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An editor has declined my piping Culverin#Field_culverins to the word "cannons" for one of the lighter weapons. Today, anything clunky, big, iron-like, is called by the generic word "cannon." People of the time were more sophisticated, differentiating between the weapons. My original intent was to link the word to "18-pound cannon" if there were such an article, figuring that it might have different characteristics. I discovered there was no article by weight, per se, but rather articles about various smaller weapons that were not specifically called "cannon." An editor has twice removed these links for some reason. Student7 (talk) 13:13, 21 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Actually two editors have reverted this, one of whom is myself. If you want to have a more specific word than "cannon" then you need to provide a reliable source for the new word and reach consensus for the change here on the talk page. —Diiscool (talk) 17:12, 21 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Well, there's the article itself, of course, Culverin#Field_culverins. Then there's Ships Arms, shows them aboard ship (don't know how accurate Wapedia is).

Look, I don't name these things. If you have a "Mark 7 cannon" or whatever to link them to, be my guest! I was trying to link them to 18-pounder. There is no such article because they weren't cannon at that size. I didn't make up the name! I think "culverin" is a stupid name! My suggestion is to delete the article on culverins. They probably just made up the article anyway!

Anyway, I didn't change the word. I piped the correct explanation under culverin to the word "cannon" just in case someone was interested in the details. Be it far from me to try to change modern expectations! Student7 (talk) 21:57, 24 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This still an issue about what sources call them. We cannot link to "Culverin" when the sources used in this article do not use that terminology. The sources used here are largely available online but this one in particular is from the US Navy itself and there is no mention of the word "Culverin". Therefore linking to culverin to explain "cannon" is not warranted. Brad (talk) 18:54, 25 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Brain Lavery, in The Arming and Fitting of English Ships of War, 1600 - 1815 (Naval Institute Press, 1987), writes that "Until the early years of the eighteenth century, English guns were identified by their traditional names, rather than their weights or calibers." (page 97) On page 100 he identifies the culverin as being an 18-lber, but based on his earlier remark I interpret this as meaning that by the late 18th century, terms such as "culverin" were obsolete. Admittedly, Lavery is writing on the Royal Navy, rather than the U.S. one, but I would be surprised to learn that the U.S. Navy deviated from the Royal Navy here, especially as by the time the U.S. Navy came into existance, culverin was deprecated. I think that linking to culverin would be anachronistic at best. --Badger151 (talk) 05:52, 10 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The burial site of the builder, E. Hartt, is just across the Harbor in the Copp's Hill burial ground. I include it in tours of the area, and might be able to get a photo, if that's of interest. (dellaroux, not currently logged in...)198.176.188.201 (talk) 15:15, 23 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I think you should definitely add the photo to Hartt's category on Commons and then to his WP page: Edmund Hartt. It would be out of place in the USS Constitution article. —Diiscool (talk) 15:41, 23 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It appears that when the ship infobox was created for this ship, the ship flag parameter was filled with a non-descript "USN flag" without a year. This produces a ships ensign with 50 stars for the infobox. The Constitution has never flown a flag with so many stars, and the official USN website for the ship indicates an ensign with only 15 stars on it. I am going to change this parameter to one that will produce an ensign with 15 stars... though if anyone can give a reason why it should be otherwise, I should very much like to know. Thanks! KDS4444^Talk 03:06, 28 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

{{USN flag}} without a parameter denotes a ship in current service. Other than photos on the official website there is no reliable source that says Constitution flies the 15 star flag on a daily basis. You can't source an article by looking at a photo. Brad (talk) 15:47, 28 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

She's flying the 50-star flag here: http://www.navy.mil/view_single.asp?id=117476. As Brad says, we can't base this on photos. She is a currently serving U.S. Navy vessel and the article should have the {{USN flag}} template. I have changed it back. —Diiscool (talk) 18:02, 28 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Re: recent sailing of the ship Brad (talk) 22:19, 29 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Boston Globe
• USS Constitution Sails for First Time since 1997
• USS Constitution Hosts Ship's Stamp Unveiling Ceremony

The last two links above were included in the External links section. The first link leads to a login page for the BG instead of directly to an article, so I felt it to be inappropriate. Please forgive. – Paine (Climax!)  07:40, 16 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The image file below the ibox was repositioned to rm all that whitespace below the toc. Also, George Claghorn's military rank was included in the first section. His name was redlinked because after reading about him at Wheeler's "Individual Summary for COL. GEORGE CLAGHORN", it was concluded that Col. Claghorn is notable enough to have his own article. I will write the article when I have the time, but any editor is welcome to begin the article sooner. – Paine (Climax!)  08:34, 16 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]