I have re-reverted your edit to USB drives regarding fragmentation. I left an explanation of my reasoning of the talk page - please see my comments there before starting an edit war. CrispMuncher (talk) 21:36, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand your aversion to the word 'thereafter' which you seem to consistently change to 'afterwards.' I personally prefer 'thereafter,' especially since that's the way it was originally written in the Dictionary_of_American_Naval_Fighting_Ships. In many the ship descriptions from that book, 'thereafter' is used quite frequently, and correctly. In the United States, the premier dictionary is the Merriam-Webster dictionary, and there, 'thereafter' is defined as: "after that". In my 1947 hardbound Merriam-Webster dictionary which I bought as a student, 'thereafter' is defined as: "after that; subsequently." So please, let the author's words stand as written.Uanir1 (talk) 22:20, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's probably a matter of usage; it sounds very wrong to me, but it's not worth arguing over. Encarta, for example, gives "after that time or from that time on", which is more enduring than simply "after that". Webster gives simply "after that", following your usage. It seems that we lose the distinction between two shades of meaning by making "thereafter" mean simply the same as "afterwards".

I don't see that there's any need to stick to an original text if it's questionable unless it's actually quoted, but again, why argue. A bit like "knit-picking", a spelling I haven't come across before, I suppose. Pol098 (talk) 22:46, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Most of these are great, clarifying meanings, improving style (at least marginally) and correcting typos. This article was a bit "boys own magazine" - and your edits have improved it considerably.

You will notice, however, that I have reverted (twice) your comments about the Vickers gun on the Camel being aircooled. This is basically because this was a feature of the "aviation" version of the weapon, rather than a peculiarity of the Camel as such. ALL Vickers guns (not to mention other machine guns) mounted in aircraft used air cooling, for obvious reasons.

If the Vickers gun had been normally water cooled on other aircraft then this would have been notable - otherwise it isn't, really. --Soundofmusicals (talk) 01:44, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

BTW I have edited the Vickers gun article!! --Soundofmusicals (talk) 01:44, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OK, thanks, makes sense. It had just seemed a bit odd to me to use a water-cooled machinegun in an aircraft, until I checked. Best wishes, Pol098 (talk) 01:52, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Great job with cannon, much appreciated. :) I made a couple of slight changes to the wording, hope you're alright with them. Cheers, and thanks again. · AndonicO ^Engage. 18:02, 4 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your comments. No problems, best wishes Pol098 (talk) 19:12, 4 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for bringing the info on the links to the 2007 Samjhauta Express bombings, I move it both to the "Attribution" section and the appropiate sub-article, as it was entirely relevant. It didn't, however, warrant its own section. Be aware the article is currently under "FAR" "GAR", and that sectioning and WP:SUMMARY have been discussed and a strong consensus reached. Happy editing!--Cerejota (talk) 10:25, 17 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I don't have any particular opinion on where it belongs, it was just untidy so I cleaned it up a bit. Pol098 (talk) 11:57, 17 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Np.--Cerejota (talk) 12:41, 17 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

May I ask why you chose to change the reference style in the Walt Whitman article? The article is at good article status so I'm always worried about compromising quality. It was approved using the prior reference style, which I've used on many of the articles I've worked on. Your edits removed most of the page numbers, sacrificing the verifiability of the article. Is there a reason why you don't want specificity in the footnotes? --Midnightdreary (talk) 02:54, 18 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Looking it over again, I see what you did. It's a very clunky format, in my opinion, and I'm not sure I think it's a good idea. Would you be offended if I restored the prior version? I've used that style on most of the featured and good articles I've written and it seems to be a well worn-in style. --Midnightdreary (talk) 02:56, 18 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'd suggest and request that we leave it for a while and ask for other opinions; we need to leave it at least for a while so others can form an opinion. The advantages of this format:
- compactness, with one entry per work;
- when reading text you can see immediately which references are to different pages of the same work, rather than different works; and after following up a reference you know whose work is referenced;
- in addition to these advantages, no information is lost compared to the previous format.
I'll leave it to you to consider the disadvantages.
"I've used that style... it seems to be a well worn-in style." I've often felt frustrated at having to use the style you mention, with lots of references to the same work, as there was nothing better. The Rp template seemed a great innovation to me. Best wishes, Pol098 (talk) 13:35, 18 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Good call putting this up for discussion. We'll see what happens. --Midnightdreary (talk) 02:10, 19 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not much, apparently! Pol098 (talk) 18:41, 20 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

See next section for somebody else who doesn't like the Rp template referencing system. Pol098 (talk) 23:15, 20 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hey there! Cheers for the edits to the article - I've been meaning to give the prose a tidy up after I expanded the article, but you've saved me a lot of trouble! Skinny87 (talk) 22:26, 20 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

However, I can't say I like the reference system you're using, especially as the article is at GA status; would it be possible for you to change back the references? They're very clunky and not at all clear what they're referring to - the previous system is the one used by the majority of wikipedia articles and is much easier to read. I see you have another editor asking the same thing above - perhaps you could discuss this referencing system somewhere to see what others think of it? But I'd still appreciate if you reverted the article back to the old reference system. Skinny87 (talk) 22:28, 20 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

