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Crimes are not genocide. Genocidal crimes are not genocide either. I see no sense in this sort of POV pushing. '''[[User:Sadko|<span style="color:#EE8833;">Sadkσ</span>]]''' [[User talk:Sadko|<span style="color: #000000;">(talk is cheap)</span>]] 19:13, 18 January 2020 (UTC) |
Crimes are not genocide. Genocidal crimes are not genocide either. I see no sense in this sort of POV pushing. '''[[User:Sadko|<span style="color:#EE8833;">Sadkσ</span>]]''' [[User talk:Sadko|<span style="color: #000000;">(talk is cheap)</span>]] 19:13, 18 January 2020 (UTC) |
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:You claim several sources refute genocide. But provide none. You claim this is POV pushing. But it seems you are POV pushing here. Another editor here agreed with it remaining on the list. As well as another. That’s three editors vs you. But you boldy made the decision yourself anyway. [[Special:Contributions/74.101.190.2|74.101.190.2]] ([[User talk:74.101.190.2|talk]]) 17:16, 8 March 2020 (UTC) |
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The genocide that created the word Genocide
I find it very ironic that the killing that inspired the creation of the word genocide is not even listed - Simele Massacre— Preceding unsigned comment added by Chaldean (talk • contribs) 07:09, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
- A massacre is not genocide. Darkness Shines (talk) 18:49, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
- As an addendum, the Simele Massacre did not 'inspire' the creation of the term 'genocide'. The issue of Lemkin's coining of the term has been discussed at length on the talk pages of a number of articles, and such presumptions have been understood as WP:SYNTH. Also note that this is a template talk page, not a forum for personal advocacy. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 20:56, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
Protected edit request on 11 October 2017
In the template, there are (by my count) seven hyphens in date ranges, which should be changed to en dashes. Would you please be so kind as to make these corrections? —DocWatson42 (talk) 06:17, 11 October 2017 (UTC) DocWatson42 (talk) 06:17, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
- Not done for now: Would you mind making the changes to Template:Genocide/sandbox and I will copy them over? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 07:13, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
- @MSGJ: I just saw this, and have performed the edits. —DocWatson42 (talk) 09:15, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
- @DocWatson42: sorry but in the meantime there have been numerous changes to the live template so I can't copy that over or other changes would be lost. However the live template is only semi-protected so you can make the changes yourself. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:08, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
- @MSGJ: Done—thanks. ^_^ —DocWatson42 (talk) 11:17, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
- @DocWatson42: sorry but in the meantime there have been numerous changes to the live template so I can't copy that over or other changes would be lost. However the live template is only semi-protected so you can make the changes yourself. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:08, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
- @MSGJ: I just saw this, and have performed the edits. —DocWatson42 (talk) 09:15, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
Protected edit request on 3 November 2017
Please add Darfur genocide, and why on earth is this template protected? Darkness Shines (talk) 03:54, 3 November 2017 (UTC) Darkness Shines (talk) 03:54, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
- @Ymblanter: — xaosflux Talk 04:22, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
- @Darkness Shines: I template-protected it because editors (including extended confirmed) were constantly making POV edits. I have just reduced the protection to semi, we will see how it develops. I am not very hopeful though.--Ymblanter (talk) 05:46, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
- Thanks, I will add the new article, I noticed a lot of stuff in there that ain't genocide, I will also start a discussion about those. Darkness Shines (talk) 08:37, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
- @Darkness Shines: I template-protected it because editors (including extended confirmed) were constantly making POV edits. I have just reduced the protection to semi, we will see how it develops. I am not very hopeful though.--Ymblanter (talk) 05:46, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
Various articles have no place here
Polish Operation of the NKVD (1937–38) Katyn massacre, 1940 Deportation of the Crimean Tatars, 1944 Deportation of the Chechens and Ingush, 1944–48
These are not gencodes, why were they added? Darkness Shines (talk) 08:42, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
Lebensraum and Nazi genocide of Slavs, 1939-45 Nazi crimes against ethnic Poles, 1939–45 Nazi crimes against Soviet Civilians, 1941–45 Nazi crimes against Soviet POWs, 1941–45
None of these are genocides either. Darkness Shines (talk) 08:45, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
Why is the ongoing Rohingya genocide in Myanmar not mentioned?
