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I don't think this page should be moved at all. He has been known as Dr. Eggman, IN ALL NATIONS, ever since Sonic Adventure. Robotnik may be his real name, but Eggman is more like an alter-ego type thing. And most articles of super heroes or villans with alter-ego's, the article is called the alter-ego! UnDeRsCoRe 13:08, 7 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, it doesn't need to be moved. Reguardless of which is his real name or alter-ego or terrorist alias or whatever it is, he is officially refered to as Dr. Eggman in all regions. 71.64.157.161 20:02, 7 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

So, then can we get rid of the move tag? UnDeRsCoRe 20:42, 7 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It should NOT be moved, he is currently refered to as Doctor Eggman everywhere. While his name may well be Robotnik, it's not the name he is identified by, nore is it the name someone from after Sonic Adventure's time would search Wikipedia for. --Zikar 20:48, 7 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

So how do you remove the tag?007kz 22:49, 7 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'll remove it. UnDeRsCoRe 23:26, 7 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to be technical, in ANY English speaking country, he began as Dr. Robotnik on the Megadrive/Genesis since the whole Sega and Sonic thing began, in documentation AND game text(this also includes the Megadrive/Genesis title "Dr Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine" and "Sonic Spinball" as well). I guess the question is: were you first playing video games before or after 1989? Tallaussiebloke 13:26, 15 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

'In Sonic CD, Ivo Robotnik has an odd boss theme that somehow resembles the song "Who Are You?" song from Final Fantasy VII.'

From which version - American or Japanese/European?

I think he means the original one. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.68.179.130 (talk • contribs) .

According to Google:

• "Doctor Eggman" [1] 114

• "Doctor Robotnik" [2] 522

Doctor Robotnik is the more common name for this character in English. Perhaps the page should be moved. What do others think? M123 05:45, 19 Aug 2003 (UTC)

"Dr Eggman" [3] 3,260

"Dr Robotnik" [4] 8,210

Yes, but Doctor Eggman became the dominant name since Sonic Adventure. Before Sonic Adventure, however, this was not the case. Sometimes, he has been referred to as "Doctor Eggman aka Doctor Robotnik", but for the most part, the post-Sonic Adventure games call him "Doctor Eggman" - Whisper

Should this be Dr. Eggman, since his name is almost never seen with "Doctor" spelled out? - The T

I suppose the page should be Dr. Eggman, and in the first paragraph he should be referred to as Dr. Ivo "Eggman" Robotnik. 68.190.167.252 23:37, 26 February 2006 (UTC) Ok peeps, it's official: His English AND Japanese name is officially "Dr. Eggman" now, as shown by this site: http://www.sega.com/gamesite/sonicnext/sonicnext_full/index.php I'm going to change "Dr. Ivo "Eggman" Robotnik" to "Dr. Eggman" now...007kz 04:20, 11 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ok peeps, it's official: His English AND Japanese name is officially "Dr. Eggman" now, as shown by this site: http://www.sega.com/gamesite/sonicnext/sonicnext_full/index.php I'm going to change "Dr. Ivo "Eggman" Robotnik" to "Dr. Eggman" now...007kz 04:21, 11 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

His Grandfather and Maria are still Robotnik, also in Sonic Riders his stuff is made by Robotnik Corp. His Japanese eye catch in Sonic X also calls him EGGMAN (Robotnik). Just because Robotnik isn't mentioned on the site doesn't change the fact it's still part of his name, if nothing else than through his family ties. --Zikar 11:40, 11 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

...so? His official name is still Eggman. It has nothing to do with his relatives. You know how people in REAL LIFE can even change their names? Please, I've given you the most up-to-date evidence, and you give me nothing. Besides, if they considered his real name Robotnik, they would have put Doctor Ivo "Eggman" Robotnik, just like how they put Miles "Tails" Prower on that SAME SITE.007kz 21:29, 11 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Evidence? Poppycock. Also, remember I'm one of the guys who argued for keeping the page Doctor Eggman and not Doctor Robotnik. The fact is that his name IS Robotnik, however he just doesn't go by it. Now before you argue it isn't Robotnik, I once again point you to his Grandfather, Gerald Robotnik, and Sonic Riders of sources of the name Robotnik in post Sonic games, aswell as several instruction manuals. --Zikar 02:05, 12 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, let me put it this way so that you'll understand: His official SURNAME is Robotnik. His official name that he, as well as Sonic Team, goes by is Eggman, as shown CLEARLY on the official site, which has NO TRACE of the name "Robotnik" anywhere. Please don't make me highlight the word "official site"...007kz 06:28, 12 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If you started from word go, you'd know it all began from the English versions of Sonic games. The guy was known as Dr Robotnik, not as just a name, but as that character name only. Every game from 1989 until at least the late 1990s was Dr Robotnik and nothing else at all. Well over 10 games as Robotnik.

