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http://liberapedia.wikia.com/wiki/A._Wyatt_Mann

Seems there's a lot of association between the two online. Their art styles are similar enough it's believable, but I've not seen anything conclusive. Can anyone confirm or disprove this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.121.47.89 (talk) 06:00, 4 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

From my understanding, he is considered the most likely "suspect" and having seen Bougas' illustrations, I have to agree. But no, as far as I'm aware, there's nothing conclusive, just speculation. CrinklyCrunk (talk) 16:44, 5 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I think a section should be added addressing this, but I don't think Mr. Bougas has ever made an official statement on this. PromethiumElemental (talk) 05:57, 10 July 2016 (UTC)PromethiumElemental[reply]

I did my best to mention the speculations about the Mann/Bougas connection. Jean-Jacques Georges (talk) 21:39, 1 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Regrettably, a Buzzfeed article doesn't quite rise to the level of wp:rs. Also, massive undue weight issues with creating paragraphs of paragraphs of whinging rhetoric about a fragment of a cartoon. He himself has not confirmed whether he is or isn't A Wyatt Mann, and we're thusly liable to wp:living. Is he the artist behind those cartoons? Of course he is. It's obvious, but the relevant point here is what is or isn't permitted on Wikipedia, per certain sources. As noted, Wikipedia is not a social justice signaling soapbox. Man draws provocative cartoons 25 years ago... to a thundering herd of internet idealists, that's all that matters but per Wikipedia policies, there are other things that govern what can and cannot go into an article. If whining trash is the standard, then go edit the aforementioned "liberapedia". FactsAndHonesty (talk) 18:30, 11 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Meh. Sorry, but I find it hard to take FactsAndHonesty's arguments seriously, as he considers Mann's blatantly racist drawings to be "Dissident/provocative cartooning". It's not about "a fragment of a cartoon", it's about dozens of such cartoons. As for the "whining trash" bit, that's not even an argument IMHO.

Since A. Wyatt Mann is probably better known than Bougas, and the Bougas/Mann connexion is pretty much everywhere, we definitely have to address it somehow. "WP:Undue" does not apply here, although we may use more details about his career. As for the Buzzfeed source, well it's an article written by a professional writer (i.e. legitimate content) and not the clickbait trash you also find on the same website. When Buzzfeed provides real content, it can be used as a source on wikipedia, and indeed it is quite often. Neptune's Trident (article's creator), CrinklyCrunk and TheZoolooMaster may want to give their opinion about this matter, but I'd say 1) we have to address this matter since it falls into "what can and cannot go into an article" 2) the Buzzfeed article is the best source we have about Mann or Bougas, so using it is not a problem.

Anyway, since Bougas is not that notable, we may also nominate the page for deletion : I wouldn't mind. Jean-Jacques Georges (talk) 14:10, 12 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't advise deleting the article, I'd say Bougas has accomplished enough as a filmmaker and media personality to be notable. Full disclosure, I am the author of this article and I did originally want to include this BuzzFeed article in the original version of the Bougas Wikipedia entry -- but it kept getting removed by other Wikipedia editors who kept saying that BuzzFeed wasn't a reliable source and therefore the controversy about the offensive cartoons could not be added to the article without better sources. I couldn't find any other than the BuzzFeed article so it wasn't allowed to stay in the article when it was first created several months ago. Neptune's Trident (talk) 16:53, 12 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]