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The Official Organizations of Barelvi Muslims haven’t selected anyone to the post of Grand Mufti of India where as they have denied the selection of one Mr.Kanthapuram A.P.Abubacker Musliyar who is not a Hanafi follower at all. Kanjikkuzhi (talk) 19:56, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Prominent news papers in the country The hindu and The times of india published news on Kanthapuram AP Aboobacker Musliyar is selected as the Grand Mufti of India. Links are added in the essay. but the User:Kanjikkuzhi distort this essy withoust any clear links, and he is making this false claims. that unauthentic detaials are removed — Preceding unsigned comment added by Luqmankvk (talk • contribs) 11:54, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

From the references given in the article, it is very clear that the existing Grand Mufti and the Deputy Grand Mufti were appointed by the Prominent Islamic organizations mentioned in the article. They don't even know a new Grand Mufti has been elected to the post. It's totally fake and sponsored drama by one south Indian Sunni Rebel leader Kanthapuram A.P. Abubacker Musliyar and his followers. If you are checking his history, you can see that he made these type of fake appointments for himself to make the people confused.

Also Grand Mufti of India was selected by the Prominent Group of Muslim Organizations who follows Hanafi ideologies where as this south Indian leader follows Shafi ideologies completely. Kanjikkuzhi (talk) 10:56, 4 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

In Wikipedia source, it should be reliable and authentic sources to be added the information. The predominant Sunni scholars of the country selected kanthapuram AP Aboobacker Musliyar to the position of New Grand Mufti, according to the Times of India, the most circulated and authentic newspaper in the country, report. So, without showing any evidence, writing one person's own calculation and false information is against the procedures of Wikipedia. that is removed here, and bring out the authentic information . School of thoughts diffrence in islamic jurispidence is not an issue to appoint someone to the position of Grand Mufti. Kanthapuram AP Aboobacker Musliyar had aquired all the knowledge in four school of thoghts , also got permission to give Fatwas in Four Madhabs from the time of his completion of Studies in Islamic theology.

Luqmankvk (talk) 4 March 2019 (UTC)

I have added all the details with very authentic references not a sponsored news given by the fake Mufti and the so called prominent Muslim organizations who are authorized to select the Grand Mufti don't know about his selection. Kanjikkuzhi (talk) 10:56, 4 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The Hindu and The Times of India are believed the most credible newspapers in India. The institutions you mentioned have not any authority to appoint the Grand Mufti. You should prove it. It was reported in Malayalam paper which was started to tarnish AP Aboobacker musliyar and that is not at all a source.

But Dozens of English, Urdu, Arabic prominent independent Newspapers reported that prominent scholars in India Appointed Kanthapuram AP Aboobacker as the Grand Mufti of India. Luqmankvk (talk) 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Don't try to fool yourself. Please check all the previous Grand Mufti's of India and check who selected those Grand Muftis.

You also agree with the statement that previous Grand Mufti's are the same what I have mentioned, but even though the authority who selected the current Deputy Grand Mufti and himself don't know this selection and paid news or sponsored drama will not be a proof for appointing a Grand Mufti. Grand Mufti will be appointed soon by the authorities whoever selected the previous Muftis and this fake Mufti's mask will be uncovered. Kanjikkuzhi (talk) 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Also the news came in a news paper can't be considered as a solid evidence at all. Especially paid medias are common in India at the moment. Kanjikkuzhi (talk) 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Could you please show me an official appointment letter from the authority showing Mr.Kanthapuram Aboobacker Musliyar has been appointed as the Grand Mufti of India. Kanjikkuzhi (talk) 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Dear Admins,

Kindly go through the Discussions and identify the facts about the topic "Grand Mufti of India" as a user is always playing with this page by killing the details. (Kanjikkuzhi (talk) 10:01, 5 March 2019 (UTC))[reply]

@User:Kanjikkuzhi: Please reach a consensus before you delete reliably sourced information from the page. You need to cite a reliable source to verify your claim not just repeating your opinion that only Barelvi Muslims and Hanafis can choose the Mufti. Mr. Kanthapuram A.P. Aboobacker Musliyar's election to the post has been widely reported by all mainstream media. Instead of edit warring, you need to bring reliable sources for your claims. And note that no one has to produce the appointment letter here. If the medias widely reported it, then the information is already verified. Malayala Sahityam (talk) 12:10, 5 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

As pid media is usual in India at the moment and argument is going on in this subject as the authorities who appointed the old Grand Mufti don't know about this appointment it is necessary to submit an appointment letter from them rather than submitting some paid news. (Kanjikkuzhi (talk) 12:59, 5 March 2019 (UTC))[reply]

We do not have any credible sources saying that his election to the position is contested. A statement from a user is not enough to doubt the sources. Please do not edit war in the page. What we seek is sources not your information on the matter. Malayala Sahityam (talk) 14:10, 5 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It’s very clear that you are editing some of my edits regarding the Deputy Grand Mufti of India with reliable sources to justify your edit is correct.

