Caravaggio was one of the Art and architecture good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
Article milestones Date Process Result January 2, 2006 Peer review Reviewed February 12, 2006 Featured article candidate Not promoted April 18, 2006 Good article nominee Listed July 12, 2009 Good article reassessment Delisted Current status: Delisted good article

This article has not yet been rated on Wikipedia's content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects:

Please add the quality rating to the {{WikiProject banner shell}} template instead of this project banner. See WP:PIQA for details. Biography: Arts and Entertainment C‑class This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Biographybiography C This article has been rated as C-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale. This article is supported by the arts and entertainment work group (assessed as Mid-importance). Please add the quality rating to the {{WikiProject banner shell}} template instead of this project banner. See WP:PIQA for details. Visual arts C‑class This article is within the scope of WikiProject Visual arts, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of visual arts on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Visual artsWikipedia:WikiProject Visual artsTemplate:WikiProject Visual artsvisual arts C This article has been rated as C-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale. Please add the quality rating to the {{WikiProject banner shell}} template instead of this project banner. See WP:PIQA for details. Christianity: Catholicism C‑class Low‑importance This article is within the scope of WikiProject Christianity, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Christianity on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.ChristianityWikipedia:WikiProject ChristianityTemplate:WikiProject ChristianityChristianity C This article has been rated as C-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale. Low This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale. This article is supported by WikiProject Catholicism (assessed as Mid-importance).

Template:Vital article Template:WPCD-People

Archives

1

This page has archives. Sections older than 90 days may be automatically archived by Lowercase sigmabot III when more than 10 sections are present.

The proper title for this entry is Caravaggio with a dab at top about Caravaggio, Italy and a note about Caravaggio (movie) below. That's the NCP (normal cultural perspective). Wetman 23:02, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Agreed. I almost didn't find the page because of the odd naming. This should be the default page for "Caravaggio", with the disamb linked from it. Mpolo 10:26, Nov 13, 2004 (UTC)

Agreed. For now, I've moved the disambiguation page from Caravaggio to Caravaggio (disambiguation), and made Caravaggio in a redirect to Michelangelo Merisi. If noone complains about this, an administrator can move this page to Caravaggio later. Eugene van der Pijll 13:19, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I object. I think that Caravaggio should certainly be a redirect here (with a note on this page saying caravaggio is also a town and movie. But that the main article should stay here at Michelangelo Merisi, since that was after all his name. The bellman 08:26, 2004 Dec 21 (UTC)

