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I think ''Words'' (F. R. David song) should be place on this list with 8 million claim figures, we could this source ( |
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[[User:Politsi|Politsi]] ([[User talk:Politsi|talk]]) 07:41, 17 November 2012 (UTC) |
[[User:Politsi|Politsi]] ([[User talk:Politsi|talk]]) 07:41, 17 November 2012 (UTC) |
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Sorry this took so long to answer - the link you gave didn't work yesterday - just gave a database error. Now that it does work, the problem I have is that it seems to be a link leading to fileshare download sites for the song, and we can't include those here. (I removed the link from your post for that reason). There's also no indication of how they arrive at that number. I searched myself and I can't find anything else to support that 8 million number. Is there another source you are aware of? <span style="font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold;color:#000;">[[User:Begoon|<span style="color:#0645AD;">Begoon</span>]] [[User talk:Begoon|<span style="color:gray;"><sup>talk</sup></span>]]</span> 10:36, 18 November 2012 (UTC) |
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Me Against the Music
Does it seem odd that the single "Me Against the Music" is listed twice, once with Madonna's name, and once with Britney Spears? And they are both associated with different numbers...
WHITNEY's HOUSTON I WILL ALWAYS LOVE YOU is the best selling single by a female artist
I Will Always Love You is the best selling single by a female artist,not Celine Dion's My Heart Will Go On ! You put 15 million for My Heart Will Go On and 12 million for I will Always Love You ! Is this a mistake ?
David Guetta Sexy Bitch
Sexy Bitch by David Guetta, another song with more than 5 million sales:
usa 3.354.000 http://music.yahoo.com/blogs/chart-watch/week-ending-sept-16-2012-songs-mindless-fun-022236621.html
canada 40.000 http://www.musiccanada.com/GPSearchResult.aspx?st=sexy%20bitch&ica=False&sa=&sl=&smt=0&sat=-1&ssb=Artist
australia 350.000 http://www.aria.com.au/pages/httpwww.aria.com.aupageshttpwww.aria.com.auSINGLEaccreds2011.htm
france 400.000 http://www.snepmusique.com/fr/pag-259165-CERTIFICATIONS.html?year=&type=10
germany 300.000 http://www.musikindustrie.de/no_cache/gold_platin_datenbank/#topSearch
uk 610.000 http://www.mtv.co.uk/music/charts/official-uk-countdowns/akon-official-top-20
austria 30.000 http://www.ifpi.at/?section=goldplatin (search for "sexy bitch")
Total sales are 5.084.000 and I still have to look for Spain, Switzerland, Italy and other european countries sales. However I am not completely sure about Mtv source; I think it is reliable, but I would like to know your opinion.
David Guetta Sexy Bitch
Other certifications for Sexy Bitch: Uk 659.791 http://www.musicweek.com/news/read/the-wanted-back-on-top-of-uk-singles-chart/046239 Finland 6.735 http://www.ifpi.fi/tilastot/artistit/david+guetta Italy 30.000 http://www.fimi.it/temp/cert_Nielsen_week34.pdf Spain 40.000 http://www.promusicae.es/files/listasanuales/canciones/Top%2050%20Canciones%20Anual%20%28PUBLICAR%29%202010.pdf Switzerland 120.000 http://swisscharts.com/awards.asp?year=2011
For UK sales I found data in music week, which is better than Mtv.
Total sales: 659.791 (uk) + 6.735 (finland)+ 30.000 (italy) + 40.000 (spain) + 120.000 (switzerland) + 3.354.000 (usa) + 40.000 (canada) + 350.000 (australia)+ 400.000 (france)+ 300.000(germany) + 30.000 (austria)= 5.330.525
Edit request on 29 September 2012
- The last update of Tik Tok sales is exagerated and sources do not prove it:
- IFPI 2011 music report (published in january 2011) reports 12.8 worldwide sales ([1])
- Nielsen Soundscan annual sales (published in january 2011): 5.483.000
- Most recent Nielsen Soundscan sales: 6.332.000 ([2])
- Thus total sales can be 12.800.000 + (6.322.000 - 5.483.000) = 13.639.000 maybe 14 million (not certified), but not 16 million!!!
- Also Poker Face and Just Dance sales should be modified because the MTV's article used does not report all 2009 sales. You can find them here ([3]) and total sales are:
- Poker Face: 9.800.000 + (6.700.000 - 4.551.000) = 11.949.000
- Just Dance: 7.700.000 + (6.600.000 - 4.943.000) = 9.357.000 (Pker Face same sources)
- Jason Mraz I'm Yours: 8.100.000 + (6.104.000 + 500.000 - 4.787.000) = 9.917.000
If you don't accept this way of updating sales, you must keep 8.1 millions for I'm Yours because single countries certifications do not even reach 8 million and the same with Tik Tok, keeping back IFPI sales (12.8 million). About Poker Face you should consider again 10.75 million certified sales.
