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'Criticism' section overlong
The 'criticism' section is too long. There are about one and a half paragraphs describing, basically, conspiracy theories, and a further five paragraphs telling us why the conspiracy theories are wrong. As it stands, the article protests too much against conspiracy theories. We don't need to hear why William Domhoff, Chip Berlet, Kenneth P. Vogel, and James McConnachie each think the conspiracy theories are wrong. Their views on this subject are not notable. A suitable length would be about two paragraphs, mentioning the existence of conspiracy theories, along with the existing quotes from Davignon and Healey. It should probably also be called 'Conspiracy theories', as that is what it's about. - Crosbie 17:42, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
- I removed the Vogel paragraph. - Crosbie 13:00, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
- Also the McConnachie paragraph. - Crosbie 13:03, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
'Secret societies'?
This article is currently tagged with {{WikiProject Secret Societies}}. This seems odd to me: the Bilderberg Group may be many things, but it is not secret. The existence of the group is not a secret; the locations and dates of its conferences are public information; this year even the list of attendees has been released. Reading the 'Scope' section of Wikipedia:WikiProject Secret Societies, I don't think it fits - that page makes clear the WikiProject is for private membership organisations with some sort of oath or rite of initiation, which doesn't describe the Bilderberg. The WikiProject template should be removed. Robofish (talk) 12:50, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
Wikipedia and mainstream media conspire to keep the public uninformed of the Bilderberg group and its members
Wikipedia is known for its biast reporting. Just Google Wikipedia Bias for more info. The mainstream media and Wikipedia conspire to keep the public uninformed about the Bilderberg Group by not reporting the event and deleting information referring to the event. The proof is in the info targeted for deletion by Wikipedia. If the Bilderberg group wasn't a secret organization, why does Wikipedia hide info from the public? Undelete the names of all individuals who attend Bilderberg.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2335440/Guest-list-secretive-Bilderberg-conference-shows-Osborne-Balls-join-Amazon-Google-chiefs.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.221.213.177 (talk) 15:26, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
Page " List of Bilderberg meeting participants of 2013 " should be created
A " List of Bilderberg meeting participants of 2013 " page should be created.
See the article: List of Bilderberg meeting participants of 2011 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.145.39.187 (talk) 16:34, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
- I'm not sure the 2011 article should exist, but if a reliable source for the 2013 list can be found, it might not be a bad idea. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 16:50, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
The neutrality of this article is disputed
The neutrality of this article is disputed, as information is deleted. Even info on this talk pages is deleted. Let the facts speak for itself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.230.220.145 (talk) 09:52, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
- No reason yet presented for the tag. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 10:10, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
- POV tag required because discussions in talk page is removed.
- Provide a list of all participants of 2013 Bilderberg Group Meeting at the Grove Hotel, near Watford, in Hertfordshire.
Example: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2336847/Bilderberg-2013-Who-billionaires-politicians-arriving-secretive-conference-Watford-hotel.html
- Information is selectively deleted to hide the fact the 2013 Bilderberg Group meeting is currently being held at the Grove Hotel, near Watford, in Hertfordshire, UK — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.230.220.145 (talk) 10:50, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
- Anonymous contributor, at 60.230.220.145 -
- Your unhappiness with what has happened in the talk page is not a reason to tag the article itself with a POV tag.
- The appropriate place for a list of participants is on the page List of Bilderberg participants
- The article currently gives the location of the ongoing 2013 meeting, with dates.
