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:::::::[[User:Muboshgu]], I see that the Deletion Review activity was months ago, and the draft has been substantially expanded since then. The current draft looks quite viable to me, passing my understanding of [[WP:GNG]] with detailed content and solid referencing. I'd be willing to move this to article space, and to discuss it in AfD if nominated. That would enable a structured community discussion from the several editors who are interested in this, instead of the single point of review at AfC. |
:::::::[[User:Muboshgu]], I see that the Deletion Review activity was months ago, and the draft has been substantially expanded since then. The current draft looks quite viable to me, passing my understanding of [[WP:GNG]] with detailed content and solid referencing. I'd be willing to move this to article space, and to discuss it in AfD if nominated. That would enable a structured community discussion from the several editors who are interested in this, instead of the single point of review at AfC. |
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:::::::[[WP:PROTECT]] says protection is appropriate when there is a "specifically identified likelihood of damage resulting if editing is left open". I believe that unprotecting this page would enable healthy activity instead of damage: there's an effort at a carefully-written article with verifiable content, and the question is notability, so let's have a structured and collaborative discussion about notability (which is what AfD is for) instead of scattered conversations in various talk pages. Can you unprotect it so we can give this a try as editors together? [[User:Dreamyshade|Dreamyshade]] ([[User talk:Dreamyshade|talk]]) 22:44, 22 September 2020 (UTC) |
:::::::[[WP:PROTECT]] says protection is appropriate when there is a "specifically identified likelihood of damage resulting if editing is left open". I believe that unprotecting this page would enable healthy activity instead of damage: there's an effort at a carefully-written article with verifiable content, and the question is notability, so let's have a structured and collaborative discussion about notability (which is what AfD is for) instead of scattered conversations in various talk pages. Can you unprotect it so we can give this a try as editors together? [[User:Dreamyshade|Dreamyshade]] ([[User talk:Dreamyshade|talk]]) 22:44, 22 September 2020 (UTC) |
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::::::: To give this draft article and redirect such a high level of protection is absurd. A longtime editor like me can edit the pages of Donald Trump and Joe Biden, but I cannot edit the redirect for Theresa Greenfield. That makes no sense. This draft article is not vandalized, and is not likely to be vandalized. It clearly consistent with the Wikipedia policies on notability and BLP. Theresa Greenfield meets the notability criteria because of the large volume of independent media coverage that her campaign has received. As of right now, September 2020, there is a consensus on this talk page that this draft article should go up in the mainspace. Dreamyshade, myself, BaseballTom, and DemonDays all agree that this is notable. Only Muboshgu and one other think it should not. We must publish this article. [[User:Narayansg|Narayansg]] ([[User talk:Narayansg|talk]]) 23:33, 22 September 2020 (UTC) |
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Draft article
There is a draft of the article at Draft:Theresa Greenfield. KidAd (talk) 03:51, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
Edit request
Could an admin. please add the {{R with possibilities}} template within the Rcat shell? This will put the standard notification of the existence of the draft on the page itself, in addition to the talk page notification above. Also could the section target be changed to #General election, since Greenfield is the major-party nominee and we are in that phase? Thanks, UnitedStatesian (talk) 02:25, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
- Done — xaosflux Talk 03:17, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
- @Xaosflux: you added the rcat subtemplate, thanks; could you also change to section that is targeted, as I requested above? TIA, UnitedStatesian (talk) 04:44, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
Notable
I think this is pretty silly to say that someone who won a primary with like five times the votes of many state representatives (who are all notable), has raised over 10 million dollars, is often leading by a little against a senator, and could very likely determine the balance of the chamber, is not notable. DemonDays64 (talk) 17:36, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
- I agree wholeheartedly. The race is one of the closest in the country and could determine the balance of the Senate. Greenfield is now a nationally known public figure and the draft article is thorough and well-sourced. Moreover, having a full Wikipedia article for the incumbent while blocking a very well-written and edited one for the viable challenger creates an unfortunate, inadvertent platform bias, in which readers can only get vital information about the incumbent. This should be changed ASAP and the draft article for Greenfield should become a Wikipedia article immediately. Baseballtom (talk) 18:00, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
- Also worth noting that the article became a redirect when Greenfield was just a candidate for the primary. Now that she is the Democratic nominee in a contested race, she has undeniably acquired a higher level of notability that clears Wikipedia's threshold by a significant margin. Baseballtom (talk) 18:04, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
- @Baseballtom: who would one ask to unprotect it? DemonDays64 (talk) 18:27, 22 September 2020 (UTC) (please ping on reply)
- This article was redirected by a discussion. It has gone to WP:DRV three separate times with the same result. Drop the stick and move away from the carcass. She'll get an article if she wins. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:20, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
- I'd add that anyone can
start working on an article in draft form if she does wincontribute to the draft article. --Enos733 (talk) 19:29, 22 September 2020 (UTC)- And the draft was submitted and declined eight days ago. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:37, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
- User:Muboshgu, I see that the Deletion Review activity was months ago, and the draft has been substantially expanded since then. The current draft looks quite viable to me, passing my understanding of WP:GNG with detailed content and solid referencing. I'd be willing to move this to article space, and to discuss it in AfD if nominated. That would enable a structured community discussion from the several editors who are interested in this, instead of the single point of review at AfC.
- WP:PROTECT says protection is appropriate when there is a "specifically identified likelihood of damage resulting if editing is left open". I believe that unprotecting this page would enable healthy activity instead of damage: there's an effort at a carefully-written article with verifiable content, and the question is notability, so let's have a structured and collaborative discussion about notability (which is what AfD is for) instead of scattered conversations in various talk pages. Can you unprotect it so we can give this a try as editors together? Dreamyshade (talk) 22:44, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
- To give this draft article and redirect such a high level of protection is absurd. A longtime editor like me can edit the pages of Donald Trump and Joe Biden, but I cannot edit the redirect for Theresa Greenfield. That makes no sense. This draft article is not vandalized, and is not likely to be vandalized. It clearly consistent with the Wikipedia policies on notability and BLP. Theresa Greenfield meets the notability criteria because of the large volume of independent media coverage that her campaign has received. As of right now, September 2020, there is a consensus on this talk page that this draft article should go up in the mainspace. Dreamyshade, myself, BaseballTom, and DemonDays all agree that this is notable. Only Muboshgu and one other think it should not. We must publish this article. Narayansg (talk) 23:33, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
- And the draft was submitted and declined eight days ago. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:37, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
- I'd add that anyone can
- This article was redirected by a discussion. It has gone to WP:DRV three separate times with the same result. Drop the stick and move away from the carcass. She'll get an article if she wins. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:20, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
- @Baseballtom: who would one ask to unprotect it? DemonDays64 (talk) 18:27, 22 September 2020 (UTC) (please ping on reply)
- Also worth noting that the article became a redirect when Greenfield was just a candidate for the primary. Now that she is the Democratic nominee in a contested race, she has undeniably acquired a higher level of notability that clears Wikipedia's threshold by a significant margin. Baseballtom (talk) 18:04, 22 September 2020 (UTC)