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:* I feel there is a need to be very careful "inventing" one's own metrics, lest the list be opened up to claims of [[WP:OR|original research]]. |
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David Guetta Sexy Bitch
Sexy Bitch by David Guetta, another song with more than 5 million sales:
usa 3.354.000 http://music.yahoo.com/blogs/chart-watch/week-ending-sept-16-2012-songs-mindless-fun-022236621.html
canada 40.000 http://www.musiccanada.com/GPSearchResult.aspx?st=sexy%20bitch&ica=False&sa=&sl=&smt=0&sat=-1&ssb=Artist
australia 350.000 http://www.aria.com.au/pages/httpwww.aria.com.aupageshttpwww.aria.com.auSINGLEaccreds2011.htm
france 400.000 http://www.snepmusique.com/fr/pag-259165-CERTIFICATIONS.html?year=&type=10
germany 300.000 http://www.musikindustrie.de/no_cache/gold_platin_datenbank/#topSearch
uk 610.000 http://www.mtv.co.uk/music/charts/official-uk-countdowns/akon-official-top-20
austria 30.000 http://www.ifpi.at/?section=goldplatin (search for "sexy bitch")
Total sales are 5.084.000 and I still have to look for Spain, Switzerland, Italy and other european countries sales. However I am not completely sure about Mtv source; I think it is reliable, but I would like to know your opinion.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Argo90 (talk • contribs) 15:20, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
David Guetta Sexy Bitch
Other certifications for Sexy Bitch: Uk 659.791 http://www.musicweek.com/news/read/the-wanted-back-on-top-of-uk-singles-chart/046239 Finland 6.735 http://www.ifpi.fi/tilastot/artistit/david+guetta Italy 30.000 http://www.fimi.it/temp/cert_Nielsen_week34.pdf Spain 40.000 http://www.promusicae.es/files/listasanuales/canciones/Top%2050%20Canciones%20Anual%20%28PUBLICAR%29%202010.pdf Switzerland 120.000 http://swisscharts.com/awards.asp?year=2011
For UK sales I found data in music week, which is better than Mtv.
Total sales: 659.791 (uk) + 6.735 (finland)+ 30.000 (italy) + 40.000 (spain) + 120.000 (switzerland) + 3.354.000 (usa) + 40.000 (canada) + 350.000 (australia)+ 400.000 (france)+ 300.000(germany) + 30.000 (austria)= 5.330.525
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Argo90 (talk • contribs) 13:49, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
Korean Sales on Gaon Chart, Telephone and Bad Romance
I tried at random to find Korean singles sales and I managed to find something in the official Gaon Chart website, even if I am not very sure about it.
Hereunder what I have done:
Enter Gaon Chart website and click on “CHART” (on the top, next to “Gaon”).
At this point you can see in the middle the title “<2012& 10& &&>” (the &s are Korean words, I think they are simply the year, the month and the day or maybe the week). Above the title there is a large rectangle in light gray and white divided into eight parts: the first part is selected, but you have to choose the third one. The third allows you to see real singles sales, while the first one shows you singles points, something similar to Billboard method to decide singles ranking.
Now go under “2012& 10& &&” on the left (above the numbered list) and you find three “squared buttons”: choose the one on the right (the third button, the first should be selected when you enter the page). In this way you choose foreign artists’ singles sales; the second button is for Korean singles and the first is for all the singles together.
Then, at the same height on the right side, there are three round and little buttons: choose the third one (the first and the second round buttons are for weekly and monthly sales, I think, but you can see only 2011 and 2012 sales in this case).
On the right, next to the round buttons, there are two rectangular spaces: in the first one you can choose the year, in the second one you choose the way you want to see singles sales (for the whole year, monthly, weekly).
