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In https://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2024/11/14/genocide-en-antisemitisme-expert-amos-goldberg-in-gaza-is-een-genocide-gaande-a4873187 the Jewish scholar amos Goldberg rejects the claim that the events in Amsterdam are a progrom. Right now the section only includes a quote by Israeli state officials. We should include something like the following to also represent the other side:

Claims of the events in Amsterdam being a progrom have been widely disputed. Amos Goldberg, Professor of Jewish History at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, stated that: “[The riots in Amsterdam] have nothing to do with the progrom” and “the problem is the genocide in Gaza”. Yoshuawuyts (talk) 01:21, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This article is locked so I can’t edit it directly, but regarding the events in Amsterdam it seems worth quoting the latest statement by Amsterdam’s major Femke Halsema (NOS: Halsema wouldn’t use the word “pogrom” again):

“If Femke Halsema did the press conference a day after Ajax-Maccabi Tel Aviv, she would not use the word 'pogrom' again. The Amsterdam mayor believes that that term has been used as "propaganda" by the Israeli government and Hague politicians, among others. "That's not how I meant it and wanted it," she tells Nieuwsuur.”

This seems relevant because currently the section only includes quotes by Israeli officials — which the Amsterdam city major is directly calling out as being propaganda. Yoshuawuyts (talk) 00:31, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Should not this be pogrom? Dimadick (talk) 12:42, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Are we going to equate every fight where 2 different ethnicities are involved to a, and I quote the article itself, "violent riot incited with the aim of massacring or expelling an ethnic or religious group"?

What is this silliness? A bunchs of tourists and agressive hooligans got attacked, stop abusing the page to call anything involving Jews a pogrom, this word has a deep and terrible meaning and it's stupid to equate a random fight post-match to a massacre and deliberate attempt to kill them 62.77.132.12 (talk) 15:35, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ah yes, I did typo it - thank you for catching that; fixed! Yoshuawuyts (talk) 23:55, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nothing in the source indicates that it wasn't a Pogrom. There's no rule that a Pogrom should be unexpected. The "expectedness" mentioned in the opinion is in the sense that "Hamas was bent on Israel’s destruction". Not a single perpetuator of a Pogrom ever tried to mask their hatred.

What the source claims is that 7/10 is worse than a Pogrom, not that it is not a Pogrom. Noavic (talk) 13:20, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]