I think it's more than a little pretentious, to be frank. --Wetman 00:57, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I can't go to an exhibition of Carvaggio's works, or read a book or article about him without hearing mention of his sexuality. And yet here on wikipedia, nothing - not a whisper. It is incredibly bizarre. Can we not agree some form of words to reflect the academic discourse. It seems intellectually dishonest not to. Contaldo80 (talk) 12:54, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Possibly because we're not trying to sell anything? Equally I never read a comment of yours that isn't about somebody's sexuality. Johnbod (talk) 01:35, 13 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry, "not trying to sell anything"? What is meant by that? Are you suggesting that including material relating to Caravaggio's sexuality is purely aimed at "selling" a particular form of sexuality? Or that you think I am showing bias by "selling" a particular form of sexuality? And why exactly do you think the best approach to respond to a perfectly reasonable discussion point by me is to complain that you "never read a comment that isn't about someone's sexuality"? In what way is this relevant? To what extent is personally abusing me a mature way to carry out a discussion? I don't just make edits relating to issues of sexuality and homosexuality. But do you know what, even if I did, who cares? What possible business is it of yours to tell me what edits or issues I should show an interest in? Provided I observe the guidelines and rules and strive to show balance and objectivity then I am doing nothing wrong. Or perhaps you're making an accusation that I do not show objectivity or balance? If I want to improve coverage of issues relating to sexuality and homosexuality then that is my prerogative. If you are uncomfortable with talking about issues relating to sexuality or homosexuality, then don't expect others to share your personal hang ups. I am frankly surprised that an editor who claims to have made so many edits to articles over so many years would respond in such a way as you just have. "Assume good faith" - have you? Contaldo80 (talk) 09:07, 16 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Please limit yourselves to talking about how to improve the article, and not about other editors - as that is never fruitful. If you have a WP:RELIABLE source which discusses Caravaggio's sexuality, then it may be worth including in the article with deference to due WP:WEIGHT. (Hohum ^@) 18:00, 16 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There are plenty of sources. I agree it isn't productive to spend time attacking other editors, and my intention above was to start an honest debate about a particular issue which I feel will enhance the article if tackled properly. But if I am insulted by another editor for no apparent reason, then I will respond. Contaldo80 (talk) 08:19, 17 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I meant that the emphasis on his sexuality and criminality in popular marketing for books & exhibitions on Caravaggio is largely commercially driven. You can edit how you like, but risk being seen by others as a one-issue editor. Johnbod (talk) 20:30, 16 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I couldn't care less if I'm seen as a one issue editor - what's it got to do with you and the debate on this article? Perhaps I should save myself trouble and stick to editing unthreatening content around porcelain shepherdesses, and tapestries with unicorns chasing antelopes? I don't doubt that stories of sex and murder capture the public imagination, but that doesn't mean that we have to leave them out of the article! The fact that Caravaggio killed a man and went on the run is pretty central to the themes and execution of his later art. The fact that he saw beauty in men as well as women is likewise noticeable and significant. Contaldo80 (talk) 08:19, 17 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I will find and add a source. Bearian (talk) 20:42, 16 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. There are loads of sources. I'd start with Andrew Graham-Dixon's recent biography on Caravaggio - which gives good consideration to the issue. There is also Jonathan Jones's new book, "The loves of the artists" with a chapter on Caravaggio. If you want to go back a couple of years then there are obviously Helen Langdon and Peter Robb. There are also academic journals which could be referenced, aside from frequent discussion in exhibition catalogues. I think the consensus was that Caravaggio had female and male lovers. There is not total agreement on whether homo-erotic elements are evident in his art - some believe strongly it is, others than he was responding to what patrons wanted, and Graham-Dixon believes some of it deliberately refers to Michelangelo and needs to be seen in the context of counter-reformation spirituality.Contaldo80 (talk) 08:19, 17 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Might I suggest that you rely on reliable biographers / historians for Caravaggio's own sexuality, art historians for how sexuality is expressed in his art art, being careful not to synthesize the two. Commentary in exhibition catalogues doesn't seem valuable to me, compared to high quality sources. (Hohum ^@) 13:52, 17 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Taking that line, the biographers will provide little to go on as, unlike his criminal escapades, whatever sex life he had is almost entirely undocumented, so you are left with inferences from the paintings. Johnbod (talk) 14:46, 17 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That is simply not true - research has moved on in this area a fair deal since the 1960s. Nor do I take the point about art exhibition catalogues being low quality. You'll often in fact find that they offer some of the best written stuff with essays by leading academics in both history and art history (although here I'm thinking only of the leading art galleries). Contaldo80 (talk) 08:20, 18 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Bring the sources, suggest the edits based on them. I doubt you will get an auction catalog past vetting at the Reliable Sources Noticeboard. (Hohum ^@) 15:04, 18 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, tolarify again. I am talking about exhibition catalogues, and not auction catalogues. I agree the latter are not suitable. Contaldo80 (talk) 08:45, 19 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Contaldo here, & I think you would (you certainly ought to), but he is talking about fat collection or exhibition catalogues from top museums here, which as he says are certainly RS. Caravaggios hardly ever appear at auction anyway. I have no objection to a brief summary of scholarly views, but given the article is pretty short for an artist of this significance, and, despite what Contaldo says, the actual evidence for anything pretty thin, WP:UNDUE needs always to be kept in mind. The precedent of Leonardo da Vinci and others here is not encouraging. Johnbod (talk) 15:24, 18 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Johnbod, I agree with you I think we can keep it short. There's no definitive answer to his sexual orientation, and I accept that the surviving documents can be interpreted in different ways. Nevertheless my original point was that it's odd that the issue of sexuality is dealt with in practically every other article/biography about Caravaggio, yet we maintain a stony silence here. Readers will expect to see at least a reference; otherwise I fear we're being intellectually dishonet in not wanting to recognise something which is pretty standard fare.Contaldo80 (talk) 08:39, 19 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I object to the inclusion of the dodgy sexuality para, as it is all based on rumors, and admits to the inconclusiveness. It is also utterly useless in understanding of Caravaggio as an artist. I own several monographs on Caravaggio and all of them agree that the accusations of sodomy are baseless. this cherrypicked POVpushing is totally inappropriate here.--Galassi (talk) 13:47, 13 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Unless you can present a mature argument as to why the material should not be included then it stays in. I don't know what "monographs" you have but I'm guessing that the majority of them must be from before the 1930s in the way that you claim that all this stuff is "dodgy". It's also your view that it is useless in revealing anything about Caravaggio the artist. There are more distinguished academics than yourself who would disagree. And even if it tells us nothing about his art, the information still relates to his biography. Try and be a bit more grown-up will you Galassi. The material is relatively short, focused, well-sourced and not-fringe. If you want to make a complaint then I suggest you take it to the relevant arbitration board.Contaldo80 (talk) 07:56, 6 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Galassi if you revert the material on sexuality again then I will make a formal complaint to an administrator. You have done nothing to argue that the material is POV. It is taken from mainstream and respected academic sources. Be clear EXACTLY what in your opinion violates NPOV. Your argument about consensus is spurious also - it is not required for all edits but I have not seen a "consensus" supporting your arguments either. Your suggestion that it is not notable or given UNDUE weight is simply laughable. And I do have to question whether you actually know anything about the article you are editing? I have read about 10 works on Caravaggio and attended countless gallery exhibitions and read articles in journals and magazines. Ever since Sussino Caravaggio's sexuality has been a point of discussion. If you want to bury your head in the sand then please do; but don't expect the rest of us to do it. Contaldo80 (talk) 07:34, 7 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You must seek consensus, which is not a vote, but a mutually agreeable version. You POVpushing is not helpful to the article. You've been doing it for years, and it wouldnt wash.--Galassi (talk) 14:08, 7 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