- About Just Dance, I give you certified sales for a total amount of 8.73 million:
- USA 6.600.000 [10]
- Australia 3x platinum 210.000 [11]
- Belgium gold 10.000 [12]
- Canada 6platinum 480.000 [13]
- Denmark 2platinum 60.000 [14]
- Germany gold 150.000 [15]
- Japan gold (singles) + gold (mastertone) 200.000 [16]
- New Zealand platinum 15.000 [17]
- Norway 2 platinum 20.000 [18]
- Spain platinum 40.000 [19]
- Sweden platinum 20.000 [20]
- Switzerland 2 platinum 40.000 [21]
- UK 909.000 [22]
- I found also certified sales for Sexy Bitch by David Guetta:
- Total sales: 5.330.525
Argo90 (talk) 16:15, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
- I'd like to make a quick clarification to your correction of "Just Dance" and "Poker Face". The link from October 2009 was used because the IFPI 2010 report says sales to November 2009. If complete American sales from 2009 were subtracted, we would lose sales in December 2009 and possibly November 2009 and the first week of 2010.
- Please be patient as "we" (more like I) have a backlog of requests.--Mαuri’96 “...over the Borderline” 21:59, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
I am really sorry. I don't know exactly why, but I thought that it wasn't you who made the last updates so I repeated sources and references; anyway, you are right about Poker Face and Just Dance. I wrote especially for Tik Tok, but it would have been better to avoid all the rest. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Argo90 (talk • contribs) 12:30, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
- Marking as Not done at least for now as I'm not entirely sure what exactly the requested changes are. -— Isarra ༆ 22:02, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
Apologize, California Gurls, Girlfriend, On the Floor, Born this Way, Need You Now and Super Bass
New updates:
1) Apologize by OneRepublic: Worldwide sales (from December 2007 to November 2008) in IFPI 2009 report: 6.200.000 (http://www.ifpi.org/content/library/DMR2009.pdf) USA sales in Nielsen Soundscan music report (until 12/28/2008): 4.009.000 (http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20081231005304/en/2008-U.S.-Music-Purchases-Exceed-1.5-Billion) USA sales, last update I could find: 5.456.000 (http://music.yahoo.com/blogs/chart-watch/week-ending-sept-23-2012-songs-song-sweeping-015634675.html) Total sales: 6.200.000 + (5.456.000 – 4.009.000) = 7.647.000
2) California Gurls by Katy Perry: Worldwide sales (to November 2010) in IFPI 2011 report: 6.700.000 (http://www.ifpi.org/content/section_resources/dmr2011.html) USA sales in Nielsen Soundscan music report (until 12/28/2010): 4.398.000 (http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20110106006565/en/Nielsen-Company-Billboard%E2%80%99s-2010-Music-Industry-Report) USA sales, last update I could find: 5.358.000 (http://music.yahoo.com/blogs/chart-watch/week-ending-aug-19-2012-songs-swift-set-203143800.html) Total sales: 6.700.000 + (5.358.000 – 4.398.000) = 7.660.000 (very similar to sales that can be obtained by summing all countries certifications)
3) Girlfriend by Avril Lavigne: Worldwide sales (from December 2006 to November 2007) in IFPI 2008 report: 7.300.000 (http://www.ifpi.org/content/library/DMR2008.pdf) USA sales in Nielsen Soundscan music report (december 2007): 2.415.000 (http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20080103006104/en/CORRECTING-REPLACING-2007-U.S.-Music-Purchases-Exceed) USA sales, last update I could find: 3.509.000 (http://music.yahoo.com/blogs/chart-watch/week-ending-july-1-2012-songs-jepsen-does-035518750.html) Total sales: 7.300.000 + (3.509.000 – 2.415.000) = 8.394.000
4) On the Floor by Jennifer Lopez: Worldwide sales (from December 2010 to November 2011) in IFPI 2012 report: 8.400.000 (IFPI 2012 music report) USA sales (first source I could find after IFPI report): 3.308.000 (http://music.yahoo.com/blogs/chart-watch/chart-watch-extra-top-25-hits-200054457.html) USA sales, last update I could find: 3.588.000 (http://music.yahoo.com/blogs/chart-watch/chart-watch-extra-idol-vs-idol-201209548.html) Total sales: 8.400.000 + (3.588.000 – 3.308.000) = 8.680.000
5) Born This Way by Lady GaGa: Worldwide sales (from December 2010 to November 2011) in IFPI 2012 report: 8.200.000 (IFPI 2012 music report) USA sales (first source I could find after IFPI report): 3.476.000 (http://music.yahoo.com/blogs/chart-watch/chart-watch-extra-top-25-hits-200054457.html) USA sales, last update I could find: 3.700.000 (http://www.billboard.com/#/news/ask-billboard-was-lady-gaga-s-born-this-1007298762.story) Total sales: 8.200.000 + (3.700.000 – 3.476.000) = 8.424.000