So, if you have any doubts or arguments with my edits kindly submit the proof here. We can discuss on the same.

(Kanjikkuzhi (talk) 15:09, 5 March 2019 (UTC))[reply]

The reference you provided in the page Deputy Grand Mufti of India did not even have a mention of Deputy Grand Mufti of India. The page easily qualifies for deletion as it does not have any reliable references to establish notability. I did not make any changes to the page but just added tags to improve the references. And there is nothing in it to do with my edits in this page. See, my edits are not any politically or religiously inclined. Whoever the Mufti is I don't have anything to care. I read the news of Mr. Kanthapuram A.P. Aboobacker Musliyar's election in newspaper and came here just to add that information when I noticed all this edit war and got myself involved.

For you to see the proofs, here they are:

https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/kerala/kanthapuram-grand-mufti-of-sunnis-in-india/article26379629.ece

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/kozhikode/kanthapuram-selected-grand-mufti-of-india/articleshow/68175547.cms

https://english.mathrubhumi.com/news/kerala/kanthapuram-elected-as-new-grand-mufti-religion-1.3599882

Now please stop edit warring in the page and please cite the sources for your claim. Malayala Sahityam (talk) 16:47, 5 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Malayala Sahithyam, please go through the article by Mr.Bahauddin Muhammed Nadvi, the Vice Chancellor of Darul Huda Islamic University on this subject which is published by a prominent newspaper “Suprabhatham” in Malayalam.

http://suprabhaatham.com/todays-article-grand-mufthi-01-03-2019/

The article clearly says the facts behind this Grand Mufti election and the history of Grand Muftis of India and also about the authorities who normally select this Grand Mufti.

They didn’t know about this new selection. There was also a media discussion on the same and I will submit you more evidences to prove Mr.Kanthapuram announced himself as the Grand Mufti of India.

(86.98.104.121 (talk) 04:21, 7 March 2019 (UTC))[reply]

How does a man, who is opposing kanthapuram ap aboobacker musliyar , ideologically for years, is an evidence in this issue. The man named Bahudheen, who wrote this essay is a member of the Foundation which was satrted by Yusuf Al Qardawi, A terrorist linked scholar, and a prominent Anti Sunni. this kind of self nerrated versions have come from the anti sunni mindset. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Luqmankvk (talk • contribs) 06:10, 7 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Mr.Bahauddin Muhammed Nadvi is not an anti Sunni, Please go through his biography: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bahauddeen_Muhammed_Nadwi

He is the Vice Chancellor of a well known Islamic University Darul Huda Islamic University from Kerala. http://www.dhiu.in/vc

He represents a very big group of Sunni Muslim Federation Samastha Kerala Jamiyyathul Ulama and he is the member of the Central Council Member of the same organization. :https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmXoypizjW3WknFiJnKLwHCnL72vedxjQkDDP1mXWo6uco/wiki/Samastha_Kerala_Jamiyyathul_Ulama.html

(94.200.229.66 (talk) 06:24, 7 March 2019 (UTC))[reply]

Dear Admins, Please not the above comment from a user named Luqman KVK, who publicly insult a great Islamic Scholar Mr.Bahauddin Nadvi by saying he is having the terrorist link through this page. Admins Kindly take this as a serious issue. (94.200.229.66 (talk) 06:28, 7 March 2019 (UTC))[reply]

The organisation mr Ndwi represnts is described in wiki pedia is so "Given Yusuf al-Qaradawi's support for suicide attacks, the IUMS was listed as a terrorist organization by various Arab countries, including Egypt, Saudi Arabia, the United Arabic Emirates and Bahrein.[8][9][10] IUMS's leader Yusuf al-Qaradawi's, named "the theologian of terror" by Irish media, is also banned from entering multiple countries, including the US, UK and France, despite holding a Qatari diplomatic passport. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Union_of_Muslim_Scholars — Preceding unsigned comment added by Luqmankvk (talk • contribs) 06:34, 7 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The page of Mr Bahaudheen has filled 90 percent of his own websites that is not credible according to the wiki laws. So, its notability shoulb be questioned until it is filled with authentic public sourses. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Luqmankvk (talk • contribs) 06:44, 7 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The user luqmankvk says IUMS was listed in terrorist group but he don't have any evidence to justify his statement as Bahauddin Nadwi is the member of IUMS. He is insulting a great Sunni leader from Kerala without having any proper evidences. This is totally illeagal and should be considered as very very irrelevant. (94.200.229.66 (talk) 06:50, 7 March 2019 (UTC))[reply]

