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excuse me, but most people i know who have listened to my chemical romance agree that the vocals are the best part. i didnt know mcr was famous for bass guitar?!- xanythingxbutxthatxonex |
excuse me, but most people i know who have listened to my chemical romance agree that the vocals are the best part. i didnt know mcr was famous for bass guitar?!- xanythingxbutxthatxonex <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:70.41.85.28|70.41.85.28]] ([[User talk:70.41.85.28|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/70.41.85.28|contribs]]){{#if:02:09, 3 December 2006 (UTC)| 02:09, 3 December 2006 (UTC)|}}.</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> |
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Commentary on the storyline for The Black Parade
All of this needs to be deleted. It is OR, unsourced and conflicts with commentary in sourced media (for example, NME says that the Patient dies during Dead!). Until you can source it, it does not belong on Wikipedia. Period. --Jamdav86 18:30, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
Alt. Metal?
Is MCR Alternative Metal? Famous last words sounds similar to Animal I Have Become by Three Days Grace. I think they might have a few other songs that may be alt. metal. íslenskur fellibylur #12 (samtal) 01:01, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
- Find a source and then you can add it. --Jamdav86 17:23, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
- Yes, add it in the subgenre section however, since the only main genre we have now is Alternative rock. Orfen User Talk | Contribs 21:36, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
I can't find a source. How many songs would fit under this genre? íslenskur fellibylur #12 (samtal) 02:13, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
- Three Days Grace are not alternative metal. My Chemical Romance are not alternative metal, and I do not believe anyone has ever described them as such. --Switch 23:22, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
Well I have seen some songs on Metal compilation Cd's, and I read an article today which described them as 'metal tinged'. It was in a magazine though... Kokiri kid 07:45, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
- They do have a metal influence, but so do The Smashing Pumpkins, Pearl Jam and other alternative rock bands that aren't alternative metal. I don't think CD compilations count as sources, unless Hilary Duff suddenly became punk while I wasn't looking... --Switch 08:12, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
Ahah. Touché ;) Kokiri kid 08:58, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
Bottled
I think the fact that anyone would disrespect the band that much, doesn't know to much about respect. If they didn't want to listen to MCR play they should've just went somewhere else. They should be ashamed of theirselves for doing that to a band that comes to play a show just for them and in return they get bacon and stuff thrown on them. I think whoever was there and disrespected MCR should all just go to hell. This just pissed me off so much to hear about something like that happening to MCR. - MyChemical 8:16, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
- Please, Wikipedia is not a publisher of original thought. It is not a discussion forums. I am glad you are enthusiastic about the band, however, Wikipedia is not the place to discuss this as we must try and keep a neutral point of view. Thank you. Orfen User Talk | Contribs 21:57, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
My Chemical Romance are not Alternative Metal. Perfect Circle and Tool are good examples of Alternative metal. My Chemical Romance are emo—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Craig231 (talk • contribs) 10:02, 14 November 2006.
Fanfiction
I could have sworn there was a topic already about this, but I went through the archive and couldn't find it. Is the "Fanfiction" information necessary? I don't think it is. I'm wondering what the argument is on keeping it. Perhaps it could be limited to a link to the fanfiction page stating that there is fanfiction written about them and not all the fans approve. I think that states it pretty well if it must be mentioned.--Jude 15:32, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
- The reason that I always kept and reverted removal was because it is sourced criticism which we had a lot of problem getting a little while ago. Also, it does show how some of MCR's fans can be obsessed and might not like just the music, which could also be an arguement to the "sell-out" thing. I did try and clean it up earlier because there was a lot more specifics, but I feel if we don't add specific stories or something then it should be ok. However, I do see how it could be considered for deletion, so I think we should maybe come to some agreement as to if we should keep it or not since it has been contested in the past. Orfen User Talk | Contribs 23:22, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
wow.
oaky i recentley herd that my chem was going to do an anamitaed musical for the black parade album. i have no idea where to put it cauz this page repeats itself way to much so i leave it to you folks to do.Oh yeah..havent you people ever herd of archiveing your discussion page?Razor romance 14:14, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
- We need a source if we are going to add it. I will archive the page again right now since the genre thing is sort of over now that we decided to do it the sourced way. Orfen User Talk | Contribs 18:46, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
An brief interview with G. Way in NME indicatd that he would like to put the Black Parade into another medium. Musicals and animated films were discussed, but nothing concrete was confirmed. --Jamdav86 17:34, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
Under Pressure
"In recent months, however, the two lead singers of both bands seem to have had a fallout due to disagreements over the addition of "Under Pressure" to In Love and Death. " Is it still recent months though? It's been a while in my opinion, could we change it to something more appropriate? Kokiri kid 07:51, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
"Disputed genres" section
I went ahead and changed the infobox and created a Genre disputes and influences section linking from it. Please do some research and add more subgenres the band has been labelled/have labelled themselves or more influences the band has cited, as well as adding some citations to the subgenres currently there. Thanks. --Switch 05:12, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
- Great! It may look crappy at the moment, but this is the sort of thing that should grow. Citations for every genre please, and multiple citations are welcomed. --Jamdav86 17:28, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
- I've quickly added a couple of citations. However, they've apparently made over their site for the new album, removing the part of the site in which they described themselves as "rock" and "violent, dangerous pop", and I can't find a mirror anywhere. There are several other pages that describe the band using that phrase, but most are wiki mirrors, and none of the others point out that the band themselves said it. So I don't know how to add a citation for that now. --Switch 09:55, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
- Moving this to the current page, because this section still needs a lot of work. --Switch 08:15, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
- I've quickly added a couple of citations. However, they've apparently made over their site for the new album, removing the part of the site in which they described themselves as "rock" and "violent, dangerous pop", and I can't find a mirror anywhere. There are several other pages that describe the band using that phrase, but most are wiki mirrors, and none of the others point out that the band themselves said it. So I don't know how to add a citation for that now. --Switch 09:55, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
Moved from page
Are these still needed?