6) Need You Now by Lady Antebellum: USA sales: 5.861.000 (http://music.yahoo.com/blogs/chart-watch/chart-watch-extra-country-top-100-194947814.html) For Australia and New Zealand sales I considered the “old” sources: http://www.aria.com.au/pages/httpwww.aria.com.aupagesSINGLEaccreds2012.htm http://rianz.org.nz/rianz/oldchart.asp?chartNum=1736&chartKind=S Total Sales: 6.016.000
7) Super Bass by Nicki Minaj:
USA sales: 4.273.000
(http://music.yahoo.com/blogs/chart-watch/week-ending-june-24-2012-songs-elton-peas-214235458.html)
Australia sales: 420.000
(http://www.aria.com.au/pages/httpwww.aria.com.aupagesSINGLEaccreds2012.htm)
UK sales . 400.000
(http://www.bpi.co.uk/certifiedawards/search.aspx)
New Zealand sales: 15.000
(http://rianz.org.nz/rianz/oldchart.asp?chartNum=1797&chartKind)
Total sales: 5.108.000 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Argo90 (talk • contribs) 20:56, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
Korean Sales on Gaon Chart, Telephone and Bad Romance
I tried at random to find Korean singles sales and I managed to find something in the official Gaon Chart website, even if I am not very sure about it.
Hereunder what I have done:
Enter Gaon Chart website and click on “CHART” (on the top, next to “Gaon”).
At this point you can see in the middle the title “<2012& 10& &&>” (the &s are Korean words, I think they are simply the year, the month and the day or maybe the week). Above the title there is a large rectangle in light gray and white divided into eight parts: the first part is selected, but you have to choose the third one. The third allows you to see real singles sales, while the first one shows you singles points, something similar to Billboard method to decide singles ranking.
Now go under “2012& 10& &&” on the left (above the numbered list) and you find three “squared buttons”: choose the one on the right (the third button, the first should be selected when you enter the page). In this way you choose foreign artists’ singles sales; the second button is for Korean singles and the first is for all the singles together.
Then, at the same height on the right side, there are three round and little buttons: choose the third one (the first and the second round buttons are for weekly and monthly sales, I think, but you can see only 2011 and 2012 sales in this case).
On the right, next to the round buttons, there are two rectangular spaces: in the first one you can choose the year, in the second one you choose the way you want to see singles sales (for the whole year, monthly, weekly).
It could be quite interesting because many worldwide best selling singles have a lot of sales in Korea. For example Rolling in the Deep sold 1.462.934 in 2012 (up to now), which could be added to global sales. Moves like Jagger sold 2.149 million copies in 2011 and 1.545 million in 2012, therefore 12 million copies if we sum up all the certifications/sources we have. Also Poker Face, I’m Yours, Party Rock Anthem and many other songs sales could be updated.
If you think these numbers are not annual sales or that something is wrong (absolutely possible, I don’t know anything about Korean language…) you can simply not consider them. I hope it is clear, it is very hard to describe.
Telephone: there are no sources about sales in 2010, but Nielsen Soundscan published the list of the 20 best selling singles of 2010 and Your Love Is My Drug by Ke$ha is the 20th with 2.664.000 copies. http://music.yahoo.com/blogs/chart-watch/chart-watch-extra-we-have-a-winner.html;_ylt=AlLN3vJPHIpCAI08UkolN6oPwiUv;_ylu=X3oDMTFmbTBra2pmBG1pdANNdXNpYyBCbG9nIEluZGV4BHBvcwMxMDAEc2VjA01lZGlhQmxvZ0luZGV4;_ylg=X3oDMTFpMm9iMzh1BGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDBHBzdGNhdANibG9nBHB0A3NlY3Rpb25z;_ylv=3
Obviously Telephone sold fewer copies, but we can use this number and make the difference with sales of June 2012. We loose the difference between Your Love Is My Drug sales and real Telephone sales, but this is the only “certification” we have; furthermore I think not many copies are lost because real sales should not have been far from 2.5 million. We can also add 160.306 copies sold in Korea in 2010 (see in Gaon Chart).
Global sales: 7.400.000 + (3.200.000 – 2.663.000) + 160.306 = 8.097.306
Bad Romance: sales until the 4th of March 2011: 4.649.000.
http://music.yahoo.com/blogs/chart-watch/chart-watch-extra-eminem-bumps-off-gaga.html
Sales until June 2012: 5.200.000.
http://www.billboard.com/#/news/ask-billboard-was-lady-gaga-s-born-this-1007298762.story
We loose sales from November 2010 to the end of February 2011 (probably 300.000 copies), but it is the first source I found after IFPI annual report.