SEGA eventually decides to avoid Russians suing for making fun of "nik" names (or some other crazy reason) and they come up with "Eggman" of all names for what's supposed to be a guy who's feared, but this doesn't change the fact that the character's always been known as Dr Robotnik to the English speaking world the world over.

That's like going and changing Lex Luthor's name to "Bald Baddie", or Superman to "Kryptonman". Changing gears from cool sounding to lame sounding when you've called them something else for years is just a crazy thing to do, not to mention it divides the gaming community in some cases.

Now which sounds better: Dr Robotnik or Dr Eggman? Are you likely to be scared by eggs? Not really. But robots? Way scarier. Plus, what does he use at his disposal? Does he egg Sonic to death, or throw dangerous robots at him?

Just a thought: Which sounds better: Koopa or Bowser? And which one stuck? If you guessed Koopa, you're mistaken. Funnily Koopa was Mario's Nemesis' original Japanese name, which was beaten out by Bowser, a name made for US and other English countries, just like Eggman may be SEGA Japan's choice, but if they wanted to make it that, they should have never decided Dr Robotnik would be his English name. Tallaussiebloke 13:53, 15 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No offence man but you're hardly making any sense. Do you even have a point or are you just rambling? --Zikar 17:36, 15 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Haha, this guy thinks that it should be Robotnik just because it "sounds better". Hilarious.007kz 03:28, 16 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think the best thing to please both sides is to call him "Dr. Eggman Robotnik", just like how Sonic the Fighters has him listed. Not as a nickname, but as a legit, full name (however odd).

I would have expected to find a link to the Beatles song here... whose title I can't remember. -FZ 00:19, 5 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I Am the Walrus? Yeah, I thought that too. Cheese 15:21, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Eggman likes a lot of eggs, and his first design have bunny teeth, and looks a little like one. Did sega based him on a Easter Bunny?

While the Archie universe borrows heavily from the SatAM continuity, the two are not one in the same. For example, Ben Hurst(a lead writer for most of SatAM's second season) originally intended Robotnik (Julian) and Snively to hail from a human space expedition that took place nearly a millenia before the current timeline. Nevertheless, this background was never hinted at in the series, and may very well not apply.

In Archie it would appear Robotnik was born and raised within a pre-established Overlander civilization on Mobius (modern title for humans), unlike what was planned for his backstory in SatAM. In Archie, he was born as Julian Kintobor of the house of Ivo (Although his first name was Julian in SatAM, no real last name was given to him before he rechristened himself Robotnik) Julian eventually became a weapons designer during the Great War(another subject borrowed from SatAM, but elaborated upon), and conducted illegal(not to mention immoral) experiments on innocent people to test his prototypes. Authorities eventually caught on to this and Julian was sentenced to death by his own brother, Colin Kintobor. Instead of accepting his fate, he fled to the Mobian border and was taken in by Mobian soldiers. He is then brought before the King of the Mobian faction(King Maximillian Acorn), who grants him amnesty and decides to use his knowledge of their enemies to gain an advantage in the war (which explains why Julian sided with them and became War Minister). I'm uncertain as to when the Great War actually began in Archie, but the conflict was started somewhat due to racial tension and unpleasant dealings over the generations. Apparenty, after the Kingdom of Acorn was victorious, a lot of the remaining humans/Overlanders fled the planet, while others were left behind. Most of those that remained were either abandoned or opted to stay behind. These Overlanders were either hunted down by the newly renamed Ivo Robotnik (now ruler of Mobius), or managed to stay hidden in solitude.

