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I added in the metropolitan statistical area population in the lead. It's most disingenuous for this article to omit the metropolitan statistical area (MSA) in the lead, citing only the combined statistical area formed with San Jose, one of the nation's ten largest cities (and which has its own separate MSA). All U.S. city articles in WP cite both figures, and the metropolitan statistical area is actually the only urban population listed in other encyclopedias (from Britannica to World Book). Both statistical areas should be called out in the lead and in the infobox; anything else is unencyclopedic boosterism.Mason.Jones (talk) 17:37, 29 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

In the first sentence, remove the grammatically incorrect comma after "of" and before "Northern", changing, "and the cultural, commercial, and financial center of, Northern California." to "and the cultural, commercial, and financial center of Northern California." Jamesrobinson50 (talk) 16:12, 26 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

That isn't incorrect. However, I've repunctuated the sentence to make the construction more clear. Dhtwiki (talk) 05:42, 27 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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To open the debate again, I want to point out that is objectively incorrect to say that is is "colloquially called" San Fran or Frisco inside the city itself or in California. I might be colloquially called such in other parts of the country and world, but the opening statement is still misleading. Hence I think the lede should be amended to specify that such names are used exclusively outside San Francisco itself. Leaving the lede as it is currently is a disservice to the reader, which should be avoided on WIkipedia. Hence I would amend the lede to "San Francisco, officially the City and County of San Francisco and colloquially known as SF or The City,[19][20] is the cultural, commercial, and financial center of Northern California. It is also known as San Fran or Frisco outside of San Fransisco" or something similar to be closer to the truth.Eccekevin (talk) 01:34, 17 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

But also "The City" is so generic as to be meaningless. Sure, people in or around any city in the world might refer to the urban core as "the city," but I don't think it's distinct enough to warrant inclusion here. I propose removing "The City" from the list of nicknames here. Qqqqqq (talk) 14:41, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I grew up in the suburbs of San Francisco. As a kid, San Francisco was usually referrered to as “the city.” I have always recognized “San Fran” or “Frisco” as colloquialisms used amongst tourists, but they are used. I say include them all. KidAd (🗣️🗣🗣) 17:36, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Literally anywhere in the world can refer to their own city as "the city". People here in the Chicago suburbs often refer to downtown as "the city" too. The term is so generic that including it in the lede lacks any real distinguishing factor from what people can call their own city in nearly any other urban area. Unless there's some source that states that people in San Francisco refer to themselves as "the city" more prominently than everywhere else, I vote its exclusion. ɴᴋᴏɴ21 ❯❯❯ talk 20:28, 20 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. Chicago seems to have its share of silly nicknames (Chicagoland, the Second City). Calling San Francisco "the city" is a local colloquialism. (See: SFTravel, SF Examiner, and Curbed SF. "The city" may derive from the longer "[the] city by the bay" label. KidAd (💬💬) 20:42, 20 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I could see keeping San Fran in the lede, but Frisco makes no sense. There's a paragraph dedicated to nicknames and it has its place there, but not in the lede. It's hardly ever used and never in San Francisco itself.Eccekevin (talk) 00:51, 10 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Concur with Eccekevin. No one in the Bay Area uses San Fran or Frisco. It is always SF or the City. --Coolcaesar (talk) 01:19, 10 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I would keep "Frisco" merely because it was used in the past, while possibly making clear, if that's warranted, that its use is in the past. However, whatever you do has to be according to sources. We keep that nickname because the sources we use list it on an equal footing with others. Dhtwiki (talk) 21:23, 11 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I mean, it's a very big city, and we don't want false info, right? --24.173.222.94 (talk) 19:33, 16 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Please excuse and accept my apologies for some clumsiness in my editing on this day. I neglected to give an edit summary which would have said see talk page. It was due to my inadvertent click of the publish button.

I restored accurate and properly sourced edit regarding Portola. Information provided in the Nov 14 edit summary by Firejuggler86--who removed the information--is erroneous. I added salient information with a WP:RS to address the erroneous information.

I am very hesitant to edit a WP:FA and did so with only solid information. An experienced editor should probably review the edit for technical mistakes I may have made. Kind regards to all.Hu Nhu (talk) 04:41, 19 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I think this is too much of a sweeping statement for the lede, as unlike other major metro regions like New York or DC, the Bay Area is disparate and has three major cities, each of which could be considered their own cultural, political and financial centers. Palo Alto rivals SF for concentration of white-shoe law firms, banks, and arguably bests SF for venture capital. Oakland's (and Berkeley's for that matter) cultural and dining attractions rival SF's. Oakland is the center of the African-American community in the region, not SF. Silicon Valley contains most of the Fortune 500 companies in the Bay Area.

Two of the major news affiliates serving the region (Fox and NBC) are stationed in Oakland and San Jose, respectively. Two of the Bay Area's best universities (Stanford and Berkeley) are closer to San Jose and Oakland than they are to SF. Commute patterns in the Bay also aren't SF-centric, as job centers are scattered all over the region. San Francisco contains less than one-tenth of NorCal's population proper, and San Jose is larger than it both in area and size. Oakland is the major port city for the region, not SF.

And this doesn't even touch on Sacramento, which is the cultural/political/financial center of its metro region in its own right. NorCal could even encompass Fresno and Modesto, which are entirely separate areas that don't center their commute patterns around SF and don't have any major connections to it.

I think it would make most sense to call SF a major political, economic and financial center of NorCal. But to call it "the" stretches that very nebulous and controversial concept way too far, and discounts other cities like San Jose, Oakland, Fresno, Sacramento that are centers for their metro areas in their own right. EndlessCoffee54 (talk) 02:18, 11 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]