OK. I've made a comment in the Talk pages in case others have any opinion. I thought that the Rp method was definitely better, but appear, rather to my surprise, to be in a minority. Pol098 (talk) 23:51, 20 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I'd just like to say thanks for reverting back the referencing system so easily; given most of my experience on wikipedia, I was prepared for a lengthy argument. So thanks for that! As to the system, it does seem to have some promise, but I think it needs to be tweaked a bit. I'll have a think and try and come up with some ideas. Skinny87 (talk) 16:27, 21 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Two rather emphatic "no" votes and no other interest seems reasonably decisive. I'd have preferred to leave the new referencing in for a few days to see if others had an opinion, but this gets messy to revert if there are later edits, and leaving Rp referencing in another article for a couple of days drew no responses. If you come up with new ideas, or want to see what people say, the place is Template_talk:Rp. Best wishes, Pol098 (talk) 18:54, 21 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've been inserting references using the Rp template into a few articles, as I find it much better than the usual way off handling numerous references from each of several sources. Rather to my surprise I find my enthusiasm isn't reciprocated. For reference, here is a brief description and example of use of the template:

The old style of references^[1] included a separate reference in the footnotes each time ^[2] a work is referenced^[3]. The new style of references^{[4]: 123–124} includes a single reference in the footnotes, with a page number appended in the body to the reference number, each time ^[4]: 321 a work is referenced^[4]: 312. If we use an entry in the list of References^[5]: 132 when using the new style, the entry in Notes can be simply author and year without full details^[5]: 213.

Notes (generated automatically from in-text references in the order found)

References (alphabetical, entered manually)

• Anothersmith, J, On New Styles of Referencing, PubCo, 2009 (if we have this in references, the entry in notes can simply be to "Anothersmith (2009)" without details)
• Smith, J, On Styles of Referencing, PubCo, 2009
  

The new style does not generate an alphabetical list of references in addition to the footnote. We can either provide full details when the work is first referenced, so that the Notes will include full details, but not in alphabetical order as in the Newsmith example; or we can have an alphabetical list of references with full details, and simply provide name and year when first referenced in text, as in the Anothersmith example. Pol098 (talk) 23:24, 20 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This is in regard to your recent edit to the Christian naturism article. An anonymous user wanted a source for Pope Pius XI calling naturism "paganly immodest." You then fixed his or her request to the Wikipedia standard "citation needed." Actually the desired citation from Time Magazine was there already, but at the end of the fourth sentence (Ref #50). Since neither of you noticed this, perhaps it's too far away and should be duplicated. On the other hand, it may be ok as is, and possibly Wikipedia doesn't need duplicate references within the same paragraph. Could you take another look at this, and do whatever you think is best? In any case, the magazine article (available online) provides the Pope's quote verbatim, so there's no doubt he really said this.

Thanks, RGNU (talk) 01:58, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'd simply noticed the non-standard call for a reference and translated it to the Wikipedia standard, with no checking or knowledge of the article. On the strength of what you say I'll add an extra reference to ref 50, again with no checking on my part! At least my change does seem to have drawn necessary attention to this small point. Pol098 (talk) 15:53, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't know you could use a reference twice by giving it a name (with no need to repeat the entire web link). Next time will do it by myself. Thanks again, RGNU (talk) 03:27, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

My pleasure. You might look at the section immediately above, References using the Rp template, for a format which I think is really good when references to different page numbers in the same reference are given. Unfortunately my enthusiasm is not shared, and I've been asked to revert articles I've consolidated references in. Pol098 (talk) 15:37, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. Please don't forget to provide an edit summary for your edits. Thank you. Your doing great work but can you please use edit summaries - as that would be very helpful --VirtualSteve ^{need admin support?} 07:41, 1 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'll try to be more systematic, too often I neglect to say anything (though usually don't intend to comment Minor edits). Thanks for feedback. Pol098 (talk) 13:11, 1 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In the edit summary for this edit you claimed that the {{convert}} template produces incorrect spacing for temperature symbols. The Wikipedia: Manual of Style (dates and numbers) and the National Institute of Standards and Technology Special Publication 811 agree with the convert template. By the way, in the USA, the Secretary of Commerce has the authority to interpret SI. He has designated Special Publications 330 and 811 as the official interpretation of SI in the USA. --Jc3s5h (talk) 21:05, 17 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That's a surprise to me, I'm obviously out of step. Thanks. Pol098 (talk) 14:09, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting addition about how to write negative numbers. Do you have some book where they use this kind of notation for e.g. (-5)? Best regards Ulner (talk) 00:46, 22 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'd never seen it before myself. The article mentioned that the notation ^-5 for -5 was "often" used, without reference. It seemed to make a lot of sense to distinguish between negative numbers and the operation of subtraction this way, so I modified the section on arithmetic to use it throughout. It could do with a reference, but I can't provide it. Hopefully someone will. Maybe you could delve back into history and find who initially wrote the sentence introducing this notation? Best wishes, Pol098 (talk) 00:54, 22 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Pol098. Thank you for your concern on my article. Now I'm working on collecting 3rd party information related to this article. it is hard for me to find such info, because most of the news is in Indonesian, not English. But I will put it anyway. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Garuda99 (talk • contribs) 03:41, 10 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Still needs references for almost everything though! No biographical details are referenced.Pol098 (talk) 17:23, 10 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note: article was later deleted (not through my action, though it didn't seem notable to me). Pol098 (talk) 16:30, 3 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