It is an organized effort to extinguish a people and so deserves to be mentioned on the template. 67.80.164.161 (talk) 23:37, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
- It's not a genocide Darkness Shines (talk) 09:49, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
- The persecution of the Rohingya is not an "intentional action to destroy a people in whole or in part"? I find that hard to believe. Uglemat (talk) 10:09, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 14 December 2017
Please, remove the contents related Manifest Destiny, Indian Removal, 1830s, California Genocide, 1848–1873, Tierra del Fuego indians massacre, 1890s–1900s and the European colonization of the Americas of the |content2 =
because Wikipedia is ideological neutral and its content must be ideologically neutral, in addition to the fact that the massacres of American Indians occurred in the 19th century are not recognized as genocides in a neutral and official sphere but only in an ideological sphere, if it has to recognize the decimation of Indians as genocide, why they do not recognize the decimation of Great Andamaneses as genocide, in 2010 there were only 52 Great Andamaneses left, while there were still many Native Americans left in the American continent in 2010 and regarding the removal of the title of the content of the part concerning the Genocide of the indigenous peoples is not only for the reason of a neutral encyclopedia and also because the reported genocides happened in Europe and Asia between 1750 and 1923 and has no relation with the slaughter of Indians of the Americas and did not take place between 1492 and 1700.
186.204.9.214 (talk) 19:30, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
- Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 22:02, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 6 March 2018
Please change "Final Solution" to "Final Solution regarding European Jews" because that will make it consistent with the other entries in this subset; and please change "Porajmos" to "Porajmos against Romani" because this will make it consistent with the other entries in this subset. If articles within Wikipedia, itself, are considered reliable sources, then I cite the text in the body of the main entry in the "Genocide" entry. If this is not acceptable, I don't know where to begin because there are so many relevant sources -- so I would appreciate your editor pick one, please. Note: this side bar appears on other pages (pages other than "Genocide") in Wikipedia, so I am requesting that the master be changed. Thank you. AlpFund (talk) 07:48, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
- Not done: Links do not have to be consistent within subsections of templates. The links are the actual titles of the articles to which they refer and those article titles are governed by WP:NAME. To change the presentation of the links on this sidebar without changing the article titles is not sensible. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 23:28, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
so large
Why is it so large? - Devlet Geray (talk) 19:19, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
Hazara Genocide?
should the persecution of Hazaras from 1888-1893 be included in this list?
Inclusion of Soviet repressions
In regards to the contents in diff, most scholars do not see Soviet repressions as meeting the UN definition of Genocide (many of them do meet the definition of ethnic cleansing or mass killing). Some items on the subsection have no acceptance and others very little acceptance. The sole exception on the list is Holodomor which has wider but still quite contested - but we already link to Holodomor genocide question at the top. By placing these items in the template, we are suggesting they are genocide while most scholarship does not see it as such. Icewhiz (talk) 13:16, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
- Provide support for your assertion. The sources for the opposite view are already in the respective articles.Volunteer Marek (talk) 13:20, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
- To the contrary, the respective articles do not support genocide - they support (for some of them) a minority view (often national-political bodies) of genocide, while stating that stating that the majority view is otherwise. Icewhiz (talk) 13:34, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
Chetnik crimes against Bosniaks and Croats
Crimes are not genocide. Genocidal crimes are not genocide either. I see no sense in this sort of POV pushing. Sadkσ (talk is cheap) 19:13, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- You claim several sources refute genocide. But provide none. You claim this is POV pushing. But it seems you are POV pushing here. Another editor here agreed with it remaining on the list. As well as another. That’s three editors vs you. But you boldy made the decision yourself anyway. 74.101.190.2 (talk) 17:16, 8 March 2020 (UTC)