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:No, you'll get Pu alright; the Np will decay in short order to Pu-239. This is the reaction that occurs in a reactor. But deuterons will work too; you'll just get Pu-238 instead. That's what had me confused. I'm convinced that you're correct, and that deuterons were used. [[User:Hawkeye7|Hawkeye7]] ([[User talk:Hawkeye7|talk]]) 21:40, 15 September 2015 (UTC) |
:No, you'll get Pu alright; the Np will decay in short order to Pu-239. This is the reaction that occurs in a reactor. But deuterons will work too; you'll just get Pu-238 instead. That's what had me confused. I'm convinced that you're correct, and that deuterons were used. [[User:Hawkeye7|Hawkeye7]] ([[User talk:Hawkeye7|talk]]) 21:40, 15 September 2015 (UTC) |
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::Right and wrong, You get Np wich decays to a Pu which has a comparable long have-life which was not visible in the decay of the Np. So they only found Np. To get Pu they used heavier artillery. Do you want to have the 1941 publication?--[[User:Stone|Stone]] ([[User talk:Stone|talk]]) 18:26, 16 September 2015 (UTC) |
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FAR?
An editor has suggested that this article may need to undergo a featured article review, citing in particular the cleanup tags present in the article. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:48, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
- I can find one inconsequential drive-by {{clarify}} tag and one rather trivial {{globalize}} tag in the entire article. None of which have been clarified on the talk page or even an edit summary. Kolbasz (talk) 01:35, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
- I have been bold and have removed the tags. I don't think clarification is needed and agree that the "globalize" tag should have been followed-up by the tagger here. Graham Beards (talk) 09:51, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
- Nikkimaria, please ask the editor to raise the concerns here. Axl ¤ [Talk] 13:23, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
- I have been bold and have removed the tags. I don't think clarification is needed and agree that the "globalize" tag should have been followed-up by the tagger here. Graham Beards (talk) 09:51, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
There is plenty of uncited text; is anyone addressing it? It is time for the FAR to be reinstated. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 04:36, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
I'll try to address as many of them as I can over the next few days. Double sharp (talk) 14:09, 31 January 2015 (UTC)- Unfortunately I'll have to retract that statement: things are getting a bit heated in WP's coverage of polytopes... Double sharp (talk) 15:07, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
@FAR coordinators: Nonetheless, this many weeks in, with uncited text, the FAR needs to be taken off hold and listed so others can re-evaluate. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:55, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
Paramagnetism
Someone whose exotic-magnetism chops are less rusty than mine should express an opinion as to whether Study confirms, Plutonium has no Magnetism (currently cited under Science, but no subheading, on Google News) and/or other new Google hits indeed require updating our coverage on the accompanying article, which appears to me be satisfied (as of an unrelated edit an hour ago) with "Magnetic ordering [is] paramagnetic" (in the InfoBox) as the only magnetism-relevant fact.
It also makes me wonder if the new result suggests the paramagnetism would extinguish at temperatures sufficiently low that thermal noise is lower than energy-level differences anomalously close between states differing (i presume) in more than a single quantum number ....? (I'd bet there are at least some editors who have a better idea than i about which related but more general quantum-magnetism topics are likely to have been edited by the most suitable editors for the task.)
--Jerzy•t 07:51 & 07:56, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
Deutrons
"Plutonium (specifically, plutonium-238) was first produced and isolated on December 14, 1940, and chemically identified on February 23, 1941, by ... by deuteron bombardment of uranium in the 60-inch (150 cm) cyclotron.." is incorrect - Plutonium was produced by neutron bombardment of uranium. The neutrons were produced by deutron bombardment of a beryllium target in the cyclotron [1]. Sentence is also unclear, mixing production/isolation/identification. Rtombs (talk) 13:26, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
Corrected. Hawkeye7 (talk) 21:30, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
- doi:10.1038/35020248 states something different:
"The uranium sample that ultimately yielded element 94 was bombarded with deuterons in the Berkeley 60-inch cyclotron on 14 December 1940."
--Stone (talk) 22:12, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
"238 92U + 2 1H --> 238 93 Np + 1 0n + 1 0n "
--Stone (talk) 22:26, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
- The title of the seaborg paper looks a lot different to the text we have now in the article. "Radioactive Element 94 from Deuterons on Uranium". Phys. Rev. 69: 366. 1946. doi:10.1103/PhysRev.69.366.2.
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ignored (help)--Stone (talk) 22:31, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
- The title of the seaborg paper looks a lot different to the text we have now in the article. "Radioactive Element 94 from Deuterons on Uranium". Phys. Rev. 69: 366. 1946. doi:10.1103/PhysRev.69.366.2.
- Thank you, Hawkeye. Another original source is Phys Rev v57 p1185 [[1]] Rtombs (talk) 22:40, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
I undid the changes. Even the new given reference states for the 14. December that a deuteron beam was used. To search for element 94. The proved that if you use the beryllium you only get element 93.--Stone (talk) 21:21, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
- No, you'll get Pu alright; the Np will decay in short order to Pu-239. This is the reaction that occurs in a reactor. But deuterons will work too; you'll just get Pu-238 instead. That's what had me confused. I'm convinced that you're correct, and that deuterons were used. Hawkeye7 (talk) 21:40, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
- Right and wrong, You get Np wich decays to a Pu which has a comparable long have-life which was not visible in the decay of the Np. So they only found Np. To get Pu they used heavier artillery. Do you want to have the 1941 publication?--Stone (talk) 18:26, 16 September 2015 (UTC)