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The Jewish Task Force likes to use this term, mention them? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.234.197.107 (talk) 05:57, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There are dozens of right-wing Zionist and Jewish groups that attack their (Jewish) opponents by calling them self-hating Jews. I don't think there's any reason to mention them. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 02:31, 18 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Considering the number of high profile Jews who have been accused of it and criticized the phrase and/or allegation, doesn't the article need a criticism section, not just a paragraph with two sentences of criticisms surrounding one sentence which seems to support the phrase (unless it is written unclearly). CarolMooreDC (talk) 14:10, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I completely agree. How can we have balance if we're taking large portions of this concept at face value? Clearly, there are large number of Jews who abhor the treatment of Palestinians by the State of Israel, e.g. Jews for Justice for Palestinians, and who are proud of their Semitic heritage, and yet the article wholly ignores them. This article's grasp of self-hatred is contrived at best and rather politically-inclined, specifically surrounding the Arab–Israeli conflict. The main problem with this article is the absolute lack of balance and lack of differing points of view. IMHO, this should be resolved ipso facto.--TheBridgekeeper (talk) 03:19, 9 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I think a major cause for many of us Jews would be extreme embarrassment - not self hatred. If you grow up and largely live outside the Jewish cultural ( racial fairly pure but never immersed in the day to day propaganda of a culture ), you are embarrassed. It is strange to see blind adherence to beliefs that are irrelavant ( even provably false ) to most questions. Boy would I have had to be beaten as a kid to believe most of it - probably still wouldn't have, just been sore. Even the article on SelfHatred can't escape the indoctination. 159.105.80.220 (talk) 20:42, 3 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It's the purpose of the term to imply that if a Jew does not agree with racist and elitist views of Jews, Jewish political destiny, and/or Zionism, they are somehow not a "real" Jew, and worse, must loath being a Jew. It sounds rather like a extreme form of bigoted PC brainwashing to me.

What are you talking about? What "racist and elitist views of Jews, Jewish political destiny, and/or Zionism?" Do you even have any idea what Zionism is? What have you been reading? Where did you get this stuff? Are you really Jewish, or are you a Jew-hater troll pretenfing to be Jewish as a part of your ugly game? Or are you both? (If you are both, that proves the reality of se;f-hating Jew.)

For your information, I have been beaten too many times to remember for being Jewish. And worse than beaten.

75.82.34.127 (talk) 06:40, 7 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Someone should include some pop cultural references, such as the episode of Curb Your Enthusiasm where Larry David is accused of being a self-hating Jew. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.67.39.120 (talk) 04:55, 19 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Please, no "In popular culture" section. Please. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 17:19, 19 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

BAn RfC: Which descriptor, if any, can be added in front of Southern Poverty Law Center when referenced in other articles? has been posted at the Southern Poverty Law Center talk page. Your participation is welcomed. – MrX 17:16, 22 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'm a Jew but am quite anti zionist and have been accused of being self hating before. However I know that self hating Jews exist because I've come across them online, they don't think the holocaust existed and repeat Nazi dogmas. Is there a recognition that sometimes the whole definition of a self-hating Jew can include anti-zionism, but that's not the only thing it could include? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.108.63.6 (talk) 02:58, 28 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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In my last edit I have made two major changes to the article.

First of all, a "Controversy and criticism of the term" section. Please note that this section is not criticism of the concept of a Jew being bad for the Jewish community (so Jewish Anti-Zionism does not qualify per se), nor is it about people who may or may not be considered "Self-hating Jews" (so don't turn the section into a discussion whether or not someone is a "Self-hating Jew"); the section is specifically for cases where reliable secondary or tertiary sources have either noted controversy around someone being called a "Self-hating Jew" OR directly criticize the way the term is commonly used today. The term "Self-hating Jew" or "Self-loathing Jew" (or something unambiguously close) MUST be present in these sources lest it becomes a WP:SYNTHESIS section.

Second of all, I removed several groups and persons from the "See also" section. This was merely a bold action that I feel complies with our policy related to how we no longer assign ideological categories (e.g. Antisemitism) to pages of persons and organizations, no matter how obvious it is that they are. This is not meant to be censorship, though. A sourced section that describes known cases of self-hating Jews or self-hating Jewish groups would be perfectly viable. Thanks. Bataaf van Oranje (Prinsgezinde) (talk) 11:45, 4 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The rabbis of the Talmud didn't write about self-hating Jews, so citing the Talmud is impermissible original research. Ditto for most of the other sources cited in the text I reverted.

This is an article about the phrase "self-hating Jew", not about Jews perceived (by whom?) to be acting against the interests of other Jews. If the source isn't about the phrase, chances are you're engaging in original research.

Finally, writing about living people requires special care, such as only citing sources of the highest quality. That care was not exercised. — MShabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 13:30, 23 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

1. The article is not just about the "phraze" Self-Hating Jews, it's mainly about Jews with antisemitic views (and of course not about people who hate themselves).

The rabbies of the Talmudic era (The Byzantine empire era) had actually spoken exactly about "self hating Jews", of course not in English, but this is the term taken from the biblical Hebrew: Meharsayich - your destroyers. That is what Lessing wrote in the book Der Jüdische Selbsthass, with some of the examples I brought up!! And he quoted some of the Hebrew and Yiddish books (about Frank, the Chmelnitsky massacres, during the Spanish inquisition and the crusades. and more). So Lessing definitely was not the first to bring up the topic, nor even the first to create the phraze in any language (In Hebrew and Yiddish, rather than using the term Self, the term Israel was used: "Soyneh Yisroel").

The other parts of my edit, and edits added to it (hey people, identify yourselves!), were DEFINITELY NOT original research but all good sources (which I will immediately discuss), showing that every person discussed was accused of being a "self-hating Jew" or of holding antisemitic views. Two anonymous people added to what I wrote, with good sources as well. In the FEW cases of living people, I listed them under controversy, explicitly spoke of the accusations being accusations and claims, and in each case brought down their own response - some of them refuting the claim, sometimes agreeing with it wholesale. When bringing their own words, it is acceptable to use opinion sources, but those were the minority (Trotsky, Chomsky etc.). If the living person herself says that she is being accused of being antisemitic, then there is no need for a second-hand source to show it. And still, most of the sources I brought down were only a second source following a well-sourced first source that showed the accusation itself, from published books and accepted mainstream media outlets.

So I call on my fellow wikipedians to please decide. As it is written currently, the article is in terrible condition, discussing "the phraze" instead of the term, reducing it to the claims today only, and hiding the full scope of the phenomenon which definitely exists and existed as scientific research shows, albeit not necessarily as claimed by some and refuted by others.פשוט pashute ♫ (talk) 08:07, 24 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• The article is about phenomenon of Jews with antisemitic or antisemitic-like views, and not just about the phrase.
• The phenomenon and term in other languages has existed for many years before Lessing, who compiled it in a book.
• The last deleted version was well sourced and the discussion of the living people was legitimate and widely discussed in mainstream media. So this is Wikipedia:Crying "BLP!"

Revert MShabazz's bulk deletion (twice! once without discussing).

• Agree - as discussed above פשוט pashute ♫ (talk) 08:07, 24 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]