It could be quite interesting because many worldwide best selling singles have a lot of sales in Korea. For example Rolling in the Deep sold 1.462.934 in 2012 (up to now), which could be added to global sales. Moves like Jagger sold 2.149 million copies in 2011 and 1.545 million in 2012, therefore 12 million copies if we sum up all the certifications/sources we have. Also Poker Face, I’m Yours, Party Rock Anthem and many other songs sales could be updated.
If you think these numbers are not annual sales or that something is wrong (absolutely possible, I don’t know anything about Korean language…) you can simply not consider them. I hope it is clear, it is very hard to describe.
Telephone: there are no sources about sales in 2010, but Nielsen Soundscan published the list of the 20 best selling singles of 2010 and Your Love Is My Drug by Ke$ha is the 20th with 2.664.000 copies. http://music.yahoo.com/blogs/chart-watch/chart-watch-extra-we-have-a-winner.html;_ylt=AlLN3vJPHIpCAI08UkolN6oPwiUv;_ylu=X3oDMTFmbTBra2pmBG1pdANNdXNpYyBCbG9nIEluZGV4BHBvcwMxMDAEc2VjA01lZGlhQmxvZ0luZGV4;_ylg=X3oDMTFpMm9iMzh1BGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDBHBzdGNhdANibG9nBHB0A3NlY3Rpb25z;_ylv=3
Obviously Telephone sold fewer copies, but we can use this number and make the difference with sales of June 2012. We loose the difference between Your Love Is My Drug sales and real Telephone sales, but this is the only “certification” we have; furthermore I think not many copies are lost because real sales should not have been far from 2.5 million. We can also add 160.306 copies sold in Korea in 2010 (see in Gaon Chart).
Global sales: 7.400.000 + (3.200.000 – 2.663.000) + 160.306 = 8.097.306
Bad Romance: sales until the 4th of March 2011: 4.649.000.
http://music.yahoo.com/blogs/chart-watch/chart-watch-extra-eminem-bumps-off-gaga.html
Sales until June 2012: 5.200.000.
http://www.billboard.com/#/news/ask-billboard-was-lady-gaga-s-born-this-1007298762.story
We loose sales from November 2010 to the end of February 2011 (probably 300.000 copies), but it is the first source I found after IFPI annual report.
Global sales: 9.700.000 + (5.200.000 – 4.649.000) = 10.251.000
I don’t know if IFPI music report considers sales from the beginning of November (and then for 12 months) or from the end of November. In the second case, you can add also USA sales until November, 29 (2009), which consist in 807.000 copies. http://music.yahoo.com/blogs/chart-watch/week-ending-nov-29-2009-women-take-charge.html;_ylt=ArIst3SSNMfUwHijfO8TX0IPwiUv;_ylu=X3oDMTFlYmhlM2cyBG1pdANNdXNpYyBCbG9nIEluZGV4BHBvcwM3NgRzZWMDTWVkaWFCbG9nSW5kZXg-;_ylg=X3oDMTFpMm9iMzh1BGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDBHBzdGNhdANibG9nBHB0A3NlY3Rpb25z;_ylv=3 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Argo90 (talk • contribs) 13:57, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
Edit request on 3 November 2012
last friday nighis on of the best selling singles accumulating 5 million copies worldwide. so katy perry has seven entries already 180.193.113.11 (talk) 09:29, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
- Please provide sources from which we can extract the 5 million copies worlwide number. — ΛΧΣ21™ 09:33, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
i think the whole article is "vandalized". for one, there are no clarifications of what a single is and what are eligible for inclusion. second, certifications are not reliable sources since some of them are given based on shipments rather than sales (think of the riaa). third, mastertones should not be included since the wikipedia article for truetones say it is different from a single, it is released first before the real single, and it often outsells them. fourth, the ifpi maybe reliable, but according to its annual reports, the top ten singles they list usually combines various formats of the song which may include physical (other countries still release them), downloads and truetones. and lastly, i wonder why some internationally popular tracks are not included in the list considering they are the ones that sell the most. the other songs on the list would have total available sales record even less than a half of their reported claimed sales. this is one reason why i think the whole article is majorly "vandalized". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.202.135.161 (talk) 09:09, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
- No list is perfect. What we are trying to do here is compensate for the fact that the IFPI only releases its list ONCE a year and that they only include the top 10 singles, meaning that if the tenth-best-selling song of the year sold 7.5 million copies, all the songs that sold between 5.01 and 7.49 million copies are left out.