Global sales: 9.700.000 + (5.200.000 – 4.649.000) = 10.251.000
I don’t know if IFPI music report considers sales from the beginning of November (and then for 12 months) or from the end of November. In the second case, you can add also USA sales until November, 29 (2009), which consist in 807.000 copies. http://music.yahoo.com/blogs/chart-watch/week-ending-nov-29-2009-women-take-charge.html;_ylt=ArIst3SSNMfUwHijfO8TX0IPwiUv;_ylu=X3oDMTFlYmhlM2cyBG1pdANNdXNpYyBCbG9nIEluZGV4BHBvcwM3NgRzZWMDTWVkaWFCbG9nSW5kZXg-;_ylg=X3oDMTFpMm9iMzh1BGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDBHBzdGNhdANibG9nBHB0A3NlY3Rpb25z;_ylv=3 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Argo90 (talk • contribs) 13:57, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
Edit request on 3 November 2012
last friday nighis on of the best selling singles accumulating 5 million copies worldwide. so katy perry has seven entries already 180.193.113.11 (talk) 09:29, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
- Please provide sources from which we can extract the 5 million copies worlwide number. — ΛΧΣ21™ 09:33, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
i think the whole article is "vandalized". for one, there are no clarifications of what a single is and what are eligible for inclusion. second, certifications are not reliable sources since some of them are given based on shipments rather than sales (think of the riaa). third, mastertones should not be included since the wikipedia article for truetones say it is different from a single, it is released first before the real single, and it often outsells them. fourth, the ifpi maybe reliable, but according to its annual reports, the top ten singles they list usually combines various formats of the song which may include physical (other countries still release them), downloads and truetones. and lastly, i wonder why some internationally popular tracks are not included in the list considering they are the ones that sell the most. the other songs on the list would have total available sales record even less than a half of their reported claimed sales. this is one reason why i think the whole article is majorly "vandalized". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.202.135.161 (talk) 09:09, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
- No list is perfect. What we are trying to do here is compensate for the fact that the IFPI only releases its list ONCE a year and that they only include the top 10 singles, meaning that if the tenth-best-selling song of the year sold 7.5 million copies, all the songs that sold between 5.01 and 7.49 million copies are left out.
- Regrading certifications, when it comes to digital certifications, the awards are always given after a given track or ringtone has sold the minimum amount. There is no such thing as a "shipment" when it comes to digital singles.
- Besides, even if shipments did exaggerate sales, that could be considered a good way of compensating for the sales from countries we don't have (many) certifications from, like Japan, Argentina, Poland, all of Africa, Colombia, Indonesia, China and India.
- Regarding the "internationally popular tracks", I am well aware that there are singles/tracks that sell 3-5 million copies in South Korea or Japan alone, yet I haven't been able to include them due to lack of reliable (or understandable) sources.
- Finally, I agree that we need to specify what a single is.--Mαuri’96 “...over the Borderline” 21:34, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
Edit request on 11 November 2012
Bryan Adams's "(Everything I Do) I Do It for You" and ABBA's Fernando should be placed on the 10 million selling list. here the sources.
http://music.yahoo.com/blogs/yradish/singles-that-have-sold-over-10-million-copies.html
Thanks.
39.208.6.201 (talk) 02:09, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
- Not done: I'd really like to know where that Yahoo! list comes from or what it's based on. We already took one of that blogger's lists as gospel and I don't want to blindly accept what that same blog says for a second time.
- I've contacted "yradish" to see if he can enlighten us on why, for instance, he didn't list "Yes Sir, I Can Boogie" or why he claims "Fernando" sold over 10 million copies despite the prevailing opinion on UKMIX that no ABBA single sold that much.--Mαuri’96 “...over the Borderline” 04:50, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
- I'll now add the songs in this new Yahoo! list to the Wikipedia list. It's unfair to be using the first list but not the new one.--Mαuri’96 “...over the Borderline” 17:14, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
very good, finally you understand mauri. thanks Politsi (talk) 05:27, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
Edit request on 17 November 2012
I think Words (F. R. David song) should be place on this list with 8 million claim figures, we could this source (--link removed per WP:ELNO--) as reference cause it is look reliable enough. thanks
Politsi (talk) 07:41, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
Sorry this took so long to answer - the link you gave didn't work yesterday - just gave a database error. Now that it does work, the problem I have is that it seems to be a link leading to fileshare download sites for the song, and we can't include those here. (I removed the link from your post for that reason). There's also no indication of how they arrive at that number. I searched myself and I can't find anything else to support that 8 million number. Is there another source you are aware of? Begoon talk 10:36, 18 November 2012 (UTC)