The above mentioned written texts from wiki pedia in the home page of IUMS is clear evidence, with proper links, what is the stance of IUMS related terrorism . So, a man who himself narrated the member of this organsation, also miight be part of the activities that organatios involved untill he is resigned — Preceding unsigned comment added by Luqmankvk (talk • contribs) 06:55, 7 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand what he is saying, he don't even don't know the difference between IUML and IUMS. Are you trying to insult the wiki editors?

Please go through the news links other than websites for admin's reference.

http://twocircles.net/2015jun29/1435586531.html - Dr Bahauddin Nadwi gets warm reception in Kuwait

https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/kerala/Sibaq-arts-festival-draws-crowds/article14017106.ece - "Darul Huda Chancellor Sayed Hyderali Shihab Thangal inaugurated the festival. Vice Chancellor Bahauddin Nadvi presided. "

https://www.thepeninsulaqatar.com/article/07/12/2017/Seminar-on-renovation-of-Islamic-education-in-S-Asia - (Dr Bahauddin Muhammad Nadwi, (pictured) Vice-Chancellor of Darul Huda Islamic University, will be the guest of honour. Dr Saeed Hudawi (Yobe University of Nigeria) and Anwer Ali Mavur (from DHIU, India) and Asfandair Ansari a leading scholar, will be presenters. )

(94.200.229.66 (talk) 07:06, 7 March 2019 (UTC))[reply]

What I wrote is the organisation International Union of Muslim Scholars is linked with islamic extremist activities, and Mr Bahaudheen is a member of it. That organization is not at all a Sunni oriented. So a man who is linked to anti sunni activities should have a dubious stance and all his arguments shoulde be viewed in such a perception too. The second one The organisation he represents in Kerala is worked like a part of Muslim League, a political oraganastaion and both the oragansations' one of the supreme leader is hyder ali thangal. Kanthapuram ap abobacker musliyar is not part of this political game in kerala, so hatever progress he brings out to the mulsims in coutry this nadvi comes to oppose it. Such a person involve this issues with lot of personal and ideological interets –(Luqmankvk)

Whatever written in Wikipedia is not written by Mr.Bahauddin Nadvi and he will not be responsible for the same. It’s very clear that he is the vice chancellor of a reputed and recognized Islamic University from Kerala and proofs say the same.

http://www.dhiu.in/vc

This is Not the place to insult someone personally without having a proper evidence by showing an incomplete Wikipedia page.

He is also the leader of majority of Sunni Muslims from Kerala, proofs say the same.

https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmXoypizjW3WknFiJnKLwHCnL72vedxjQkDDP1mXWo6uco/wiki/Samastha_Kerala_Jamiyyathul_Ulama.html

This is not the place to play your cheap politics and vomit your information without any proper evidences. If he have noticed this, it will be a legal issue. (SHERIFFBLATHUR (talk) 03:58, 8 March 2019 (UTC))[reply]

Also, the sentence from the article “Politically linked Group lead by Mr.Bahauddin Nadvi” is totally wrong as it is totally a Sunni Muslim Organization as mentioned above. It doesn’t have any politics and it includes all the political viewers and workers.

https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/kerala/samastha-trains-its-guns-onyoung-sayeds-of-panakkad/article22288302.ece - says “The Samastha Kerala Jamiyyathul Ulama, the biggest body of Sunni Muslims in Kerala, has trained its guns on two young members of the Panakkad Sayed Shihab family for their readiness to attend the ninth Mujahid State conference beginning at Kooriyad near Tirurangadi on Thursday.” (SHERIFFBLATHUR (talk) 04:13, 8 March 2019 (UTC))[reply]

As per the above mentioned link from The Hindu Newspaper, it’s very clear that Mr.Bahauddin Nadvi is the leader of Biggest Sunni Muslim Organization from Kerala and the sentence “Politically linked oraganization” should be corrected by “Biggest Sunni Muslim Organization from Kerala” (Kanjikkuzhi (talk) 05:20, 8 March 2019 (UTC))[reply]

As per the news link from The Hindu Newspaper,

https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/kerala/samastha-trains-its-guns-onyoung-sayeds-of-panakkad/article22288302.ece - says “The Samastha Kerala Jamiyyathul Ulama, the biggest body of Sunni Muslims in Kerala

it’s very clear that Mr.Bahauddin Nadvi is the leader of Biggest Sunni Muslim Organization from Kerala and the sentence “Politically linked oraganization” should be corrected by “Biggest Sunni Muslim Organization from Kerala” 94.200.229.66 (talk) 09:23, 10 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit protected}} template. — JJMC89 (T·C) 00:43, 13 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