- ^ "Teen Titans" — Rolling Stone (2005-07-14)
- Rolling Stone Counter Reference
- ^ Billboard Chart Positions
--Jamdav86 12:44, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
- Only if you can find what info in the article came from each of these. íslenskur fellibylur #12 (samtal) 19:09, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
That's the point, the links didn't work while they were on the page. --Jamdav86 19:25, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
- How about a few months ago. I remember converting most of those to refs over the summer and couldn't fix those, so I left them because I thought maybe they got accidentally deleted. íslenskur fellibylur #12 (samtal) 01:18, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
Really crazy genre solution
Okay, this is really stupid, but I feel I just need to get it out, here's my idea on how to solve this genre dispute. So, a lot of people have thought that MCR are basically a separate genre of music or whatever, so maybe that can become official. All someone needs to do is, if anyone knows MCR or can contact them, maybe through myspace or whatever, then they need to tell MCR to say on their myspace or somewhere that would be considered official that they are whatever genre name someone thinks up. I was thinking of "chemical rock". Sounds cool, so yea. Then we can have a source of the genre and that would basically be their genre and we could also make an article for whatever genre they decide to call themselves. Weird, I know, but it's not any weirder than I am. :) íslenskur fellibylur #12 (samtal) 02:42, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
Well in some magazines I've read recently, like Alternative Press, Guitar World, and one other one I forget the name of, they really don't care what they are considered by the scene. So, people can just have their personal opinions on what they think the band is considered. --MyChemical 19:59, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
- The only problem with this is that MCR can't really decide what genre they are. If someone created this new genre they would have to be a well respected and reliable source. Our main sources for the genre at the moment are basically reviews. Basically maybe a journalist or some musical historian I guess. I'm not sure what would be considered reliable for creating a new genre. However, if a new genre is needed I think there needs to be more bands to apply to that genre before it is made "official". I am not saying that your idea is bad or something, I just am saying that it doesn't I guess work. We can't just make something up and MCR can't make it up either. I think the best way is to keep going with what we have now, list Alternative rock as the main and then have a list for all disputed subgenres with sources. I mean I guess if you can find a reliable source with some new genre for them you can list them, but it sort of looks like you want to create a new genre which doesn't quite work because of original research. Orfen User Talk | Contribs 21:26, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
- There are similar bands, but if MCR are unique enough to belong to their own, new genre, then there probably aren't any bands similar enough to also belong to that genre, as they would have to sound almost exactly the same. And no two bands are identical.
- There have been other genre-bending bands in the past, but we aren't allowed to create (or arrange the creation of) neologisms. In fact, bands should only be referred to using already established genres, so the new term would have to be learly defined (more than just "What My Chemical Romance play") and used in several musi journals before it would be of any use. We're meant to be iforming people what the band sound like; if all that is essentially said is "They play MCROCK" (for example) and MCROCK is defined as "What MCR plays", then we aren't giving any information. --Switch 12:25, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
When it comes to genre disputes, my philosophy is to list the overarching genre that everyone can agree on. We can all agree My Chemical Romance is a "rock" band, right? Then simply list "rock" in the infobox. The particular subgenres that may or may no apply are of lesser importance in the greater picture. "Rock" or "alternative rock" has instant recognition value for people who may not know much about music. Remember, the goal is not necessarily to be specific, but to give the casual reader context for a clear understanding. WesleyDodds 22:14, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
Why do people even care about what genre MCR is considered? It should be simple, either you like their music or not. It shouldn't matter what genre they are because, they doesn't help with anything. --MyChemical 03:35, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
- Because people want to know what they sound like. A band's genre categorization should have nothing to do with whether or not people like them. WesleyDodds 03:49, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
- Although it still does. Also, the genre is used for better categorization and organization of bands. It's just some people feel strongly about genres so they don't want certain bands they don't like in their genre. Or people feel strongly about a band and don't want a band in a certain genre because it makes them uncool or whatever. I feel however, that our current way that we have is the best we are going to get. We have all subgenres sourced and a main genre everyone can agree with. Orfen User Talk | Contribs 05:25, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
- I agree, Orfen, except that I would say "supposed genres", as it's clear no-one can agree that they belong to any of those. -Switch t 05:50, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
The "genre" argument has been tedious enough without now proclaiming MCR have invented some new kind of genre! Christ, they're good, but to say they've come up with a brand new sound is pushing it just a bit. Also, the suggestion that we ask MCR what genre they want on the listing is possibly just as insane - it's an encyclopedia not a press release! Why don't we ask Saddam Hussein how he wants to be described on his entry!?