- No good reason has been given for the current POV tag - Crosbie 11:14, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
Mainstream media coverage of event
The lack of coverage of the event by the mainstream media needs to be discussed, as the accusations are valid. Most western countries have no coverage of this secretive event. Allegations were made by the same individuals whom attend Bilderberg meetings are responsible for the media black-out of the event by means of intimidation. CNN had a lame excuse the request for participation was lost in the mail. CNN will cover any other event - with or without the approval of organizers of other events. Coverage of Bilderberg wasn't on the front page of CNN, but hidden on the CNN website. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.230.220.145 (talk) 10:58, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
- Which are the "countries" of which you speak? The current meeting is certainly being covered by the UK media, in so much as a private event can be covered. Nick Cooper (talk) 09:25, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
BILDERBERG CONFERENCE 2013: FULL LIST OF PARTICIPANTS
The following names needs to be included on the proposed page of "List of Bilderberg meeting participants of 2013" See: List of Bilderberg meeting participants of 2011
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Castries, Henri de (chairman), Chairman and CEO, AXA Group
Ackermann, Josef Chairman of the Board, Zurich Insurance Group Ltd Agius, Marcus Former Chairman, Barclays plc Alexander, Helen Chairman, UBM plc Altman, Roger C. Executive Chairman, Evercore Partners Apunen, Matti Director, Finnish Business and Policy Forum EVA Athey, Susan Professor of Economics, Stanford Graduate School of Business Aydıntaşbaş, Aslı Columnist, Milliyet Newspaper Babacan, Ali Deputy Prime Minister for Economic and Financial Affairs Balls, Edward M. Shadow Chancellor of the Exchequer Balsemão, Francisco Pinto Chairman and CEO, IMPRESA Barré, Nicolas Managing Editor, Les Echos Barroso, José M. Durão President, European Commission Baverez, Nicolas Partner, Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher LLP Bavinchove, Olivier de Commander, Eurocorps Bell, John Regius Professor of Medicine, University of Oxford Bernabè, Franco Chairman and CEO, Telecom Italia S.p.A. Bezos, Jeff Founder and CEO, Amazon.com Bildt, Carl Minister for Foreign Affairs Borg, Anders Minister for Finance Boxmeer, Jean François van Chairman of the Executive Board and CEO, Heineken N.V. Brandtzæg, Svein Richard President and CEO, Norsk Hydro ASA Bronner, Oscar Publisher, Der Standard Medienwelt Carrington, Peter Former Honorary Chairman, Bilderberg Meetings Cebrián, Juan Luis Executive Chairman, Grupo PRISA Clark, W. Edmund President and CEO, TD Bank Group Clarke, Kenneth Member of Parliament Corydon, Bjarne Minister of Finance Cowper-Coles, Sherard Business Development Director, International, BAE Systems plc Cucchiani, Enrico Tommaso CEO, Intesa Sanpaolo SpA Davignon, Etienne Minister of State; Former Chairman, Bilderberg Meetings Davis, Ian Senior Partner Emeritus, McKinsey & Company Dijkgraaf, Robbert H. Director and Leon Levy Professor, Institute for Advanced Study Dinçer, Haluk President, Retail and Insurance Group, Sabancı Holding A.S. Dudley, Robert Group Chief Executive, BP plc Eberstadt, Nicholas N. Henry Wendt Chair in Political Economy, American Enterprise Institute Eide, Espen Barth Minister of Foreign Affairs Ekholm, Börje President and CEO, Investor AB Enders, Thomas CEO, EADS Evans, J. Michael Vice Chairman, Goldman Sachs & Co. Federspiel, Ulrik Executive Vice President, Haldor Topsøe A/S Feldstein, Martin S. Professor of Economics, Harvard University; President Emeritus, NBER Fillon, François Former Prime Minister Fishman, Mark C. President, Novartis Institutes for BioMedical Research Flint, Douglas J. Group Chairman, HSBC Holdings plc Gallagher, Paul Senior Counsel Geithner, Timothy F. Former Secretary of the Treasury Gfoeller, Michael Political Consultant Graham, Donald E. Chairman and CEO, The Washington Post Company Grillo, Ulrich CEO, Grillo-Werke AG Gruber, Lilli Journalist - Anchorwoman, La 7 TV Guindos, Luis de Minister of Economy and Competitiveness Gulliver, Stuart Group Chief Executive, HSBC Holdings plc Gutzwiller, Felix Member