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: Yes, just remove it. The general tag is completely inappropriate, since generally the article is well referenced, and the specific areas that need citations have been specifically identified. --[[User:Epipelagic|Epipelagic]] ([[User talk:Epipelagic|talk]]) 01:04, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
: Yes, just remove it. The general tag is completely inappropriate, since generally the article is well referenced, and the specific areas that need citations have been specifically identified. --[[User:Epipelagic|Epipelagic]] ([[User talk:Epipelagic|talk]]) 01:04, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

== Rewrite of the Managed intensive rotational grazing section. ==

I did a pretty substantial rewrite of the Managed intensive rotational grazing section. Primarily I did this as an attempt to clarify the differences between grazing and/or forage systems that meet the permaculture standards and those that don't. Any critique or additional clarification in order to help improve this section is welcome.[[User:Redddbaron|Redddbaron]] ([[User talk:Redddbaron|talk]]) 04:32, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

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Talk page archive please

Could someone please archive most of this page? I'm not sure how to do it. Thanks Span (talk) 06:20, 27 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Nirvana2013 (talk) 19:06, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

ethics

the ethics of permaculture, as espoused by mollison and holmgren, are: 1: care of earth 2: care of people 3: share the surplus. why is the third ethic on this site changed to 'setting limits to consumption and production'? it is not as simple or as accurate....in fact it is not of the same spirit at all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gavtheelf (talk • contribs) 10:13, 17 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The ethics of permaculture are as stated and cited in this article and come directly from Permaculture: A Designer's Manual. "Share the surplus" is a new phrase meant to be less provocative. The original concept was a focus on simplicity that would not overconsume nonrenewable resources and that would regenerate and improve the resiliency of renewable resources. "Share the surplus" does not adequately capture this concept. (74.96.85.98 (talk) 04:23, 27 June 2012 (UTC))[reply]

Permaculture was untried at the time of first publication.

When David Holmgren was a student of Bill Mollison's at Hobart University, he did, as part of his course, a literature survey of perennial food-bearing plants. Bill Mollison, known for coining catchy names, abbreviated the existing idea of "permanent agriculture" to Permaculture. At this point nothing new had been created except a word. At the time of publishing Permaculture One, it seems that neither Mollison nor Holmgren had actually planted a permaculture garden. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.106.137.82 (talk) 07:16, 2 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have a citation for this? If so, it can (and probably should) be added to the article as it is notable point. Nirvana2013 (talk) 08:04, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I think that presumes that the coiners of this term "invented" permaculture. They did not. They simply looked at the notion of "permanent agriculture" and distilled the principles found among long-lived sustainable cultures around the world (and there are a few) into a set of principles. Permaculture has been around for as long as people have been using agriculture in a way that is sustainable. There are few examples, and many more examples of unsustainable agricultural practices. I think whether Mollison or Holmgren had planted a garden is a moot point and does not bear on this subject. Since the permaculture principles have been espoused, there are dozens, if not hundreds, of examples where these systems have worked. Additionally, permaculture is a set of design principles, it is not simply a gardening manual. ~ * ~ Blue Electric Storm ~ * ~ (talk) 23:10, 19 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Selecting plants

Nowhere is the selecting of plants with sequential fruiting times mentioned, nor is seasonal eating mentioned, see Community-supported agriculture 91.182.169.80 (talk) 09:07, 2 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ploughing image

It's not encouraging to see an image of ploughing at the start of the page on permaculture. I'd like to suggest that the Agriculture template should be removed. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 15:54, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]


Oppose. The Agriculture template is simply being used as a universal signal of agriculture. --PhxJennifer 20:44, 21 February 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by PhxJennifer (talk • contribs)

Possible Merge?

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
The result was not merge, slightly out of process as I've already commented but the consensus against seems clear -- Salix (talk): 23:59, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sustainable Agriculture --130.88.52.7 (talk) 15:13, 1 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose There is much which is sustainable agriculture which is not permaculture and vice versa.--Salix (talk): 17:31, 1 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I concur. Byelf2007 (talk) 1 November 2012
Oppose As above. Legion23 (talk) 18:28, 1 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose As above. --PhxJennifer 20:39, 21 February 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by PhxJennifer (talk • contribs)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Possible to remove flag calling for additional citations and references?

Can we remove the following from the page:

There are 26 references and 46 notes listed as of March 19,2013. I find that is it well-referenced and well-researched. I'd like to know what other editors have to say about this. ~ * ~ Blue Electric Storm ~ * ~ (talk) 23:20, 19 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, just remove it. The general tag is completely inappropriate, since generally the article is well referenced, and the specific areas that need citations have been specifically identified. --Epipelagic (talk) 01:04, 20 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Rewrite of the Managed intensive rotational grazing section.

I did a pretty substantial rewrite of the Managed intensive rotational grazing section. Primarily I did this as an attempt to clarify the differences between grazing and/or forage systems that meet the permaculture standards and those that don't. Any critique or additional clarification in order to help improve this section is welcome.Redddbaron (talk) 04:32, 7 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]