With whom - Galassi - am I to seek consensus? With you? You're not interested in any discussion at all. For you the issue of Caravagio's homosexuality is out of bounds. Fine if that is your personal opinion. But you have to demonstrate that wikipedia rules have been broken by including this material. You have failed consistently to do that. If you think arbitration is needed then please go and seek it - I have already made the offer. Wikipedia is an open platform - we are all allowed to contribute to articles if those edits meet the guidelines. Contaldo80 (talk) 14:15, 7 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Galassi I don't think we've getting anywhere with this. I add material on sexuality and you just remove it, I restore etc. I have already suggested that we try and seek mediation for this - to see if we can find a middle way. Earlier I suggested that we seek an impartial third opinion, to advise us on what might be sensible. Are you prepared to accept that mediation? Or are you just going to take out the material again? In which case I'm afraid there are probably good grounds to indicate that you are being deliberately disruptive. Thanks. Contaldo80 (talk) 09:26, 27 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Caravaggio never married and had no known children, and Howard Hibbard notes the absence of erotic female figures from the artist's oeuvre: "In his entire career he did not paint a single female nude."^[1] On the other hand, the cabinet-pieces from the Del Monte period are replete with "full-lipped, languorous boys ... who seem to solicit the onlooker with their offers of fruit, wine, flowers - and themselves."^[2] Nevertheless, a connection with a certain Lena is mentioned in a 1605 court deposition by Pasqualone, where she is described as "Michelangelo's girl".^[3] According to G.B.Passeri this 'Lena' was Caravaggio's model for the Madonna di Loreto. According to Catherine Puglisi 'Lena' may have been the same as the courtesan Maddalena di Paolo Antognetti, who named Caravaggio as an intimate friend by her own testimony in 1604.^[4][5] Caravaggio also probably enjoyed close relationships with other "whores and courtesans" such as Fillide Melandroni, of whom he painted a portrait.^[6]

Since the 1970s art scholars and historians have debated the inferences of homoeroticism in Caravaggio's works.^[7] The model of "Omnia vincit amor" is known as Cecco di Caravaggio. Cecco stayed with him even after he was obliged to leave Rome in 1606, and the two may have been lovers."^[8]