As per the news link from The Hindu Newspaper,

https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/kerala/samastha-trains-its-guns-onyoung-sayeds-of-panakkad/article22288302.ece - says “The Samastha Kerala Jamiyyathul Ulama, the biggest body of Sunni Muslims in Kerala

it’s very clear that Mr.Bahauddin Nadvi is the leader of Biggest Sunni Muslim Organization from Kerala and the sentence “Politically linked oraganization” should be corrected by “Biggest Sunni Muslim Organization from Kerala”

(Kanjikkuzhi (talk) 05:57, 12 March 2019 (UTC))[reply]

May be the biggest one, but it's clear that so called samastha is politically linked organization. Islu cute (talk) 17:54, 2 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Don't tell something blankly without having any evidence. Please provide some proofs which reveals the political link of Samastha Kerala Jamiyyathul Ulama,

(Kanjikkuzhi (talk) 13:52, 7 April 2019 (UTC))[reply]

From all news, articles and discussion what I understood is Mr.Kanthapuram’s Elevation as Grand Mufti is totally a Fake. He will be caught red handed soon. We can wait for that moment.

(86.98.104.121 (talk) 00:15, 13 March 2019 (UTC))[reply]

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Latest news has been released which says Mufti Asjad Raza Khan who is the son of Previous Grand Mufti Akhtar Raza Khan has been selected as the Grand Mufti of India. Source from Sri lankan national news paper:-

https://www.facebook.com/MuftiAsjadRazaKhanQadiri/photos/a.286399565416222/351886232200888/?type=3&theater

(94.200.229.66 (talk) 06:11, 7 April 2019 (UTC))[reply]

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Latest news has been released which says Mufti Asjad Raza Khan who is the son of Previous Grand Mufti Akhtar Raza Khan has been selected as the Grand Mufti of India. Source from Sri lankan national news paper:- thumb|Grand Mufti_Daily News Srilanka

(Kanjikkuzhi (talk) 06:34, 7 April 2019 (UTC))[reply]

Official Press release from Barelvi Shareef As Ajad Raza Khan has been appointed as the Grand Mufti of India. All other news are fake:

See the below press release for reference:-

thumb|Press release from Bareily

(Kanjikkuzhi (talk) 06:43, 7 April 2019 (UTC))[reply]

Please read about our reliable sources policy. The Times of India, a large, established well-known newspaper, qualify as a reliable source; Facebook posts and personal pages like "timesheadline.com" do not. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 13:26, 10 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Akhtar Raza Khan was formerly known as the Grand Mufti of India by Barelvi Muslims. Upon his passing, the position was left vacant with no formal announcement on who was to succeed him. On the 24th February 2019, a conference was held in Delhi where it was announced by a singular organisation that Kanthapuram will now be the Grand Mufti of India ^[12]. This caused a split in India, with the followers and family of Akhtar Raza Khan, as well as other Muslims from Kerala, making a rival announcement that Asjad Raza Khan is actually the Grand Mufti ^[13]. Some reconciliate the controversy by saying that Asjad Raza Khan is the Grand Mufti for Hanafi Muslims and Aboobacker is the Grand Mufti for Shafi‘i Muslims, as they both follow different versions of Islamic Jurisprudence, while others such as Dr. Bahaudeen Nadwi from his rival faction in Kerala refuse to accept him as Grand Mufti outright^{[14] [15] [16] [17] [18] [19] [20] [21] [22] [23]} To summarise, it is inaccurate for this article to assert as fact that 1) Musliyar is the Grand Mufti and 2) Grand Mufti is a position appointed by All India Tanzeem Ulama E Islam - no citation provided for this, simply because an organisation appoints someone in this position does not mean they have a formal standing to do so e.g. Akhtar Raza Khan was not appointed by All India Tanzeem Ulama E Islam. 3) When a single organisation has appointed, it is incorrect to exaggerate this as plural "prominent Muslim organisations".

At the very least, this article should mention that Asjad Raza Khan has also been appointed, and not favour one individual over another. SunniObserver786 (talk) 23:02, 2 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I request you to change:

1. Change the field "incumbent" Sheikh Abubakr Ahmad
2. And the field "native_name" مفتیٔ اعظم ہند

2405:204:D48B:3EFD:1A97:80B1:5E02:F1BB (talk) 04:02, 7 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]