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Does this page need the disambig, or can we move it to List of The Flash characters? @Bignole and Spanneraol:. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 03:37, 17 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Well, there was a 1990 series of the same name so it could get confusing. Also we dont want people to think it's just generally about characters appearing in the comic books. Spanneraol (talk) 03:46, 17 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm. The 1990 series does not have its own page, and the comic book articles do not have "The" in it. That's why I was asking. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 04:19, 17 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Technically, we would drop the "2014 TV series", because no other page exists with this title. If for some reason a page for characters is created for the 1990 series, then we'll deal with that when it happens. As for confusion over the page, I think anyone reading will realize where they're at. Plus, we can put a hatnote in and redirect them to List of Flash supporting characters (or whatever similar page would exist for the comics).  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 05:40, 17 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

That was my feeling. I'm going to be bold and make the move. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 05:42, 17 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

so, when is the table gonna be made????Phoenix (talk) 13:08, 10 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

sooooooo, the flash wont have the same table like arrow?!?! Phoenix (talk) 16:40, 19 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to make one, go ahead... I'm fine with a table like that existing here... I just dont wanna spend the time to put it together. Spanneraol (talk) 17:07, 19 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Just a general mark up note, you don't need to make a new section every time. You should have just made a new note above. Additionally, "?!?!" doesn't add or help anything for your question and/or argument. It's also just generally poor writing. On to the content, I agree with Spanneraol, if you want one, go ahead an make it. I don't have any issue with what is happening currently here, and everything doesn't have to be a perfect match to something else on the site. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 17:16, 19 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very muchPhoenix (talk) 17:54, 8 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

If you have got a chance to watch the last season finale, "Fast Enough", you—certainly—must have seen future moments that Barry also sees in the Speed Force during his time-travel, one of which concerns Caitlin Snow's fate as Killer Frost. I don't think this Killer Frost is the Killer Frost of Earth-2. Besides, it could be the Killer Frost of Earth-1 (which the showrunners haven't confirmed yet). That's why I did this on (one of) my last edits on this article, so I obviously disagree that Earth-2's Caitlin Snow's first apperance was on "Fast Enough". —Angga1061 14:52, 18 February 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Angga1061 (talk • contribs)

So, is there anyone who agrees with me? —Angga1061 14:03, 22 February 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Angga1061 (talk • contribs)

They are 2 different characters, and this page is call 'List of The Flash characters", not "List of The Flash cast members". I think they should be separated. Other Earth 2 equivalents weren't as notable as Harry so I get why they aren't given separate sections, but Harry was just too notable to be sharing a section with Thawne Do not revert (talk) 18:16, 3 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

If they were just guest characters then that would make sense, but they are main characters, and we list them based on the onscreen cast order and official press releases, etc. It's different for the list of Arrowverse actors, which is completely sorted by the last name of respective characters and so they are listed separately there. Another example is Grant Ward and Hive from Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.; they are listed separately at the list of MCU TV actors, but since they both come under the same actor in the main cast list they must be listed together everywhere else. Which is fine, we just have to make sure that it is clear that they are separate characters. - adamstom97 (talk) 19:14, 3 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