As mentioned above, and several times previous, they are clearly a "Rock" band, and that is more than sufficent. ??:??, ?? November 2006 (UTC)
I think they're just a huge mix of genres, such as post-hardcore, punk rock, alternative rock and emo. MCR definitely can't be categorized as just one genre. 15:44, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
Mikey
Okay, I only edited it on the actual Mikey Way page, but let it be known here. Mikey DID NOT learn bass in order to be in MCR. If you've seen Life on the Murder Scene then you should note that Mikey said "Since a young age I [he] wanted to make music that effected peoples lives". It is also stated that Mikey was in several bands before MCR, even one with Gerard, and was playing bass.
So can we bear this in mind?
- I also thought about this as well when I read it, however there was a source so I did not change it. I remember Gerard saying something on Life on the Murder Scene saying that they had always been in bands together with Mikey on bass. Orfen User Talk | Contribs 23:54, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
The Used
Have MCR acknowledged that the occurrence of 'Used' in their music video is a nod to the band of the same name, rather than mere coincidence? Since it is a pretty common word, I think it should be noted that its appearing in the video is probably just coincidental. In fact, I have to question whether it has any real significance at all and whether it shouldn't just be removed altogether. --Owain loft 20:19, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
Gerard and Berts fall out
Does anyone know anything else about the fallout? I've heard several reasons. One was because supposedly My Chemical Romance used The Used to get famous and once My Chem did become famous it got to there head. Then I've also heard that it is because Gerard wanted to stop drinking and such and it pissed Bert off. Does anyone know ANYTHING about it please e-mail me. gerard_way3057@yahoo.com or x_paper_fantasiesx@hotmail.com
Well if you had of read the article it states that their fallout was due to the addition of "Under Pressure" to the Used CD... Kokiri kid 00:57, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
- It has also been said it was a joke or Bert got mad because Gerard didn't want to go further in a relationship even though it has been stated that Gerard and Bert were never THAT close. But yes, I've also heard it was because of My Chemical Romance's fame. But it does not really matter anymore and no one truly knows because My Chemical Romance has not said anything and The Used haven't said anything either. I believe in a quote by Gerard said that they had a falling out but they don't want to talk about it because they don't like to say stuff about people or something to that effect. Anyways, no one truly does know but we can speculate it is the inclusion of "Under Pressure" on The Used CD since the song was meant to be a song for charity. Orfen User Talk | Contribs 18:05, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
I hardly think..
They are also known as SHIT...
- It is just vandalism. Orfen User Talk | Contribs 19:13, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
Fan Fiction
Does this section need to be here? It's not as if fan fiction only applies to MCR. I don't see that it adds any necessary info for an encyclopedia entry.
- Please see discussion above. Orfen User Talk | Contribs 02:14, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
Ah right, my bad! Still, it was not resolved. I don't think it has any relevence here - saying that there is fan fiction about the band is probably a given, lots of other bands have it. We don't have a section about how people have written MCr, or have made websites about MCR or have drawings of MCR, etc, etc.--Mike Infinitum 12:12, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
- This is true. I don't really have a stance on it because I can see it both ways, but I think we should have a community consensus before removing it. I have been seeing a lot of people saying remove, but we've never truly found out if people want it in or not. Orfen User Talk | Contribs 21:32, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Relationship with The Used section
This section probably needs a cleanup, however, I would like to ask a few things for sources because if they are not sourced I will remove them since they contradict themselves or seem like nonsense. First thing is how does the song "Disenchanted" have anything to do with The Used or former drummer Matt Pelissier? As far as I am aware the song is about the concept The Patient and I am not able to draw any parallels to anything in real life in this song. I do not see how the song could be about their former drummer or The Used, a source please if we are to keep this. Next the part where it talks about references in each of their work and states the "I'm Not Okay (I Promise)" video and how it says "used" in it contradicts itself saying that it might have nothing to do with the band. Also we need a source for the part about The Used saying "chemical romance" and that it has to do with My Chemical Romance. I know it might not be likely but it could be a coincidence. If we can't find sources for this as well then I will also delete it. Those are just some quick concerns that come to mind when I look at that section. Orfen User Talk | Contribs 21:31, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Image Section
it says their music is based on horro filmas and the have bloody artworw but the misfits also has this characteristics in their music does that make them EMO — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.56.165.186 (talk • contribs)
- Don't create a new section for something that's already been addressed, please.--Jude 09:42, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
notable instruments?
excuse me, but most people i know who have listened to my chemical romance agree that the vocals are the best part. i didnt know mcr was famous for bass guitar?!- xanythingxbutxthatxonex —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.41.85.28 (talk • contribs) 02:09, 3 December 2006 (UTC).