Essentially, the SatAM Robotnik and the Archie Robotnik (aka Julian Kintobor) are the same character. However, in the Archie continuity Julian Kintobor (Dr. Ivo Robotnik) and Dr. Eggman are two different characters. In issue 50, Robotnik met his supposed demise at the hands of his own weapon of mass destruction. Eggman made his premiere appearance in issue 75, where a roboticized Robotnik from an alternate reality (Robo-Robotnik) traveled to Mobius Prime, claiming to have already defeated his version of Sonic. He was destroyed when his orbital space station exploded, but transferred his digital consciousness into another robotic body. In this body, Robo-Robotnik took on the Eggman from the games' likeness and was such redubbed "Dr. Eggman". As such the original Robotnik can be called Robotnik, Ivo Robotnik, and Julian Kintobor, but cannot be called Eggman. Robo-Robotnik on the other hand, can be titled either Eggman, Robotnik, or Robotnik Mach 2. I believe these two characters should be seperated under a SatAM/Archie continuity section. If anyone wants to edit the information presented above and implement it into the article please feel free to do so. --Exor 02:13, 17 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, I'm all for that, I guess. I'll admit I'm more of a games guy, though, where "Robotnik" or "Eggman" are both applicable for the same guy, unlike these other universes. --Shadow Hog 03:45, 17 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Phi should be E-120 not E-121 as the E-100 series robots start with E-100 not E-101 making Phi the 120th robot even though he is the 21st greek letter --I don't have a username 8:03, 23 May 2005

Yes, yes it should. However, Sonic Team goofed on that and Phi really is E-121. - "Tails Ohki" from GameFAQs.

I'm confused. Where in Sonic the Comic does it say anything about Dr Kintobor originally being from Earth? As far as I'm aware, no mention of Kintobor's origin is made, save that he's a scientist trying to rid the planet of evil. Amy and Tekno went to Earth once, but I don't think Kintobor was mentioned in that issue. I could be wrong. -- Supermorff 23:26, 13 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm, I'd have to agree with you that there is no mention of him ever coming from earth... although there are very few other humans on the planet... and I believe Robotnik does have knowledge of earth... but again, it was never expressly said... --Zikar 07:06, 14 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Why is Eggman the fastest racer in Sonic Drift and quite tough even though it means he has low acceleration, low maneuverability, and high top speed? --ZachKudrna18@yahoo.com

Well, there has been somewhat of an edit war in regards to Robotnik's first Sonic robot... myself and several others believe that it's name is Silver Sonic, both Fleetway and Archie continuities have it's name as Silver Sonic however I'm not sure where any official Sega info on the matter would be, although I am almost 100% sure that it IS called Silver Sonic, not Mecha Sonic (Mecha Sonic being a later creation). At any rate I'd like 213.64.127.91 to explain why he keeps editing it to say Mecha Sonic, and what official Sega info he has to back it up, although he hasn't exactly been forthcoming so far. --Zikar 10:32, 1 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

"Silver Sonic" is just a name used in the west. The japanese manual for Sonic the Hedgehog 2 clearly states his name is Mecha Sonic. And the japanese version of Sonic Jam states that the robot in Sonic & Knuckles is the same one as in Sonic the Hedgehog 2.

This is NOT the Japanese language page. The name, unlike Robotnik's, was never refuted or changed by any Sega of America/Europe material, thus, on this English page the name stands as Silver Sonic. --Zikar 22:50, 3 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Fine. But its still the same robot in S2 and S&K. Sonic Jam states that. He was just upgraded between the games. You make it seem like they are two diffrent robots. So i will let the name "Silver Sonic" stay but i will still make it clear that the two robots are in fact the same one.

Here is what i have writen:

His first attempt was Silver Sonic, called Mecha Sonic in Japan, a dismal failure due to the fact that it was the total opposite of the original — slow, unwieldy, big, and stupid. It was later upgraded with a much sleeker and more aggressive design, and it was also faster and able to fly. This later version is often refered to as Mecha Sonic even by non-japanese fans (possibly cause he now became blue in color, instead of silverish gray like ha had ben before, hench the name "Silver Sonic" would not be very fitting anymore).

Isent that a good compromice? I think it is. Lets just keep it that way.

It's a tad unwieldy, gonna streamline it, but the message will be the same. I'm glad we could work this out. --Zikar 10:45, 5 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The problem is that only robot Sonic from the Game Gear game is ever refered to as Silver Sonic, and that's only in America. The Genesis ones aren't named. - "Tails Ohki" from GameFAQs.

They are, just not by sources in English. BTW, the robot from Sonic the Fighters is "Mecha Sonic", in both English and Japanese versions.

