-hate-crime-graffitists-Hebrew-neo-Nazis.htm -- The lede states he was Israel's 'foremost living author' with only this reference backing that up - while he most certainly was important, I'm not so sure that this claim holds up - at least without better Reliable Sources. I would move it out of the lead, and in the body state something along the lines of, "according to _______." 50.111.3.227 (talk) 09:36, 30 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Solid literary critical source is needed for such a grand claim.HammerFilmFan (talk) 09:42, 30 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Who else would you propose deserves such a statement? (I had nothing to do with the article until I started a frustrating search for references yesterday.) We have, and could use:
  • "The Israel Prize laureate, the author of 'A Tale of Love and Darkness,' promoted peace with the Palestinians and was one of the country's most widely translated writers." [2]
  • "One of Israel’s most prolific writers and respected intellectuals" The New York Times (which is higher praise)
  • among 100 leading intellectuals [3] --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:47, 30 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I dropped that sentence which says about nothing. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:04, 30 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

place of death – any source?

Is there any single source saying explicitly Amos Oz died in Tel Aviv? --johayek (talk) 12:10, 30 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

No, just that he lived there. One source says that (that we don't know, but he lived there), forgot which one. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:14, 30 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung says, he died in Jerusalem[1] Grimes2 (talk) 13:08, 30 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I hope Platthaus had not taken that from here. I myself had taken that information from https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q151872 – which in turn got changed at some stage from void to Jerusalem and a little later from Jerusalem to Tel Aviv, actually not based on a source, but merely on an assumption ("Amos Oz lived in Tel-Aviv") – you are able to track those changes here. I hope we will be able to link here to a statement from family or a regional source. --johayek (talk) 13:53, 30 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I have added Integrated Authority File as reference to Wikidata, place of death: Tel Aviv. Grimes2 (talk) 17:34, 30 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
So in case on Wikidata that detail will ever get modified, the detail on portal.dnb.de will also get updated? Well, occasionally we will find out, that Tel Aviv is seriously the right answer – or update it here and there. --johayek (talk) 19:32, 30 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Integrated Authority File (GND) is independent from Wikidata. Wikidata needs references, like GND. In the case of the place of death the available references disagree. Grimes2 (talk) 20:24, 30 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Well, Fania Oz-Salzberger did not state precisely on Twitter where Amos Oz died. --johayek (talk) 20:41, 30 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
He died in Rabin Medical Center, Petah Tikva.Moribunny (talk) 22:37, 16 April 2019 (UTC)Daniel Oz[reply]

References

  1. ^ Platthaus, Andreas (28 December 2018). "Liebe und Finsternis". Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung (in German). Retrieved 30 December 2018.

Oz never once supported the Labor Party

The article includes the following false statement: "For many years Oz was identified with the Israeli Labor Party and was close to its leader Shimon Peres. When Peres retired from party leadership, he is said to have named Oz as one of three possible successors, along with Ehud Barak (later Prime Minister) and Shlomo Ben-Ami (later Barak's foreign minister).[18] In the 1990s, Oz withdrew his support from Labor and went further left to the Meretz Party, where he had close connections with the leader, Shulamit Aloni."

In fact, Oz never in his life supported the Labor Party, nor did he ever imply to the contrary. Even before Meretz, he supported Mapam, Moked and Sheli, and Mapam again, and campaigned against Labor on numerous occasions. He also relates in his book "ממה עשוי התפוח" (with Shira Hadad) that he was the only one in Kibbutz Hulda to vote for Mapam in the 1961 elections, the first time he voted.

Also, while he did have very friendly relations with Shulamit Aloni, he was closer to Yair Tzaban from Mapam - which had joined with Aloni's Ratz to form Meretz.

My name is Daniel Oz, and I am Amos Oz's son.Moribunny (talk) 22:35, 16 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

We have to follow published sources, but you are welcome to suggest some. In any case this particular claim does not appear in the source given, so I removed it. Zerotalk 10:32, 17 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

References

National Jewish Book Award (NJBA) to be added

Hello all, It was brought to my attention that Amos Oz was awarded the NJBA in 2013.

cheers!

References

  1. ^ "Past Winners - Fiction". National Jewish Book Award. Jewish Book Council. Retrieved 20 January 2020.

(Not sure if I should start a new section, or add to this, given the similarity in topic.) Amos Oz was awarded the Mount Zion Award in 2017.[1] See also here: https://www.jcrelations.net/article/amos-oz-received-mount-zion-award-2017.pdf "The author received the prize in recognition for his 2014 novel, Judas." 207.195.49.91 (talk) 16:35, 23 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 28 February 2021

It is inappropriate that Oz is labeled as an atheist, given that there is nothing to support this categorization at the bottom of the page. 74.64.195.172 (talk) 05:33, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I've instead added a source for the "atheist" label, so the category is no longer inappropriate. Volteer1 (talk) 08:16, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

About the "Nahal Brigade"

Hello,

I see there is a link to Nahal Brigade, but according to the Amos Oz article in French, he joined the Nahal unit at the end of the 50ies, but according to the Nahal Brigade article, it was created in 1982, which means more than 20 years after Amos Oz military activity, so I wonder if we rather should link to Nahal group or Nahal…

2A02:2788:22A:100D:AC46:33B9:B00C:2D62 (talk) 00:49, 9 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello,

I wanted to add the following interwiki links, but can’t do so, given the article is protected.

Feel free adapting (both in "Biography" section) if you have the required writing rights:

Daniel [he]

Galia [he]

and also

Keter Publishing House [de] (in "Literary career" section)

and finally

Primo Levi Prize [de] (in "Awards and recognition" section)

Thanks,

2A02:2788:22A:100D:AC46:33B9:B00C:2D62 (talk) 18:18, 9 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Done Freelance-frank (talk) 18:30, 9 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

implied skepticism

Oz is regarded as one of "Israel's most prolific writers and respected intellectuals", as The New York Times worded it in an obituary

"As they worded it"??? Why doesn't it just say: Oz is regarded as one of "Israel's most prolific writers and respected intellectuals"[footnote]? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.121.126.67 (talk) 16:13, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

proof reading

Would you please check the sentence starting like this: "His parents were not religious growing up"! It sounds a little weird to me, but I don't know right now, how to fix it.--XYZ2023 (talk) 07:20, 04 May 2023 (CEST)

  1. ^ "Mount Zion Award 2017". Dormitio.net. Retrieved 23 July 2022.
Quelle: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Amos_Oz