Aside from the paintings, evidence also comes from the libel trial brought against Caravaggio by Giovanni Baglione in 1603. Baglione accused Caravaggio and his friends of writing and distributing scurrilous doggerel attacking him; the pamphlets, according to Baglione's friend and witness Mao Salini, had been distributed by a certain Giovanni Battista, a bardassa, or boy prostitute, shared by Caravaggio and his friend Onorio Longhi. Caravaggio denied knowing any young boy of that name, and the allegation was not followed up.^[9] Baglione's painting of "Divine Love" has also been seen as a visual accusation of sodomy against Caravaggio.^[6] Such accusations were damaging and dangerous as sodomy was a capital crime at the time. Even though the authorities were unlikely to investigate such a well-connected person as Caravaggio: "Once an artist had been smeared as a pederast, his work was smeared too."^[8] Francesco Susinoo in his later biography relates the story of how the artist was chased by a school-master in Sicily for spending too long gazing at the boys in his care. Susino presents it as a misunderstanding, but Caravaggio may indeed have been seeking sexual solace; and the incident could explain one of his most homoerotic paintings: his last depiction of St John the Baptist.^[10]

The art historian, Andrew Graham-Dixon has summarised the debate:

A lot has been made of Caravaggio's presumed homosexuality, which has in more than one previous account of his life been presented as the single key that explains everything, both the power of his art and the misfortunes of his life. There is no absolute proof of it, only strong circumstantial evidence and much rumour. The balance of probability suggests that Caravaggio did indeed have sexual relations with men. But he certainly had female lovers. Throughout the years that he spent in Rome he kept close company with a number of prostitutes. The truth is that Caravaggio was as uneasy in his relationships as he was in most other aspects of life. He likely slept with men. He did sleep with women. He settled with no one... [but] the idea that he was an early martyr to the drives of an unconventional sexuality is an anachronistic fiction.^[8]

• I'd support the text above (added here by Contaldo I presume). We should certainly say something. You could ask for more opinions at the Visual Arts project. Johnbod (talk) 14:03, 28 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• IMO we should include the above...Modernist (talk) 13:31, 29 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Not in the current cherry-picked shape, ignoring opinions to the contrary. Per WP:NPOV, WP:WEIGHT a number of other things. For starters it completely ignores Maurizio Calvesi's research. And the section is disprortionately large for NPOV.--Galassi (talk) 14:23, 28 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure "research" is the right word for Calvesi's opinions. This remains a sensitive issue in Italy, like the Greeks with 300 (film). No, it isn't too large. Though if we could stop arguing about this eternally, and improve the rest of the article, things would be better. Just deleting all mention puts you in a weak position, frankly. Johnbod (talk) 13:52, 29 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Galassi can you perhaps deal with your personal hang-ups about homosexuality, rather than to repeatedly project them onto this article. The text is not "cherry picked" nor does it contravene NPOV nor is it excessive. The sexuality of Caravaggio is dealt with again and again and again by authors, frequently at great length. I don't understand what is to be gained by trying to pretend there is no discussion or that the matter is irrelevant?! The sources quoted are mainstream, the information balanced and to the point. That even Calvesi talks about it suggests that its a subject worth talking about!! And Calvesi is hardly recent in any case.Contaldo80 (talk) 10:30, 30 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Ive google-mapped the where all known Caravaggio paintings are situated globally https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=z24asHdRfrvA.k11-JXzdDn6s Shouldnt this be on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caravaggio ? Have a GREAT day! John — Preceding unsigned comment added by John bau 123456 (talk • contribs) 06:20, 27 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 6 external links on Caravaggio. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

• Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20090416123558/http://www.italica.rai.it:80/index.php?categoria=bio&scheda=caravaggio_prima_parte to http://www.italica.rai.it/index.php?categoria=bio&scheda=caravaggio_prima_parte
• Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20121020071907/https://www.fbi.gov:80/about-us/investigate/vc_majorthefts/arttheft/caravaggio to https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/vc_majorthefts/arttheft/caravaggio
• Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20100316185329/http://www.fbi.gov:80/hq/cid/arttheft/europe/italy/italyart.htm to https://www.fbi.gov/hq/cid/arttheft/europe/italy/italyart.htm
• Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20131203001449/http://vecchiaforma.com/uploads/3/3/3/5/3335127/e21-passion-cvgg.pdf to http://vecchiaforma.com/uploads/3/3/3/5/3335127/e21-passion-cvgg.pdf
• Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20131203002442/http://vecchiaforma.com/uploads/3/3/3/5/3335127/e4-cvgg-velz.pdf to http://vecchiaforma.com/uploads/3/3/3/5/3335127/e4-cvgg-velz.pdf
• Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20060413211634/http://www.rijksmuseum.nl:80/formats/container_remcar_en.html to http://www.rijksmuseum.nl/formats/container_remcar_en.html

When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true or failed to let others know (documentation at {{Sourcecheck}}).