I'd like to see some proof that Dr. Eggman was named after the Eggman spoken of in The Beatles' "I Am The Walrus." The source provided is to a Sonic fansite, which itself doesn't state any source. Though the GHZ is oftentimes fairly credible, this statement is extremely weak, and sounds like nothing more than the author's opinion. Given that Eggman was designed by native Japanese speakers in Japan (not to say that they never heard the song, but that it was somewhat less likely), it's highly possible that he was named this simply because he's an egg-shaped man. Something admitting the speculative nature of this statement should probably be added unless a member of Sonic Team has given confirmation. -- Anonymous, 07 Feb 2006 5 I know that's the reason why he wasn't called Eggman until Sonic Adventure in America, but I'm sure it wasn't because it actually WAS because they took it from that song. They just wanted to make sure they weren't sued or anything. - "Tails Ohki" from GameFAQs.

I was under the impression that in the late '80s, Robotnik (a very Russian sounding name) fit for creating an villain in a video game (for the Western world), but the Soviets aren't so threatening now that they don't exist. I have absolutely no basis for this. Anyone? Steve McLinden 07:50, 8 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. If you mean to add something like that to the artical, then I'd say no, since there is nothing to suggest that, that was why they named him Robotnik. --Zikar 11:32, 8 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, I agree with Steve. It was a U.S. name given to a Japanese character right? And further; he's wearing red, this may have inspired a Russian sounding name during the time of Communist Russia. Adding this to the article is no less viable than the citationless "name inspired by the Beatles song I Am The Walrus" after all; it's just as intuitive and makes as much sense 67.5.158.239 04:25, 20 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Robotnik is actually Polish. It was probably intended to be Russian, though. The fact that it happens to have the words "Robot" and "nik" is probably coincidental. The Polish word "Robotnik" means "Worker". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 208.101.147.198 (talk • contribs) .

ROBOTNIK! R O B O T N I K! - A Clown in the Dark 19:11, 4 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No, Robotnik was just Eggman's name in the United States to avoid copyright violations. In Japan, the villain was always known as Dr. Eggman. In Sonic Adventure, the dubbed version has the characters call him Robotnik and Eggman. Finally, a compromise made his full name Dr. Eggman Robotnik. Robotnik is the family name, Eggman is his first name. The first name of Ivo isn't used anymore, so it's safe to say that it's no longer canon. Shadoman, 10 March 2006

As much as I hate the name "Eggman" it is his official name currently in all regions. --Zikar 20:41, 11 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Something cannot stop being canon. It either is, or it isn't. There is no was. I move that we make the Doctor Eggman page redirect to a Doctor Robotnik page with the exact same information, instead of the other way around.

216.229.65.178 07:44, 5 August 2006 (UTC)2:44 AM 8/5/2006[reply]

It was also the name in all of Europe aswell before they decided to change it to suit the 'fox kids bad attempt at anime' generation... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.39.52.119 (talk • contribs)

It is, in fact, his original name, since the game was developed in, and released first, in America (by a team consisting of Japanese and American), then Europe, then Japan. They all had different backstories and they were all official (I personally love the Kintobor story :)) it just happens that some stories have been continued and some have not. The name of the article I think should be Robotnik, it is (as far as I know still) the English language name, and this is an English language site. What is his name in the latest Sonic game manual? How exactly does it appear? --SnakeSeries 20:06, 27 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sega seems to be really incosistant with his name. On Sega's website they use both names. Considering that his grandfather is Gerald Robotnik and and ??? is Maria Robotnik, I think this page should be re-named "Dr. Robotnik" and have Doctor Eggman redirect to it. TJ Spyke 20:16, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The fact that he is virtually always called Dr. Eggman in the manuals and games, and the fact he himself calls himself Eggman... and it's "The Eggman Empire", "Eggmanland" etc, makes me want to say that Wikipedia should continue to use Eggman when refering to him. While Robotnik seems to be his actual surname, "Dr. Eggman" seems to be his adopted moniker that he goes by... and the fact that the games no longer refrence him as Robotnik means that we should continue to use Eggman. --Zikar 16:58, 5 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sega's English website says his name is Robotnik, and Sonic The Hedgehog was released here first. WP policy also says to use the official ENGLISH name. TJ Spyke 02:07, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