- Regrading certifications, when it comes to digital certifications, the awards are always given after a given track or ringtone has sold the minimum amount. There is no such thing as a "shipment" when it comes to digital singles.
- Besides, even if shipments did exaggerate sales, that could be considered a good way of compensating for the sales from countries we don't have (many) certifications from, like Japan, Argentina, Poland, all of Africa, Colombia, Indonesia, China and India.
- Regarding the "internationally popular tracks", I am well aware that there are singles/tracks that sell 3-5 million copies in South Korea or Japan alone, yet I haven't been able to include them due to lack of reliable (or understandable) sources.
- Finally, I agree that we need to specify what a single is.--Mαuri’96 “...over the Borderline” 21:34, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
Edit request on 11 November 2012
Bryan Adams's "(Everything I Do) I Do It for You" and ABBA's Fernando should be placed on the 10 million selling list. here the sources.
http://music.yahoo.com/blogs/yradish/singles-that-have-sold-over-10-million-copies.html
Thanks.
39.208.6.201 (talk) 02:09, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
- Not done: I'd really like to know where that Yahoo! list comes from or what it's based on. We already took one of that blogger's lists as gospel and I don't want to blindly accept what that same blog says for a second time.
- I've contacted "yradish" to see if he can enlighten us on why, for instance, he didn't list "Yes Sir, I Can Boogie" or why he claims "Fernando" sold over 10 million copies despite the prevailing opinion on UKMIX that no ABBA single sold that much.--Mαuri’96 “...over the Borderline” 04:50, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
- I'll now add the songs in this new Yahoo! list to the Wikipedia list. It's unfair to be using the first list but not the new one.--Mαuri’96 “...over the Borderline” 17:14, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
very good, finally you understand mauri. thanks Politsi (talk) 05:27, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
Edit request on 17 November 2012
I think Words (F. R. David song) should be place on this list with 8 million claim figures, we could this source (--link removed per WP:ELNO--) as reference cause it is look reliable enough. thanks
Politsi (talk) 07:41, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
Sorry this took so long to answer - the link you gave didn't work yesterday - just gave a database error. Now that it does work, the problem I have is that it seems to be a link leading to fileshare download sites for the song, and we can't include those here. (I removed the link from your post for that reason). There's also no indication of how they arrive at that number. I searched quickly myself and I couldn't find anything else to support that 8 million number. Is there another source you are aware of? Begoon talk 10:36, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
Not yet, i'm searching day by day but could not find from any reliable source such a newspaper or something else. Politsi (talk) 05:39, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
Edit request on 19 November 2012
Britney Spears's 1999 blockbuster seller ...Baby One More Time has claim to have sold 9m according to BBC.
Is it possible to place that singles into 10 million list. since Digital Spy (http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/showbiz/news/a377189/ten-things-about-britney-spears.html) claim that single sold 10m. thanks
Politsi (talk) 05:36, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
Done - This and this indicate that the source is fine where news stories like this are concerned, so I've updated the article for you. Begoon talk 05:59, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
Edit request (2) on 19 November 2012
ABBA's Fernando still placed with 6m claim, that song has been placed in the 10m list. Please remove the old claim figures. thanks Politsi (talk) 05:36, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
Done - with this edit - Thank you. Begoon talk 06:04, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
canadian singles
hey i found an article on the list of best selling singles in canada. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_singles_in_Canada. hope it helps. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.202.135.161 (talk) 06:59, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
Gotye - Somebody That I Used To Know
Has now sold 13 million copies. http://www.billboard.com/#/news/gotye-kimbra-win-big-at-aria-awards-1008033592.story Gotye's huge hit "Somebody That I Used To Know" has now sold more than 13 million units worldwide and notched up more than 350 million hits on YouTube. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arilegolego (talk • contribs) 22:14, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
rules and regulations
although i appreciate the fact that we try to improve this article as much as we try to do, i think there should be rules and regulations with this article. for one we should define what a single is. also, we should also define when a single is physical and when is it digital. we should also decide whether mastertones are to be included (although according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truetone mastertones are not singles and they often outsold them). also let's decide whether south korean retail sales should be used or not since the said source (gaon charts) is a bit unreliable.