First Teletype is always capitalized...second while you may know that Teletypes are "historical", there are many others who may not know that a Teletype machine is a vintage electromechanical device. The "more recently" was added to frame the Radioteletype article and to add information that a first time reader may not know. I'd appreciate if you would rethink you change to the first paragraph. Thanks! Wa3frp (talk) 14:11, 8 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Capital T in Teletype of course; but I didn't make any edits of that word in the article; must admit my typos and use of caps in edit summaries (not articles) is very sloppy. Trouble with "recently" is that it becomes out of date; the original intention of my edit was to remove the "now" viewpoint, though you wouldn't guess that from my summary. The use of "more recently" wasn't as bad in RTTY as in articles mentioning the recent (2005) football championship, next year's (2007) conference on whatever, etc. If I'd known when computers began to replace mechanical RTTYs I'd have replaced "recently" by "from the mid-1980s" or whenever. If you know when, I'd suggest that you insert the decade instead of the relative "recently". In the meantime I'll patch it up a bit (without mentioning a date). The early or mid 1980s sounds about right for the introduction of screen displays in place of teletypes in computing, at least, but I don't know about use in radio. Pol098 (talk) 20:35, 8 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks!. The sentence, "...Starting in 1980s, teleprinters were replaced with computers running teleprinter emulation software..." appears in the history section to further support and clarify the first sentence of the Radioteletype article. All is well now as I understand your concern about the phrase "more recently". Wa3frp (talk) 12:02, 9 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your numerous quality edits to Radioteletype that greatly improve the article. Also, thanks for picking up that deleted paragraph in the Telex section of Telegraphy dealing with the beginnings of Telex in Canada. I watch Telegraphy for edits but that edit must have happened while I was traveling. 73! Wa3frp (talk) 01:53, 10 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That's what we're all here for! Best wishes Pol098 (talk) 02:05, 10 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I saw you've done some work on the Mountain biking page - removing redundant wording. I'd like to move all the text in the opening paragraph, after the word performance and incorporate it into the Equipment section, where I think it belongs; under the heading Mountain Bike. I've re-written that section - so you can see what I mean, but I didn't like to delete text you've just been working on without getting your opinion first. Thx Obscurasky (talk) 22:08, 9 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for asking but feel free! As there's a separate article on mountain bike, Mountain Biking doesn't need a lot of info on bikes. Best wishes Pol098 (talk)

OK, many thanks. Obscurasky (talk) 23:31, 9 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There seems to be a controversy over the two spellings of this word. Both spellings are correct in every day use. See, e.g., p.1168 (supercede) and p. 1170 (supersede) as variant spellings, in Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary, G.&C. Merriam Co. (8th ed. 1976). More to the point, the legal document in question used the spelling "supercede," not "supersede." So, the spelling "supercede" is the correct spelling to be used here. Famspear (talk) 14:48, 11 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Disagree, supercede is often reported as a common misspelling, it's only used so often because people can't spell and relate it to secede, exceed, and do on. Looking up supercede on http://www.onelook.com/ finds 7 matches, at least one of which reports it as a common misspelling, while supersede has 28 entries. However, discussing this further is a waste of time. Re whether text with occasional errors should be quoted with errors: I don't see any reason to quote people's errors unless I want to point out the error or make them look stupid. Pol098 (talk) 16:10, 11 November 2009 (UTC) MOS:QUOTE supports correcting trivial errors. pol098, 3 February 2012[reply]

Dear Pol098: With all due respect, I would argue that Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary, as published by the G.&C. Merriam Company, is an established authority on correct spellings, especially for purposes of Wikipedia. The "onelook" web site does not stand on the same footing as Webster's Dictionary.

Further, even if a word is misspelled, normal editorial procedure dictates that we reproduce the source accurately, regardless of whether the source contains spelling errors or not. Of course, true errors can be denoted by following the error with the editorial notation "[sic]" or by a footnote with words to the effect of "So in the original."

This is especially true of legal documents. For example, even the actual statutes as enacted by Congress occasionally contain a rare misspelled word, or a grammatical error. The private printers (such as West Publishing) who reprint such legal texts for actual use by lawyers and the courts will in no case take it upon themselves to "correct" the text. Those publishers reproduce source material exactly as it is written.

In an encyclopedia or in other formal writing, "quoting other people's errors", to use your terminology, is a basic tenet; we are not supposed to "correct" what others have written. Instead, we quote accurately what others have written -- errors and all.