^Elistist

The official English name is now Eggman. It USED to be Robotnik but was changed, also can you link to this mention of Robotnik on the official site? It is (however stupid) Dr. Eggman. Oh wait, you mean in relation to your recent edit, I thought you wanted it to not mention Eggman at all or something... --Zikar 04:12, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

His real name is Dr. Ivo Robotnik, and he is nicknamed Eggman (which, from his point of view, has to be better than Sonic's other monkier for him, that being "Dr. Robuttnik.") Though the nickname "Eggman" started as Sonic making fun of him, Dr. Robotnik now prefers to refer to himself as Dr. Eggman. So, he's known as Dr. Ivo "Eggman" Robotnik. That's the bottom line, and it's been Sega's explanation ever since Sonic Adventure. So, please, just get over it. --Luigifan 22:50, 18 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This article is way to long ans tiresome to read. I suggest we make the entire "Creations"-section into its own article, perhapes just called "Eggman's Creations"? I dont know how to to it, so could anyone else do it please?

I agree, I'm going to start cleaning up some stuff. --Zikar 22:49, 13 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Excuse me, but why are the different incarnations of Robotnik listed under a different article entitled "Unofficial Robotnik Incarnations"? What is so "unofficial" about them?--Exor 01:30, 5 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I knew that page's title would cause controversy as soon as I saw it. I've changed the article to "alternate Robotnik incarnations." I know some particularly staunch Archie/DiC fans will still be likely to dispute it, but I personally think it's the fairest solution to shortening this article, if only for the time being. The rendition created by the original Sonic Team staff is the first, the root for all later versions (which are nonetheless official, I agree), as well as the one most commonly called "Dr. Eggman," so I'd say it's the most logical and convenient thing we can do until a better compromise can be figured out. Ideas are welcome. --Matt S. 17:36, 10 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

His name is technicaly eggman, as that was infact his original name.--Ac1983fan (talk • contribs)

Actually, he name was and still is Robotnik officially. "Eggman" is just his nickname, but it's become so common that even Sega calls him that sometimes. TJ Spyke 20:18, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong. In Japan, the character has always been known as "Dr. Eggman". For the American and European releases of the Mega Drive Sonic games, they "renamed" him Dr. Robotnik. The Japanese have trouble spelling "Robotnik" right. In the introduction for Sonic the Fighters, it says "REVENGE OF DR. ROBOTONIC", and in Sonic Mega Collection, it repeatedly (sp?) calls him "Dr. Robotonik". In Sonic Adventure, some characters refer to him as "Robotnik" throughout the English release, but Sonic, Tails, Knuckles and Amy call him Eggman. Starting with Sonic Adventure 2, "Robotnik" is a surname and Eggman is his real name. Case closed. Shadoman 18:25, 28 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

How was he renamed for American audiences when the first Sonic game came out in NORTH AMERICA first? If anything, that means they renamed him for Japan. Eggman may be what they call him most now, but it's still just his NICKNAME. TJ Spyke 23:30, 2 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

...do you even READ other people's posts before you post your own?007kz 02:44, 7 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Here are some quotes I found in the article which led me to set the unreferenced tag:

• The "SegaSonic" continuity, as it is known by fans, (known by fans?)
• Although Eggman's mental stability is questionable, (who questions his mental stability?)
• is generally thought of as the "official" storyline. (according to...?)
• strangely called Silver Sonic in the English manual (why strangely?)
• Eggman's most successful and persistent Sonic copy to date is Metal Sonic. (according to...?)
• The following versions of the Death Egg are not considered to be within the Death Egg Saga (according to...?)
• Whether his personality is changed, in addition to his general look, remains to be seen, (this just looks like original research)
• It has been said by SEGA that Eggman will not be the primary villain in the Wii-exclusive title Sonic and the Secret of the Rings (When? Where?)

Please keep the tag until the article is referenced. There are currently two and a few inline links for such a massive article. -- ReyBrujo 19:11, 27 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

just why? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 213.200.164.254 (talk • contribs) .

-Because every game needs a villain. Shadoman 16:45, 4 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I remember reading one source explaining that he wants to take over the world because he sees the United Federation as a corrupt and inefficient form of government, and thinks he can do better. Dr. Wikipedian 07:28, 27 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That was in a Sonic X episode where everyone thought he was a hero and he told those robots that, I think. UnDeRsCoRe 20:43, 27 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Nah, that wasn't it. Dr. Wikipedian —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.192.13.13 (talk • contribs) .