i would like to clarify with mastertones. i think we should not include them as it just gives confusion to readers, for one, even if ifpi includes them in their annual tally, i think they would only include countries where a mastertone is considered as a single, which means countries such as the us, canada, spain and japan treat them differentlyfrom a single. in fact, in the us, even if low would reach 9x platinum, the riaa still considers i gotta feeling as the best certified digital single there, meaning mastertones are only classified as singles when certified (there are no mastertone albums). for more of it you should raher visit the riaa site.
as with singles that do not have a single source mentioning their global sales, the ifpi (http://www.ifpi.org/content/library/international-award-levels.pdf) mentions countries where they get sales figures for their annual tally. in the list single sales from south korea and russia are not included, so we should not include them; otherwise the list gets a bit complicated.
some points to consider: for physical singles:
- anak sold 30 million
- achy breaky heart sold 20 million
- seasons of the sun sold 11.5 million
- the ballad of bonnie and clyde sold 7.5 million
- music (madonna) sold 7 million
- lady marmalade sold 5.2 million
- yeah (usher) sold 5 million
- because we removed mastertones, several tracks would have sales go down, including: thriller at 5.5 million and billie jean at 5 million.(beat it would drop out of the list).
- songs with multiparty sources should be corrected: eye of the tiger is at 8 million; ill be missing you is at 7.1 million; youre the one that i want is at 6.5 million
- other tracks with 'special sources': crazy in love is at 6 million
- boulevard of broken dreams is a digital single, while toxic is a physical single
for digital singles:
- many songs should just instead be returned to their sales figures reported by ifpi: poker face, bad romance, party rock anthem, love the way you lie, moves like jagger, rolling in the deep, im yours, low, hey soul sister, love story and single ladies (irreplaceable will drop out)
- many songs with multiparty sources: we are young has sold 8.1 million; firework and someone like you, 7.8 million; hot n cold, 7 million; fuck you, 6.8 million; dont stop believin, 6.7 million; lose yourself, 6.2 million; need you now, 5.9 million; right round and fireflies, 5.7 million; empire state of mind, 5.6 million; party in the usa, 5.4 million; teenage dream, 5.2 million; sexy bitch, 5.1 million; and set fire to the rain and pumped up kicks, 5 million (only girl sold 4.8 million only, so drop it out).
- special sources: my humps and la tortura at 5 million
- i gotta feeling is at 15 million
- somebody... (gotye) is at 13 million
- because of you is at 7 million
- waka waka is at 5 million
- loca (shakira) is at 5 million
also footnotes should only be used for eye of the tiger, bohemian rhapsody, thriller, billie jean and dont stop believin. the list should also be arranged from highest to lowest sales, and 1 decimal place only.
ill wait for any reply.
- One quick, and possibly unhelpful comment from an "outsider" who happens to have this page on his watchlist:
- Yes, standardisation and consistency in list criteria is essential - otherwise such a list becomes a nonsense.
- I feel there is a need to be very careful "inventing" one's own metrics, lest the list be opened up to claims of original research.
- In general, we should follow established reliable sources.
- But, ahhh..., the sources don't agree, either on how to measure, or on figures...
- See, I said it might not be a helpful answer - I don't have the answer, just things to consider...
- Begoon talk 10:32, 9 December 2012 (UTC)