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).

• If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
• If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 23:36, 14 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The WP:LEAD is a summary of the body; it should not contain content that is not discussed in the body; and it should highlight the most important features of the topic. The lead here focuses on Caravaggio's biography, in places containing more detail than the body, and giving undue weight to particular incidents. Discussion of his technique and impact is scant, and buried in the last paragraph. I am cutting back the bio narrative and moving some of the detail into the body, while expanding discussion of his technique. For the time being, I have moved chunks of the lead into appropriate sections as hidden text, and I will later blend those passages in. Laszlo Panaflex (talk) 02:53, 6 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

By the painting of St Rosario do we meant the Madonna of the Rosary? Contaldo80 (talk) 10:49, 25 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Seems to refer to a lost work. The Madonna of the Rosary (Caravaggio) doesn't have that many figures, and none of them are turpiter ligati, which as I understand it means "in shameful bonds", "in wicked embrace". William Avery (talk) 11:28, 25 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure though - there is no such hagiographical figure as St Rosario which really translates as the Holy Rosary. Agree there are not 30 figures or people in wicked embraces. We need Burton's original statement I think. Contaldo80 (talk) 12:37, 25 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Under Caravaggio#Oeuvre this article says that work "is not known to have survived", but without a citation. The reference by Burton is just a footnote, see here William Avery (talk) 13:10, 25 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I just think Burton has been misconstrued. There is no saint rosario - it must be that he was referring to the madonna of the rosary. I think the reference to Burton just confuses the paragraph and doesn't add much in any case - so suggest we take it out. Contaldo80 (talk) 11:05, 26 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 6 external links on Caravaggio. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

• Corrected formatting/usage for http://www.italica.rai.it/index.php?categoria=bio&scheda=caravaggio_prima_parte
• Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20060310151813/http://caravaggio.com/preview/attach/data01/D000199.htm to http://caravaggio.com/preview/attach/data01/D000199.htm
• Corrected formatting/usage for https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/vc_majorthefts/arttheft/caravaggio
• Corrected formatting/usage for http://www.fbi.gov/hq/cid/arttheft/europe/italy/italyart.htm
• Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20060207004930/http://www.duffyandsnellgrove.com.au/extracts/m_interview.htm to http://www.duffyandsnellgrove.com.au/extracts/m_interview.htm
• Corrected formatting/usage for http://www.rijksmuseum.nl/formats/container_remcar_en.html

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).

• If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
• If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 16:39, 30 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

An editor has added a controversial claim that Caravaggio "had at least one illegitimate daughter by Lavinia Giugioli, the wife or Ranuccio Tommasoni who Caravaggio killed in a duel over the affair". I have never seen a reference to this before. The source cited is a website in Italian. Before we can include this I think we need some robust academic sources that support this suggestion. Thanks Contaldo80 (talk) 09:42, 16 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

A clear case of WP:IDONTLIKEIT.--Galassi (talk) 13:22, 16 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Notes from a CD? A clear case of not WP:RS. Laszlo Panaflex (talk) 15:37, 16 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I don't like it because it's poor editing. Go figure. Contaldo80 (talk) 11:02, 19 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Andrew Graham-Dixon covered it nicely and reliably per WP:RS, even if it contradicts your POV.--Galassi (talk) 15:34, 19 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Simply yelling IDONTLIKEIT when someone raises good faith objections is highly inappropriate. The onus is on you to discuss and present your evidence here before going forward with further edits. And the cite to the CD notes remains NOTRS, even if the rest is kept. Please do not attack others for raising good faith concerns. Laszlo Panaflex (talk) 16:13, 19 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Andrew Graham-Dixon is RS. There is more info coming from his work.--Galassi (talk) 18:49, 19 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]