In any case, I would take Webster's Dictionary for authority that "supercede" and "supersede" are both correct spellings. Famspear (talk) 01:00, 12 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(Notes added much later for anyone interested) "both correct spellings?" I'm not sure what you mean by Webster's, but entering "Webster" into address bar brings up Merriam-Webster, who say "Supercede has occurred as a spelling variant of supersede since the 17th century, and it is common in current published writing. It continues, however, to be widely regarded as an error." Pol098 (talk) 16:51, 18 November 2010 (UTC) MOS:QUOTE Trivial spelling or typographical errors should be silently corrected unless the slip is textually important. Pol098 (talk) 22:04, 16 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I meant no harm in changing your edit about fluorescent bulbs vs. CFLs. I just didn't notice that the original link was to fluorescent bulbs and not fluorescent lamps. With my edit I wanted to express a personal opinion about CFLs being a (rather poor -- thanks to a cheapo ballast) type of fluorescent lights. 174.6.87.98 (talk) 13:42, 1 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not complaining; I don't know much about the subject and was just fixing up the text, which had a link to "fluorescent bulb", which just redirected to "compact fluorescent lamp", so I changed "fluorescent bulb" to "compact fluorescent lamp". If VLC can use any sort of fluorescent lighting, which makes sense, then my specific reference to compacts was inappropriate and needed to be removed (which I did). Your edit was absolutely fine. Pol098 (talk) 13:54, 1 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

In Existence of God and electrolytic capacitors (e.g. "worse noise" instead of just "noise"), you are picking grammar that affects the meaning, and not just subtly. I have no time to check all of your work, and just wanted you, and thus others, to be aware of this observation. Jok2000 (talk) 14:57, 3 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Let's make a clear distinction: if I make what I consider a trivial change I mark it "m" (Wikipedia minor) if I make what I consider a minor change but think that some people might object to it I do not flag it as Wikipedia minor, but put "minor", "relatively small", etc. in the description. If I make changes which I consider to be mainly to wording I put "wording" in the description. Beyond that I do not claim not to be changing the meaning; I often do, with no intention of subtlety. When making significant changes to wording only in controversial articles I sometimes say explicitly "Changes to wording with no intention to alter meaning". If you find examples where I have claimed a change is minor (in any of the above ways) and it isn't, please bring them to my attention. I'm not perfect and I'm sure you'll find them - I did find a dubious example in the capacitor article.

If you disagree with my changes (mostly not flagged as minor) to Existence of God, you have the right to modify or revert my changes; I may proceed in various ways, but in fact am quite happy to leave the article as you have left it except WP:MDASH and clarification of an unqualified reference to "Swinburne" which the average well-read reader would take as the poet. I think you have reinstated one or two clear grammatical or formatting errors, but they can stay as far as I am concerned.

In electrolytic capacitor I changed
"Aluminum electrolytics have problems of noise, high leakage, high temperature drift, high dielectric absorption and high inductance."
to
"Electrolytics have worse noise, leakage, drift with temperature and ageing, dielectric absorption and inductance than other types of capacitor."

I described that as a change to wording; in fact it is indeed a little more. and does change the meaning. While both the original statement and my version are correct, I think mine is more relevant as one chooses a capacitor for an application by comparing it with other possible types - being Wikipedia, it is open to anyone who disagrees (or wishes to claim a large willy) to change the article accordingly. I have on occasion chosen to use a (very expensive) non-electrolytic high-value capacitor where stability was an issue. Ta electrolytics suffer from the same issues as Al, though to a lesser degree. If you compare the electrolytic capacitor article before and after I started editing it (in History select revision before my first contribution, then select right tickbox for my last revision, then click Compare) you'll find that my changes are not exactly "subtle" or minor; e.g., the highest working temperature is 175C (referenced), not 105C as originally stated.

I've responded to this in some detail as I encourage anybody who thinks I'm flagging changes as trivial when they're not (or any other shortcomings) to let me know. I do tend not to add comments when editing; I'm aware of this shortcoming and do try, but too often hit Send as soon as I've made a change. Pol098 (talk) 16:07, 3 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, let's talk about capacitors. The noise aspect of, for example, a tantalum capacitor is implicitly referenced now, whereas the previous sentence was distinguising different characteristics of electrolytics. And in any event, opinion words like "worse" don't convey the scientific fact that electrolytics by their construction (of layers of foil) there will be inductance (which the old wording simply called a 'problem').

So in other words, it seems to me you are mixing in some opinion where there was simply logic or science before (here and there). Jok2000 (talk) 16:36, 3 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've made Electrolytic capacitors a new subsection here as it's about the particular case. The original statement referred to Al electrolytics, and is correct. I worded it to include all electrolytics, which is also correct. Al are worse than Ta, and I should perhaps have addressed that. The original wording spoke of "high inductance"; I sometimes deliberately use words like "worse" as for the non-expert it's not always obvious whether a property is better if higher or lower. While "worse" is in principle a matter of opinion, I doubt whether anyone would disagree that noise, leakage, drift with temperature and ageing, and dielectric absorption are worse' in electrolytics than other types (I'm not sure if supercapacitors should be mentioned explicitly; not sure about inductance, not familiar with the inductance of other wound capacitors). It certainly doesn't contradict the spirit of the original; it's just as much a matter of opinion to say that these are "problems". ALL of these issues are due to the construction of electrolytics (layers of foil, moist chemical dielectric, etc.).