Eggman thinks the world would be a robotic utopia if he ruled it,but as one sees in Sonic CD,his Eggman empire ends being a total failure,even his own robots are falling apart. Delsait

Do you think a picture of the Death Egg should be added? 83.252.141.108 03:00, 10 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I know nobody would ever want to actually be with him, but is there any possibity he may or could have one? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.109.69.84 (talk • contribs) .

I do remember an episode of Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog involved Robotnik trying to stop someone names Lucas marrying his childhood love, Lucinda, so he could marry her himself. Lucinda was uninterested, and eventually Sonic stopped the plan and she got married to Lucas. I don't really think it constitutes its own place in the article, however, and I sadly can't find any sources confirming this at this current moment in time. Supremesonic 17:01, 1 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have that episode on VCR, and I've seen it, so I can confirm what Supremesonic is saying. The name of the episode is "Best Hedgehog". A quote by Sonic from that episode: "You take care of the bad hair, Tails. I'll take care of the bad 'Nik!" --Luigifan 00:32, 9 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

In the Sonic Anime movie,Eggman has a crush on the mayors daughter Sera. Delsait

Eggman-nega is Eggman's descendant, so he is got to meet woman some time, just unknown when he meet her.

the sonic heroes manual says he is "romantic" and a "feminist", but its still unkown if he has any special feelings for someone. -the swede (non wikipedian) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 213.200.164.254 (talk • contribs) .

Just out of curiousity, which manual listed him as 28? I think it needs a source. Last I heard, he was once listed as 40... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 208.101.147.198 (talk • contribs) .

I think we should attach him to anti-heroes. Just because he doesn't help at all in the old series, he's been one heck of a big help out for the gang, and ever since the Sonic Adventure generation, he's lost the title of main villain. SoundPound500000 October 17, 2006 1:30 am

Name one time he's done anything that would classify him as an anti-hero? Not being the main bad guy doesn't mean he's become "good". --Zikar 21:01, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Eggman has become "less evil", according to Sega, but he has not become a good guy, or even an anti-hero. He's still considered a villain. --Luigifan 21:17, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

So what, Shadow shoots and kicks people up-side the head and you don't see him as an official villain so why would Eggman, he knows everything the gang needs to know and he doesn't mind sharing his thoughts when in good mode, he done so much for the team and it doesn't matter if he goes back to bad at the end, he's only human and is the grandson of a good man and the cousin of a great person and helped saved the world, oh I don't know how about 4 TIMES IN A ROW!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah, Mr. Anonymous Guy... You have a point about Shadow, but Eggman's still a villain. He has, as I mentioned, become less evil, but he is still evil. He only really saves the world because he can't conquer it if it gets destroyed!!!! --Luigifan 22:44, 18 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Eggman is the series main villain, even if he gets betrayed and the end of each game nowadays. 83.252.141.112 21:22, 20 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, A guy who attempts to eradicate an entire planet into extinction is evil. We all saw him laughing his head off when he thought the eclispe cannon would fire;laughing at the approaching slaughter of billions of people is not in an anti hero characteristic. Let's not forget the fact that he said that he would've crashed ARK into earth had he'd been given the chance; but the fact was he was stuck in the colony so he had to save his skin. He's not an idiot and knows that Sonic and his gang have abilities that will enable him to save himself. Chaos flooding the city was his fault; even if Chaos did betray him Robotnick would've had him do it anyway. Blowing up an entire island, and it's implied that many people were still on it, shows him as a mass murderer. There is good in him; he's human, but that is greatly overweighted by his attmepts of mass murder and destruction. Um, so yes he's DEFIANTLY a villain.- DarknessofHeart —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.115.34.186 (talk • contribs) .

Robotnik does not want to destroy the world. How would would he take over the world if their was no Earth. Anyway he was probably going to blow up a country or station square with the eclipse cannon. Still a totally horrible and atrocious thing to do but its not destroying the entire Earth,he needs that for his eggman empire. Delsait

