The Thermochemistry values and symbols need to be explained somewhere. AxelBoldt 18:53 Jan 28, 2003 (UTC)

I've added links to standard enthalpy change of formation and created and linked to a new page standard molar entropy. Good enough? --- Tim Starling 04:12 Jan 30, 2003 (UTC)

It would be nice if a space for association or dissociation constants (in water) could be made. I may not give a darn about the enthalpy of formation of an organic acid, but if it had 2 carboxylate groups I might want to know the K_d of both. Dwmyers 15:30 Mar 3, 2003 (UTC)

I thought from the start that organic compounds would require a different set of properties to inorganic ones – hence the title of this page. If you want to make tables for the organic compounds, I can give you the excel spreadsheet I used to generate the current tables. It's pretty handy: it has a macro which processes a wiki text file and replaces certain tags with values from the spreadsheet, then dumps the text to the clipboard. I had been meaning to put it up on the web somewhere, but hadn't gotten around to it.

For the moment, though, you might want to consider adding a table to the dissociation constant article – like what I did with band gap. I don't really know much about organic chem – the last time I studied it was in high school -- Tim Starling 00:44 Mar 4, 2003 (UTC)

I've created a WikiProject Rocks and Minerals for anyone who'd like to join and comment. Tried to use compound table as a start but I think there are differences in the kinds of appropriate info. Comments welcome. Elf 21:29, 4 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Batches 1 & 2 are now done. When the following list gets long enough I will do batch 3:

• Potassium bromide
• Ammonium chloride
• Silicon carbide
• Potassium oxide
• Ferrous sulfate
• Titanic acid
• Potassium chloride
• Nitrogen dioxide
• Trisodium phosphate

Not included due to lack of data in sources at hand:

• Calamine
• Radon fluoride
• Osmium tetroxide
• Carbonic acid

Non-standarized tables:

• Gallium arsenide
• Aluminium oxide
• Sodium cyanide

Please add more compounds here as you find them. If you want to help make tables, warn me first so that we don't duplicate.

Note to self: link to gram (unit) in solubility!

Last updated by Tim Starling 04:03 21 Jun 2003 (UTC).

Could the following be wrapped / implemented?

<table border="0" align="right" style="margin-left:1em"> <tr> <td> Existing table code </td> </tr> </table>

I think the important part is style="margin-left:1em" ... so as the text doesn't "rub up" against the tables? It does in mozilla ... thnks, reddi

The problem I see with using this is that the pages doesn't seem to stay for very long at the same spot. Right now I wanted to look at sulfuric acid and went to http://ull.chemistry.uakron.edu/erd/chemicals/8/7116.html, given in the article, but the link was broken. That has happened a lot recently. What made it worse is that the search function there gave neither sulfuric acid nor sulphuric acid. So, is there anyone who knows any more reliable sources than HCD? Mikez 21:05, 13 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Correction - this time the search yielded http://ull.chemistry.uakron.edu/erd/chemicals1/8/7109.html for sulfuric acid /Mikez

Unfortunately the HCD people have rebuilt their database since I initially gathered the links, and most of the internal IDs have changed. Thus, the large majority of safety information links are currently broken. The data is still in there, someone just needs to find it again using their awful search engine, and fix all the links. -- Tim Starling 16:59, Apr 16, 2004 (UTC)

Why are "Standard Enthalpy of Combustion" and "Standard molar Gibbs free energy change of formation" not on the table? --OldakQuill 17:11, 29 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Because most inorganic compounds don't combust, and the Gibbs free energy can be calculated from the entropy and enthalpy, which are already given, using the formula:

ΔG = ΔH - TΔS

If you need to know the energy of combustion or oxidation of an inorganic compound, form a balanced equation of reactants (the compound with oxygen) and products, then find the total formation enthalpy of the products and reactants. The heat of combustion is the difference of the two. -- Tim Starling 00:31, Apr 30, 2004 (UTC)

There are two types of info boxes which I'll call "orange" and "new" (since I think it's newer--the info box currently shown on the project page.) I actually prefer the orange box style, and plan on making articles with that. Is there a problem with this? Can we even adopt that as the official standard? For one thing, the new box shows up poorly on some browsers (with black backgrounds in some cells), and I think color makes these articles look better. Cool Hand Luke 23:57, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)

I've notice several different schemes on various articles, so I don't know exactly what new box you're talking about. I prefer and use the two-tone color scheme of the present infobox. - Centrx 20:25, 26 Sep 2004 (UTC)

I'm now at home on a mozilla browser and I can now tell the new one is still orange (now two-tone). On certain versions of IE, the current style looks awful: the backgrounds appear black. I'll try to tweak the template the make this problem go away. Otherwise, I do like the new style better. Cool Hand Luke 20:37, 26 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Is it possible this is because of some articles using colors like #FAD or #FED instead of #FFAADD or #FFEEDD ? - Centrx 20:22, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)

More than possible. I fixed the template. If I happened to edit articles using just three bytes, I'll fix them too, but I'm not going out of my way to do it. Cool Hand Luke 00:48, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)

I have put up a short version of an inorganic compound page, called inorganic_stylesheet1 since I note that the current template is rather intimidating. I am concerned that most people writing new pages are not going to want to spend the time to look up all of the data asked for, and I personally don't like putting up a page where most of the entries have a "?". This could get even worse if we include all of the details that a "full" page should include (see my comments in the next talk section on suggestions for the template). I have put up a sample page at samarium(III) chloride so you can see what a typical page might look like. I have put some more extended comments up at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chemicals#.22Short_form.22_standard_for_less_common_inorganics

Please give me your comments on inorganic_stylesheet1, either here or at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chemicals#.22Short_form.22_standard_for_less_common_inorganics- thanks!

If people like this, I will produce one for organics too. Walkerma 19:46, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)