I'm sure it sounds as if I'm trying to defend what I said; this isn't the case. I'm all in favour of criticism and take it seriously. In many cases I change my behaviour. In the matters raised in this "choice of grammar" section in general, and the sentence quoted from the electrolytic capacitors article in particular, I don't see any general change that I should make (I can be convinced by further argument that my particular contribution to electrolytics was not good enough, but don't so far see any general principle I need to change). I'd encourage you to compare the article as a whole just before I started modifying it with the edit of today (I've added that Ta is better than Al), and would welcome suggestions about what I could have done better. Pol098 (talk) 17:09, 3 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I read what you wrote, but I'm going to keep this short. "Problem" is a better word as a search term in conjunction with "electrolytic capacitor" on google than the word "worse", and so it should not be removed. Jok2000 (talk) 18:03, 3 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent point, thanks. Any further comments will be appreciated. (added later) After considerable thought I no longer consider this point valid. While I do often make a point outside Wikipedia to include keywords in text, in Wikipedia specialist keywords are unnecessary as they'll normally be included in text as articles are added to. I often search the web an Wikipedia, and can't think of any way that inclusion of a general non-specialist word like "problem" could ever improve a search. I don't think there's much to discuss here (unless someone else would like to comment?); we should merely agree to disagree.

Bluntly I get the impression you're more concerned to find some valid criticism to back up your original comment that my changes were not trivial (to which I responded that I never said they were). I usually learn from criticism, but I haven't gained anything from this: I would do exactly the same again. If you consider that the sum of my contributions is a liability rather than an asset to Wikipedia by all means tell me so and raise the issue wherever delinquent editors are reported. Please let me know of anything I do systematically that could be improved (I'm sure I've made plenty of mistakes, but I'm more concerned about correctable trends), but otherwise let's drop this. Best wishes, Pol098 (talk) 18:07, 3 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Pol098, I've left a reply to your message on my talk page -- Marek.69 ^talk 00:03, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Pol098, I've left you another reply on my talk page -- Marek.69 ^talk 14:50, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

(Follow the "my talk page" links to see these messages, which are to do with capitalising the first letter of piped links or not, and my responses. 13:42, 9 February 2010 (UTC))

The article Tectonic weapon has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern: :unsourced article about a non-existent weapon [boilerplate deleted]

See detailed discussion in article's Talk page (it wasn't deleted). Pol098 (talk) 16:51, 18 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

My recent edits which you have un/done is unacceptable, it is even style as TRAVEL GUIDE i have reverted your edits but also have moved facilites information to MS Julia page, as in the case of all P&O boats. I hope this dose not continue. Best regards --Kavs8 ^{(talk  · contribs)} 16:10, 11 February 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.232.125.146 (talk) [reply]

Unacceptable? To whom? In particular the article before I edited it had text that would rapidly go out of date, which I corrected as per WP:DATED. What do you mean by "it is even style as TRAVEL GUIDE" - that I have styled it as a travel guide, that it is supposed to be a travel guide? I had in the Service section "From 1 March 2010 the service operates year-round with 3 weekly services, increasing to 4 in July and August." You replaced it by a long section which will soon go out of date, with odd capitalisation and grammatical errors. What information was in your much longer version that is not in mine? (I moved the sentence on what the service will carry to the first sentence, where it belongs.)

I really don't see why you're objecting, and so strenuously; I don't think I've changed the meaning of the article significantly (I did cut out detail about the vessel, but that's been moved out of the article, so it's moot). The points that need addressing:

• Wording that goes out of date "will start", "new", etc. need changing.
• It makes sense to mention what the service will carry in the first sentence instead of Service - it's just 4 words.
• If you move detail about the ship out of the article you have to add information on the capacity (just a sentence with number of cars, trucks, people, cabins
• In some places the wording is far too verbose and needs trimming. Also attention should be paid to capitalisation, grammar, style.
• A minor point: "branding" is market-speak, and more of a US term (in a UK/Ireland article). We're just talking of the "name" of the service.

Best wishes, Pol098 (talk) 16:30, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

(This article's content was merged into 2010 Haiti earthquake, but seems to have been deleted.) Pol098 (talk) 16:51, 18 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for working to improve this article but I noticed that the current article is a little unbalanced because there seems to be a plethora of references to BNO passports vs the other 6 flavours. I suggest that we create subsections for the different types and amalgamate the references for each type there. This was resolve the balance issue and show other users where they can made useful additions to expand the other sections. Does this sound reasonable to you? Spartaz ^Humbug! 15:56, 18 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for getting in touch. I don't claim huge expertise, but it sounds sensible to separate the different types. I suppose a section covering everything that's common, and history, then subsections. But I'm just making suggestions, have no strong opinion. I've made most of the changes that I thought needed making and I knew something about, and updated a few bits that had fallen behind. Best wishes, Pol098 (talk) 16:45, 18 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The article Brain stimulation has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern: Not a proper disambiguation page. Disambiguation pages are to help find an article among several that users might use the same search term to find, like different cities all named Springfield. They aren't for the purpose of breaking a topic into subtopics.