of the Swiss Council of States Halberstadt, Victor Professor of Economics, Leiden University Heinonen, Olli Senior Fellow, Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs, Harvard Kennedy School Henry, Simon CFO, Royal Dutch Shell plc Hermelin, Paul Chairman and CEO, Capgemini Group Isla, Pablo Chairman and CEO, Inditex Group Jacobs, Kenneth M. Chairman and CEO, Lazard Johnson, James A. Chairman, Johnson Capital Partners Jordan, Thomas J. Chairman of the Governing Board, Swiss National Bank Jordan, Jr., Vernon E. Managing Director, Lazard Freres & Co. LLC Kaplan, Robert D. Chief Geopolitical Analyst, Stratfor Karp, Alex Founder and CEO, Palantir Technologies Kerr, John Independent Member, House of Lords Kissinger, Henry A. Chairman, Kissinger Associates, Inc. Kleinfeld, Klaus Chairman and CEO, Alcoa Knot, Klaas H.W. President, De Nederlandsche Bank Koç, Mustafa V. Chairman, Koç Holding A.S. Koch, Roland CEO, Bilfinger SE Kravis, Henry R. Co-Chairman and Co-CEO, Kohlberg Kravis Roberts & Co. Kravis, Marie-Josée Senior Fellow and Vice Chair, Hudson Institute Kudelski, André Chairman and CEO, Kudelski Group Kyriacopoulos, Ulysses Chairman, S&B Industrial Minerals S.A. Lagarde, Christine Managing Director, International Monetary Fund Lauk, Kurt J. Chairman of the Economic Council to the CDU, Berlin Lessig, Lawrence Roy L. Furman Professor of Law and Leadership, Harvard Law School Leysen, Thomas Chairman of the Board of Directors, KBC Group Lindner, Christian Party Leader, Free Democratic Party (FDP NRW) Löfven, Stefan Party Leader, Social Democratic Party (SAP) Löscher, Peter President and CEO, Siemens AG Mandelson, Peter Chairman, Global Counsel; Chairman, Lazard International Mathews, Jessica T. President, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace McKenna, Frank Chair, Brookfield Asset Management Micklethwait, John Editor-in-Chief, The Economist Montbrial, Thierry de President, French Institute for International Relations Monti, Mario Former Prime Minister Mundie, Craig J. Senior Advisor to the CEO, Microsoft Corporation Nagel, Alberto CEO, Mediobanca Netherlands, H.R.H. Princess Beatrix of The Ng, Andrew Y. Co-Founder, Coursera Ollila, Jorma Chairman, Royal Dutch Shell, plc Omand, David Visiting Professor, King's College London Osborne, George Chancellor of the Exchequer Ottolenghi, Emanuele Senior Fellow, Foundation for Defense of Democracies Özel, Soli Senior Lecturer, Kadir Has University; Columnist, Habertürk Newspaper Papahelas, Alexis Executive Editor, Kathimerini Newspaper Pavey, Şafak Member of Parliament (CHP) Pécresse, Valérie Member of Parliament (UMP) Perle, Richard N. Resident Fellow, American Enterprise Institute Petraeus, David H. General, U.S. Army (Retired) Portas, Paulo Minister of State and Foreign Affairs Prichard, J. Robert S. Chair, Torys LLP Reding, Viviane Vice President and Commissioner for Justice, European Commission Reisman, Heather M. CEO, Indigo Books & Music Inc. Rey, Hélène Professor of Economics, London Business School Robertson, Simon Partner, Robertson Robey Associates LLP; Deputy Chairman, HSBC Holdings Rocca, Gianfelice Chairman,Techint Group Rostowski, Jacek Minister of Finance and Deputy Prime Minister Rubin, Robert E. Co-Chairman, Council on Foreign Relations; Former Secretary of the Treasury Rutte, Mark Prime Minister Schieder, Andreas State Secretary of Finance Schmidt, Eric E. Executive Chairman, Google Inc. Scholten, Rudolf Member of the Board of Executive Directors, Oesterreichische Kontrollbank AG Seguro, António José Secretary General, Socialist Party Senard, Jean-Dominique CEO, Michelin Group Skogen Lund, Kristin Director General, Confederation of Norwegian Enterprise Slaughter, Anne-Marie Bert G. Kerstetter '66 University Professor of Politics and International Affairs, Princeton Sutherland, Peter D. Chairman, Goldman Sachs International Taylor, Martin Former Chairman, Syngenta AG Thiam, Tidjane Group CEO, Prudential plc Thiel, Peter A. President, Thiel Capital Thompson, Craig B. President and CEO, Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center Topsøe, Jakob Haldor Partner, AMBROX Capital A/S Urpilainen, Jutta Minister of Finance Vasella, Daniel L. Honorary Chairman, Novartis AG Voser, Peter R. CEO, Royal Dutch Shell plc Wall, Brad Premier of Saskatchewan Wallenberg, Jacob Chairman, Investor AB Warsh, Kevin Distinguished Visiting Fellow, The Hoover Institution, Stanford University Weston, Galen G. Executive Chairman, Loblaw Companies Limited Williams of Crosby, Shirley Member, House of Lords Wolf, Martin H. Chief Economics Commentator, The Financial Times Wolfensohn, James D. Chairman and CEO, Wolfensohn and Company Wright, David Vice Chairman, Barclays plc Zoellick, Robert B. Distinguished Visiting Fellow, Peterson Institute for International Economics |
