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Anon contribution moved here -- are you saying that bubonic plague and its interaction with humans has evolved over 2,400 years? Certainly possible. And then are you saying that a bubonic plague has been blamed for other outbreaks of known diseases? Please clarify and re-enter your edit. Thank you. [[User:WBardwin|WBardwin]] 02:14, 11 November 2005 (UTC) |
Anon contribution moved here -- are you saying that bubonic plague and its interaction with humans has evolved over 2,400 years? Certainly possible. And then are you saying that a bubonic plague has been blamed for other outbreaks of known diseases? Please clarify and re-enter your edit. Thank you. [[User:WBardwin|WBardwin]] 02:14, 11 November 2005 (UTC) |
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Clarify, please
- It is believed that after 2,400 years the disease has probably evolved, but the plague has been attributed to a number of known diseases.
Anon contribution moved here -- are you saying that bubonic plague and its interaction with humans has evolved over 2,400 years? Certainly possible. And then are you saying that a bubonic plague has been blamed for other outbreaks of known diseases? Please clarify and re-enter your edit. Thank you. WBardwin 02:14, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
Clean up tag
Please list below concerns or issues which led to the placement of the clean up tag. Thank you. WBardwin 02:05, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
- I've made a few recent clean ups -- as have other editors since January. Does anyone have specific concerns at this point? Any direction the article needs to go? Let's plan on removing the tag soon. Discussion welcome. WBardwin 06:27, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
- No comments received. Removing tag. WBardwin 20:29, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
Cause of the Plague of Athens
The cause appears to have been typhoid fever.[1]
First paragraph of article:
Athens, Greece, January 23, 2006 – Scientists have for many years debated the cause of the Plague of Athens. Analysis carried out by Manolis Papagrigorakis and colleagues using DNA collected from teeth from an ancient Greek burial pit points to typhoid fever as the disease responsible for this devastating epidemic. The study appears on the online version of The International Journal of Infectious Diseases (IJID) published by Elsevier on behalf of the International Society for Infectious Diseases.
69.6.162.160 02:51, 24 January 2006 (UTC)Brian Pearson
Here is another example of where Wikipedia trumps more 'official' resources. I am going off of the Encyclopedia Britannica 2006 for this project, and supplementing with Wikipedia where appropriate, and it is great to find more current information here. Joey 02:15, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
Differential Diagnosis
I completed a fairly thorough examination of this topic as a medical student. I did not conclude that Pericles suffered from the same disease as the Plague of Athens as he seemed to have a very different set of symtoms to the classic disease. My conclusion was that the Plague was most similar to a haemorrhagic fever, like ebola or Marburg virus, as part of this study I also went through most other suggested diagnoses and explained why I thought they were wrong. It is worth remembering we have only one source for a description of the symptoms.
- The clinical symptoms do look like a hemorrhagic fever, but the epidemiology does not. Those disease, especially the vicious African fevers, are spread through blood contact, correct? I am constantly irritated by the Associated Press writing articles about Ebola outbreaks in particular, and referring to Ebola as "highly contagious" Scary does not equal highly contagious. --Dan (talk) 17:06, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
Differential
Any chance I could have a read of that paper, I'm quite interested in the prevelance of haemorrhagic fevers —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.239.6.72 (talk) 12:05, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
War outcomes
The hastily written section on the plague's effect on the outcome of the war as well as the reference to the eventual Macedon conquest is pretty lame. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.144.143.69 (talk) 16:33, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Questionable claim in "Typhoid fever" section
Bottom paragraph in section begins: "As Typhoid is most commonly transmitted through poor hygiene habits and public sanitation conditions, it is an unlikely cause of a widespread plague, emerging in Africa and moving into the Greek city states, as reported by Thucydides." (Emphasis mine.)
Much other information in this article indicates that typhoid would be more likely rather than unlikely under those transmission conditions, at least in overcrowded, war-torn Athens, but the sentence cites no authority one can check so, unless someone objects I suggest we draw the conclusion consistent with the evidence and logic, rather than this one, or delete it as original research, or find a reliable source. Meanwhile I will change "As Typhoid" to "As typhoid" since the disease name is not a proper name. —Blanchette (talk) 07:00, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
- Added "[clarification needed]" tag as Athens was certainly subject to unsanitary conditions at this time and the African origin issue is not explained as to relevance. —Blanchette (talk) 22:03, 5 July 2014 (UTC)