Article was deleted but later reinstated by others. Pol098 (talk) 16:51, 18 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Just to say thanks for the copy-editing and tidying up on the Prince Rupert article! Hchc2009 (talk) 08:18, 20 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

My pleasure. Hope I didn't do anything which wasn't an improvement. Pol098 (talk) 15:19, 20 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sir, if you have the time, check my entry on the ARA San Luis. You will be dumbfounded as to why the torpedoes failed as I was when I read that article back in 1993 on the report to the German Navy which was included. It has to go down in naval history along with the USN torpedo failures against the Japanese during the first two years of the war -- ie not only was the magnetic fuses failures, but the depth keeping was, and even when set to impact, they discovered that the impact pistols (firing pins) were made of material to soft and they bent!!! --Jackehammond (talk) 06:19, 28 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for drawing my attention to this, amazing. Strange that this wasn't better known, after being discovered in 1993. Similar to the problem with aerial bomb fuzing. Pol098 (talk) 12:13, 1 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

for this --Jubilee♫clipman 15:16, 3 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

My pleasure Pol098 (talk) 15:20, 3 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure of the technical side of things, but I have no problem with deleting redundant tags. Is one simply a redirect to the other? I'm too exhausted to look this up right now... Cheers! - CobaltBlueTony™ _talk 21:59, 3 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Just a quick one - I think the bacon article was originally using the term 'Canadian bacon' to refer to back bacon (an Americanism) though somehow the article has got itself confused over the term 'Canadian bacon' and bacon from Canada (like where you tidied up). Its probably best removing misleading American slang I think.. Cheers Clovis Sangrail (talk) 03:01, 9 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The reference to "Canadian bacon" I deleted was in the UK section, where it was clearly irrelevant (and unreferenced and tagged as such); Canadian bacon isn't prominent in the UK. As you imply, whoever wrote this was probably trying to distinguish UK from US usage. I don't actually know about usage elsewhere, so won't interfere. Best wishes, Pol098 (talk) 13:13, 9 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The entire deleted content was: "A replica of the original grotto at Lourdes, a Catholic site reputed to have healing properties." , with a stub tag. I have no objection to your reposting an expanded article, but I don't see any purpose for reinstating this very brief stub, which doesn't even say where the replica is. NawlinWiki (talk) 17:21, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I see the disagreement; you are reading the text as if it were a SPECIFIC replica, site unspecified; in fact "Lourdes grotto" appears to be a generic term. I will modify this. Pol098 (talk) 17:25, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You mentioned that the link was only posted once when reverting my edit. If you examine the user's record [5], the spam I reverted was added to numerous pages related to biodiesel. The user in question has added numerous refspam links, even after warning and conversation elaborating on why the references were inappropriate. See WP:REFSPAM. I have not, and do not dispute the inclusion of the information, but this source type (secondary, clearly commercial, no guarantees of reliability either) is to be avoided when the primary source (EN standards) is readily accessible. --E8 (talk) 15:27, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Point taken. You presumably reverted all references (or maybe they were very new?), as a Google search for <site:en.wikipedia.org "http://www.biofuelsystems.com"> found only the one instance, so this particular search did not imply spam. I would comment that a point-by-point comparison of the different parameters specified adds to the article even though the article itself links the individual specifications individually (in fact, the presence of the links to the authoritative individual specifications leaves the advantage of the comparison but removes the non-guaranteed reliability), but on balance I'll go along with you. If you haven't removed the reference from the article in question. EN 14214, I will. Thanks. Pol098 (talk) 15:44, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

In your comment on the Talk page of the user who added the links you say "The information you have added is interesting and useful, but the source must be non-commercial in nature. If the website, not webpage, contains sales and product information, it's clearly commercial in nature. Wikipedia policy is unambiguous about this." Is this definitely so? My reading of the guidelines doesn't disallow commercial links. I ask because I sometimes add links in Wikipedia articles to commercial sites which seem to me to be useful; these links don't usually get challenged. For example, on an article on transistors, I might link the datasheet for a typical device. In the Instant hot water dispenser article I added a reference not to an authoritative datasheet but to information I thought relevant and useful and for which I didn't have a better reference (http://kitchen-gadgets.suite101.com/article.cfm/home_electric_instant_hot_water_dispensers); this was in December 2009 and it's still there. This article and Water heating both have many commercial references; I haven't checked them all, but they seem generally to improve the articles. If the guidelines do indeed unconditionally forbid commercial links I may want to discuss this in an appropriate place as I don't agree, but don't want to engage you in a pointless debate here. I do agree, of course, with banning links intended to promote commercial (or other) sites without improving an article. I'd add that I have no commercial interests of my own in editing Wikipedia (I sometimes buy, and need to be informed about, transistors and water heaters for my own use, but don't sell them!). Pol098 (talk) 16:22, 2 April 2010 (UTC) PS I found the water heating site with Google because I couldn't find the information I needed in Wikipedia, and added it so others could take advantage of the information.[reply]