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2335440/Guest-list-secretive-Bilderberg-conference-shows-Osborne-Balls-join-Amazon-Google-chiefs.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.215.93.113 (talk) 12:15, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
- Could be placed in List of Bilderberg meeting participants of 2013 (or, since IPs can't create articles, Wikipedia:Articles for creation/List of Bilderberg meeting participants of 2013), if there was a reliable source. (The Daily Mail is hardly ever a reliable source.) There's no reason for the list to be here. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 17:55, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
- The papers just copied it from the Bilderberg website. It's linked in 2013 Bilderberg Conference. Perhaps there's enough room in the latter article for the list. Horatio (talk) 23:47, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
Gerard Batten MEP, UKIP (London), Europe of Freedom and Democracy (EFD & Why don't the mainstream media report on Bilderberg meetings?
Speaker: Gerard Batten MEP, UKIP (London), Europe of Freedom and Democracy (EFD) group informed the mainstream media about the Bilderberg Group event:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5A5jNylGgds
On Thursday 6th June I attended the press area outside the Bilderberg conference adjacent to the grounds of the Grove Hotel in Watford. It was encouraging to see that representatives of the mainstream media were present for the first time in the 59 years that these meetings have been taking place annually. This included the BBC and Channel 4
I was interviewed by many news stations, national and international, and by independent film makers. Most enjoyably of all I was inteviewed by Alex Jones of ‘Info Wars’ fame in the USA. You can see it by cliking on this link, and here I give my perspective on the Bilderberg Group.
The existence of the Bilderberg Group can no longer be kept as a secret because of the internet, and they have decided to adopt a PR strategy. The media are participating in that, and it will be interesting to see how these meetings are represented.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBfrf-qqE3w — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.215.93.113 (talk) 13:06, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
UKIP MEP Gerard Batten expands on his May 20 Bilderberg speech in the European Paliament
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=korRypDeTT0 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.215.93.113 (talk) 13:28, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
- If the YouTube videos were authenticated copies of reliable sources (such as news footage), they could be relevant. However, I would go so far as to say that anyone who "enjoyably ... was interviewed by Alex Jones" cannot possibly be a reliable source, even for his own statements. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 18:04, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
Pending changes protection requested
I've requested that this page be granted Pending changes protection, at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection. I hope I've done this correctly.
A series of edits by unregistered users with Australian IP addresses have been used to attempt to insert unsourced or irrelevant information, and repeatedly tag the page as POV when these edits are rejected. - Crosbie 13:56, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
'Conspiracy theories' category
This article should not be tagged with Category:Conspiracy theories. The Bilderberg Group is not a conspiracy theory. There are conspiracy theories about the Bilderberg group. There are conspiracy theories about 9/11, but we don't put the 9/11 article in 'Category:Conspiracy theories'. - Crosbie 18:00, 1 May 2013 (UTC)