As Eobard Thawne isn't a "Harrison Wells", and is his own character, with a lot of rich history on both the show and the comics, I have renamed the "Harrison Wells" character section to "Harrison Wells/Eobard Thawne/Reverse-Flash" rather than separate section for Wells and Thawne, in order to continue keeping Tom Cavanagh's portrayals in one place. But there has been disagreement over crediting Matt Letscher in the top character row, and specifying him as recurring (for Letscher only) - this is Main Characters, not Main cast, and though Letscher isn't part of the main cast, he has portrayed a character who was for a season. Therefore, I see no harm in crediting both Main Cast' Cavanagh and Recurring Cast' Letscher in the credits. Furthermore, Thawne's history includes times when he was portrayed by Letscher in seasons when Thawne's not a main character (2+). — Preceding unsigned comment added by BzrSpr (talk • contribs) 02:25, 2 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Canvaugh has always portrayed "Harrison Wells" even if it was Thawne disguised as Wells. The way the article is, with Cavanugh's character listed as Harrison Wells is correct, with the notation in the text that he was Thawne in disguise. However, the "real" Thawne (aka Letscher) may deserve a character listing in the "Recurring characters" section, since he has appeared in both seasons 1 and 2, and has been seen in the teaser for season 3, indicating he will appear once again. But to the main point, the list for Cavanaugh is correct as is. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 04:01, 2 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@BzrSpr: If you have not already, please read WP:STATUSQUO. It states: If there is a dispute, editors are encouraged to work towards establishing consensus, not to have one's own way... During a dispute, until a consensus is established, the status quo should remain. Additionally, as you stated you were new on here, one of the main principles of Wikipedia is WP:BRD. You made a bold edit, it was reverted, now we are discussing. And since your change was the "bold edit", the status quo of the article was what it was before you changed it. So as I stated to you again in the edit summary, leave the article as is until a consensus is reached here, else you will be reported for edit warring. And please remember that the consensus may not be the version or outcome you want, and also may not be fully established at a time when you think it is has been. I have responded to you above, which you are free to answer. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 16:06, 2 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, sorry, I get what you mean now, about the Wikipedia rules. However, I still believe that the character profile should be named Harrison Wells / Eobard Thawne /Reverse-Flash, as even if he genetically modified himself to look like one - Eobard is not a "Harrison Wells". He is, in his own right, with a rich history in both the comics and the show, his own separate character - there's no "real Thawne" - there's just one Eobard Thawne, looking like Harrison Wells or not - as an avid comic book reader, I don't believe justice has been done to Eobard here. In all other TV Show character listings in Wikipedia, actors that portray more than one character have their characters grouped together - thus, I think it would be messy to have a separate recurring profile for the same character, just because Eobard is portrayed by two people. Furthermore, I also added extra history, and sorted Eobard's timeline's chronology - surely, I can add those back in, as they don't cause a dispute at all, as far as I see it. BzrSpr (talk) 05:11, 3 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

In the interest of putting reader's first, it is better to keep Cavanaugh listed as Harrison Well, with a note/description in his summary about being Thawne in disguise and noting Letscher there. It is not about "justice" being done. It is about the best portrayal of info for readers and what has actually occurred. And then, as I stated, Letscher could get his own listing under the "Recurring characters" listing, where his info can be expanded further. I'm also pinging @Bignole: who, if I remember correctly, helped determine how to portray Cavanaugh's info when it was revealed he was Thawne in disguise if they would like comment on these changes. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 20:22, 3 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Grant Ward / Hive has one section, though Hive's portrayed by multiple actors - so why can Wells/Thawne-as-Wells/Cavanagh not be combined with Thawne/Letscher? Anyway, I just want to contribute info, so for now, I'll make 2 sections for Letshcer and Cavanagh - but I see no problem in calling Wells' section Harrison Wells / Reverse-Flash. Barry's one, for example, is named Barry Allen / The Flash - though his Earth-2 self isn't The Flash - so though Harry-Wells isn't Reverse-Flash, Eobard-Wells was. So, can I now rename him to Harrison Wells / Reverse-Flash?