The best writeup I have seen on this subject is WP:WPSPAM->[6]. The purpose of DMOZ is to be a repository for interesting, non-encyclopedic (e.g., commercial) links, and Wikipedia in turn is linked to DMOZ.--E8 (talk) 19:03, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Also, to clarify my earlier comment, I am involved primarily with science/engineering articles. Source quality is expected to be higher (generally academic) for such articles; my comment was overreaching and doesn't apply to all WP content.--E8 (talk) 21:48, 3 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, that clarifies matters. I think I'm actually in practical agreement with you on the important general principles, though I'd express it slightly differently. In the particular case of the EN 14214 article context is everything, and the link added clearly had an agenda beyond adding to the useful content of the article, as you said. In general my existing attitude to commercial links (as discussed above) seems to me to be OK, and I don't need to change it. I've made enough edits (tens of thousands) that I need to be sure I'm following a reasonable line. Best wishes, Pol098 (talk) 12:26, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've deleted an exchange caused by a misunderstanding. If anyone who reads this considers I have offended them in an edit comment, please check that it does apply to your edit. I don't usually criticise errors (particularly spelling and typos - I make enough of them myself!); my rare criticism is intended to be constructive for good faith edits. Malicious stuff I can and do criticise. I consider repeated edits which, say, simply replace a correct by an incorrect spelling, to be malicious (a spelling error is a mistake, but repeating it is vandalism—anyone with a brain will check a dictionary before jumping in). Pol098 (talk) 14:53, 30 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have a reference indicating what source "lehmeyun" derives from? It may well be a transliteration of a transliteration of the Arabic - not direct.Mavigogun (talk) 14:53, 26 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I don't have a reference. As transliteration is just the sound, a transliteration of a transliteration gives the same result as a direct transliteration. Transliteration is only necessary because the original word uses the Arabic, not Latin, character set, so we can't simply copy the word like "pizza"; if the Arabs had given us pizza, it might be "peetser" in English, "pitsa" in Spanish—it probably wouldn't be possible to find out if "peetser" had come directly form the original or from Spanish "pitsa", or "pitsa" from the original or "peetsa". Given that there are a lot of people of Arabic origin in Latin America, and that "lahmajoun" isn't in common use in English so wouldn't pass from English into Spanish, I'd expect the Spanish usage to come from the Arabic. I think the spelling "lahmacun" comes from Turkish (which uses Latin, rather than Arabic, characters); I think it's actually spelt ""lahmaçun" in Turkish, which is pronounced something like "lahmajoun". The real point of my adding to the article that "lehmeyun" is a transliteration into Spanish is that it's the sound, not the meaning; it's not a translation from Arabic or English, and sounds the same as the English transliteration "lahmajoun". In my own (unreferenced!) experience, people speaking Spanish would use the Arabic word as there's no Spanish word, but if required to write it down might use something like "lajmayin" or, of course, "lehmeyun". I hope this makes some sort of sense. Pol098 (talk) 15:32, 26 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

not sure that I understand how a spark occurs when an inductive circuit is broken. Sorry about my lack of technical knowledge. Bwrs (talk) 20:38, 5 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

See talk:spark, I've answered there. Pol098 (talk) 20:59, 5 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

[7] thks! --Jor70 (talk) 01:06, 8 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

My pleasure.Hope article is improved by changes. Pol098 (talk) 22:00, 8 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Nice solution, clear and simple. Thanks 842U (talk) 16:23, 17 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Acronym is wrong, initialism's daft, a sentence is too long, simplicity's apt. 21:24, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Hiya. Bravo for normally supplying an Edit Summary - except perhaps when using the 'm' (minor) tag. But please remember to do one or the other :)

BTW, I see you pruned your talk page. Had you considered the benefits of Help:Archiving a talk page? Regards, Trafford09 (talk) 03:23, 2 September 2010 (UTC) Thought about it, but prefer to delete rather than archive redundant stuff (can be recovered from History) Pol098 (talk) 16:51, 18 November 2010 (UTC).[reply]

Thanks for the comments. As I see people notice, I'll try not to forget the edit summary - not the first time this has been mentioned. BTW, I'm far more prone to use the minor tag for edits than I remember guidelines saying - my attitude is that if I don't think anyone is likely to object to a change, usually in wording, minor is OK. I've waited (years) for an objection, and have had none. Thanks for the pointer to archiving a page, suppose I should. Till now I've just deleted stuff that I didn't think would be missed. I try not to remove any criticism (which I see as useful). Pol098 (talk) 11:21, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your positive response - refreshing to see. Cheers, Trafford09 (talk) 11:38, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Pol098: Hi there! I'm NicholasTurnbull, your friendly mediator from the Mediation Cabal, a Wikipedia dispute resolution initiative that resolves disputes by informal mediation, discussion and advice from a volunteer. Someone's asked for our help, and mentioned you in the following request:

Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2010-08-01/ESR meter [boilerplate deleted]]

NicholasTurnbull | (talk) 12:03, 5 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It was decided that references I'd introduced were excessively commercial, and they were eventually deleted (leaving the article essentially unreferenced). This was discussed re the mediation and on the article's Talk page. My opinion was and is that a lot of useful information was on commercial (but not advertising) pages, and the article has suffered by deletion of the references supportign and expanding on its content. Pol098 (talk) 16:51, 18 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