Shadow said that the cannon would destroy an entire planet when fired when he contained all seven emeralds. I don't think that it would literally destroy the planet like the death star from star wars did, but rather destroy the things ON the planet. Robonik does not care for the people, he only wants the planet itself so he could transform it into a an empire where he would rule and have complete control over it. The same went for his plot in the first sonic adventure, he wanted to use Chaos to destroy Station Squere which would of murdered all the people so he could turn it into his empire. This further supports the fact that he does not care for the people and only wants the places themselves to rule over. The same goes for the missle he shot in sonic adventure. In fact, if you play the stage where you need to beat him to the missle, if he is close to it, he'll say " I'll take this whole city with me." That means that he was willing to sacrifice his own life in order to destroy an entire city and murder millions. But, your probably right that he was attempting to destroy only a country, but I'm just saying the cannon wouldn't destroy the earth to the point where it's blasted out of exsitence. Also, he said he would've crashed ARK into the planet, which more or less would have the same effect as the cannon firing at the entire planet. Mmmmmm, when you really think about it, Robonik is very, very evil when he wants all this destruction and mass murder.- Darknessofheart

When did he say he wanted the crash the ark into the earth,I don't remember him saying that? Anyone Eggman wants people on the people for his eggman empire,a world leader can't just rule over robots. Anyone more then anything Eggman is crazy and unpredictable,which is why one minute he's planning to blow up a country,the next hosting a hoverboard tournament in a nonsensical plot to get the Chaos emeralds. Delsait

In sonic adventure 2 when knuckles accusses him of starting ARK on its' crash course, he's says " I would've done this a long time ago if I had the chance." Also, who says he can't rule without people. The guy loves robots and may want to control the world and everything in it, so robots would be very suitable for that. He also started by attemtping to take over south island in the first games which seemed to be only occupied by animals, and his goal was to turn them all into robots, so he wouldn't mind just as long as he has control over the world. Maby he hates people, who knows.- Darknessofheart

I disagree, It's not known what he meant by that quote(the player was meant to suspect him at that point),besides if he really wanted the earth to be destroyed he would have just left in an escape pod. remember how suprised he was that his grandfather was going to destroy the earth,even Eggmans not crazy enough to want to destroy the earth(He wants the Eggman empire on earth,and if he didn't,where would he live,one can't live in a space station forever. the way his quote was said you could tell he obviously did want the earth to be destroyed,part of it on the other hand...... Delsait

I don't think there was a way to escape the colony. There was no evidence that he could've gotten away. Also if he escaped where would he go? He can't go back to earth or else he would've died. He even questions at the end if Gerald meant to destroy them when the ARK would crash. This kinda suggests that Eggman had no way of escaping. This is really futile to discuss as we really don't have alot of evidence of what Eggman would and wouldn't do. I see your point though and my say would be he's a combination of everything that has been dicussed. He wants the planet, but wouldn't mind destroying parts of it like a city or country as you said before.- Darknessofheart —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.115.34.186 (talk • contribs) .

For the record, he also says outright that he does not want Earth to be destroyed when Emerl aims the Final Egg Blaster in Sonic Battle. 217.198.150.144 09:34, 13 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The plain FACT is that he WAS only known as Ivo Robotnik in the EARLY English manuals, and NONE of the later ones, so STOP DELETING IT. Also, starting from SA2, his name was changed to Dr. Eggman in all the English games. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.212.191.119 (talk • contribs) .

Is the same pic of Eggman in two different places? And is it possible to center the 1st pic of Eggman? It seems kinda off-center? BlackEDGE MkII 22:30, 15 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Don't you think that there should now be an Eggman Nage page? Seeing as he will be a prominent figure in Sonic Rivals and there seems to be more than meets the eye...

Just wondering if there's any point? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by BeccaH313 (talk • contribs) .

yes absolutly —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Anton the Swede (talk • contribs).

Not to sound like a pest, but are there any pictures of Robotnik from the TV series? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.31.154.129 (talk • contribs).

"In one episode of the American animated series Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog Tails said "Guess again EGGMAN!" to Robotnik, which is how the idea came from." I REALLY doubt his name came from a random insult thrown in the US cartoon.--HellCat86 15:15, 3 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I thought that his name came from the Japanese versions of the games. Wasn't he called "Eggman" in Japan? DeathGodDragon EDGE 00:31, 8 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

in sonic the hedgehog 2006, what was his eye color —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Anton the Swede (talk • contribs) 17:02, 31 December 2006 (UTC).[reply]

Blue. --Zikar 13:48, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Typical. Sonic Team is gettin' lazy. ChromeWulf ZX 20:34, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Can someone post a screenshot or two of Eggman from Sonic Rivals (and please make it a good one)? Thanks in advance. -Chao9999 13:37, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]