First, one what page does is not necessarily a reflection of how it should be. Whether that is through guideline, policy, or just general consensus on a page. As for Thawne and Wells, I think in this case it should be separate. With Ward and Hive, the actor playing Ward became Hive and it was the entire premise of the season. I don't know that I would actually credit him as "Hive" though anyway. That said, in the case of Wells, this was a character that existed and Thawne stole his identity and it was kept a secret. So, even for readers this is only Wells, and Thawne is a separate character. It's confusing I know, but I see Wells as one characters and Thawne as another, with Cavanaugh portraying Thawne pretending to be Wells. A better example would be like a body swap episode, whether that was Buffy, Smallville, or what have you. We typically don't credit the actors they are portraying like that, because there are distinctive characters present. Thawne has his own actor. Season one is really just one big body swap episode.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 11:32, 4 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Just to clarify for the Hive situation, we didn't list Brett Dalton as playing both Ward and Hive until he actually played the CGI "true"-Hive near the end of the season. Until then, we just credited him as Ward, and noted that the character of Hive was taking on Ward's likeness. If CGI Hive had been played by somebody else, then Hive would probably have gotten his own, separate section from Ward; I see this as a similar situation to that. Wells, portrayed by Cavanaugh, and Thawne, portrayed by Letscher, are two separate characters that should have their own sections (as a main character and recurring guest, respectively). Then, we should explain in prose the exact nature of the body swapping and everything. - adamstom97 (talk) 22:14, 4 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, so this page is really "List of The Flash characters - by actors", ok. Thanks for clarifying the portrayal listing - The situation between Letscher's Thawne and Cavanagh's Thawne-as-Wells similar to how River Song's different "regenerations" are treated as different characters (Mels, Melody Pond and Kingston's River). But, I want to ask, if the Wells' section can be named Harrison Wells / Reverse-Flash. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BzrSpr (talk • contribs) 02:52, 5 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I have added a recurring character profile for Matt Letscher / Eobard Thawne, which focuses primarily on Eobard's history as, well, Eobard, unlike the Tom Cavanagh / Harrison Wells one, which focuses primarily on Eobard's history as Wells.BzrSpr (talk) 05:29, 5 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to point out, however, that Cavanagh, although he didn't portray Eobard himself, did play the Reverse-Flash: Eobard-as-Wells or Eobard, he still portrayed the alter-ego: So, is it wrong to credit him as / Reverse-Flash, or would that go along with Letscher-Eobard only? BzrSpr / TheChronokinesist (talk) 16:45, 1 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Honestly, I think it is best if we just discuss him being Reverse-Flash in the prose. Just calling him Harrison Wells covers all the different versions of the character pretty well, and then when we are properly explaining each version we can say that for much of season one he is Thawne in disguise as Wells. And of course Thawne's section will credit him as the Reverse-Flash, so it should be pretty clear that Cavanaugh was the Reverse-Flash in the show, but only when he was portraying Thawne in disguise as Wells. - adamstom97 (talk) 22:07, 1 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, yes, you're right.BzrSpr / TheChronokinesist (talk) 08:53, 2 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Should separate distinctions be made for Flashpoint versions of characters, much like we did with Earth-2 versions? For example, John Wesley Shipp will be portraying the Flashpoint Henry Allen. Should he get another bullet point indicating this, or should the Flashpoint info be added to his Earth-1 Henry Allen text? The same question would apply to the other characters that make appearances in the Flashpoint universe. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 21:51, 4 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think we should treat them as completely different characters like the Earth-2 versions, but having a separate bullet the briefly mentions the major differences in the alternate timeline seems fine to me. So for Shipp, I would give him another bullet saying that he never went to jail, but in other situations like the list of actors page I wouldn't treat him as a completely new, separate character like we do with E1 and E2 Wells. - adamstom97 (talk) 22:31, 4 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The flashpoint characters wouldn't even be shown on the actors list because none of them crossover or are main characters. Earth 1 Wells isn't even on the Arrowverse list because he wasn't a main character either. This new H.R. wells could be included there if he turns out to be main status all season.NTC TNT (talk) 21:01, 27 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I just spent 10 minutes looking at this entire article, and I couldn't find Jay Garrick anywhere, I don't think I would be able to write the character description as I'm not finished the show yet, but I do believe that he should have a section. - Mwfd2002 (talk) 21:46, 18 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Jay Garrick is covered under John Wesley Shipp and Teddy Sears already Rfl0216 (talk) 23:48, 18 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ctrl/Cmd+F can help you search articles, especially on a page like this with a lot of text that might make it hard to pick out specific name. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 02:12, 19 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Due to the last crossover (hence, their appearance in one of its episodes on The Flash), I think we have to start adding the information to the characters that have appeared on Flash and also star on Legends. Angga1061 06:19, 4 December 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Angga1061 (talk • contribs)

This very-crufty page was tagged for copyediting, but Favre1fan93 doesn't seem interested in the MOS (MOS:SLASH, at least). Fanpage articles are difficult to make encyclopedic, so I'm outta here and wish other editors better luck in the future. Miniapolis 20:13, 21 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Miniapolis: You're work is appreciated. However, this and the other instances are not in violation of MOS:SLASH. I also don't know how restoring this back is in anyway inhibiting you from continuing to copy edit the article if you choose to. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 22:44, 21 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, but no thanks; I'm working on Media of Belarus now. Miniapolis 23:16, 21 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Why is it that sometimes Julian is listed as a main character and sometimes he's just recurring? He was initially announced as a main character. Same goes for Adrian Chase on Arrow. NTC TNT (talk) 00:05, 16 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Julian is recurring because Tom Felton gets "Special appearance" credit each time he appears, which is not "starring" credit. Different from Adrian Chase, as Josh Segarra is credited as a main cast member every episode, even if he doesn't appear. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 17:15, 16 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This page may be too long to read and navigate comfortably, thus should split the content as proposed into sub-articles.--NeoBatfreak (talk) 18:57, 30 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I agree about this article getting quite long, but I don't think Iris West, Eddie Thawne, Joe West and Wally West need separate articles (yet). Barry Allen and Harrison Wells have drafts already. Please feel free to add to them. I'm planning to work on them this summer. - Brojam (talk) 19:54, 30 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The plot of each character is vastly over detailed. Cut much of that down, and you have a much more manageable article, without the need to split off separate articles, which would be much of the same. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 03:11, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]