An unexpected surprise! Thanks. Pol098 (talk) 22:53, 26 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Most of the statements you are simplifying there are mostly the result of several years of edit warring and not due to lack of copyediting. They needed clean up and you are a the first uninvolved editor to come by and do it and for that I salute you The Resident Anthropologist (talk) 23:32, 26 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Dear editor - I appologies for my English - I would like to thank you a lot for your nice job here [8]. At the text about weapons - In late August 1941 unit - during travel - was disarmed (normal practice even at modern Army) - and up on arrival to training camp they recieved their weapons back. ThanksJo0doe (talk) 11:03, 18 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• P.S. Can you help me in a same way (grammar and copyedit) at other articles - it would be a great help. Thank youJo0doe (talk) 11:06, 18 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'll have a look later. I didn't correct the article in detail, just a few points, and wouldn't expect to do a lot more on other articles. The problem with the sentence I corrected incorrectly was that it was not clear - "recieved of" could be a spelling mistake for "relieved of" (their weapons were taken away), or "received" (without of).

You might find it useful to use a spelling checker, which would have helped in some cases. Firefox has a spelling checker which underlines all the words it doesn't know in red as the edited text is displayed (the two options for recieved are relieved and received); and the Google toolbar for various browsers has a batch (not constantly active) spelling checker. The Firefox checker lets you install dictionaries for different languages and choose the language you want by right-clicking on the text. Best wishes, Pol098 (talk) 11:12, 18 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I see you've been blocked from editing 3 times citing "tendentious editing". I must admit to seeing only the form of the article without paying much attention to the content, so I personally can't have any opinion on the content. But I don't want to spend much time on articles which are liable to be edit-warred, nor do I want to be seen to be promoting any POV on a subject which I'm not actually interested in or informed about. Best wishes Pol098 (talk) 11:50, 18 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Actually twice [9] (third record - it's talk page block -) - and both time becouse of my grammar [10] [11] - anyway you help will be appreciated at "calm articles" - 30th_Waffen_Grenadier_Division_of_the_SS_(1st_Belarussian), 30th_Waffen_Grenadier_Division_of_the_SS_(2nd_Russian) 29th_Waffen_Grenadier_Division_of_the_SS_RONA_(1st_Russian) Schutzmannschaft-Brigade_Siegling. However If it’s not in your rule to deal with “cursed editor” – I’m anyway understood you – you are happy not to be an WP:EEML target [12].Thank youJo0doe (talk) 06:48, 20 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Pol098, I'm trying to remove non-notable examples from the Cultural references section. The two sources do not show evidence of how Charlie Sloth's references to Camden are notable, the first only mentions a track title and the second is a self published youtube video which is not a wp:reliable source. Thanks Grim²³★ 01:09, 5 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

So dump it on those grounds! I won't object or reinstate; if this is in any way seen as a conflict between you and me, I hope you win, I don't want to, I'm only cleaning the article. I found a very brief unreferenced mention of Sloth which had been deleted in the article quite a while ago, looked it up and reinstated, expanded, and referenced it; not someone I'd ever heard of. As a consequence I looked up the actual song and found its content mildly interesting, and accurate in its factual information (plus opinions of course). My personal opinion is that the self-published youtube video in this case (remember that Wikipedia gives guidelines, not rules) is reliable; whoever published it, it actually shows the person named saying the things reported. So I'd argue that the material is all sourced. Having made all that argument as if I desperately wanted this material to remain, I personally see no reason for any of the huge majority of this kind of "references in popular culture" section in an article on a place or event, and would raise no objection to deleting them all as non-notable (both formally re Wikipedia guideline and in my opinion) (including the Camden Town ones, and this one). I'm more or less saying "I don't agree that these popular culture sections belong here, but if they're found to be unreferenced or unsatisfactory I'll clean them up" - but I don't think they belong even then. Pol098 (talk) 12:27, 5 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! I'm not totally hostile to your edit, but I am not familiar with the term "flag rank" being used with respect to (army) generals - only with respect to (navy) admirals. Is this a US thing, or is it a more widely used term, and if so, by whom? Thanks in advance, Pdfpdf (talk) 14:07, 11 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You may not be hostile to my edit, but I am! I retracted it before receiving your message because US forces do not have brigadiers. Otherwise the comment on flag rank would have been correct; I only know what I have seen on Wikipedia, but flag rank for land forces is indeed a US thing: see the article and you'll know exactly as much as me. Best wishes Pol098 14:16, 11 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

LOL! Your answer, and more importantly (to me), you attitude, are both appreciated and enjoyed. Thanks! Pdfpdf (talk) 14:26, 11 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This is one in a series of 21 lists with near-identical leads, so changes to that section should be discussed at Talk:Philadelphia Phillies all-time roster. Please post there instead of reverting again so that discussion can be undertaken as to whether that is necessary. Thanks. — KV5 • Talk • 21:31, 11 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Posted Pol098 (talk) 23:29, 11 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Vecino has been proposed for deletion: Dictionary definitions only, not appropriate in encyclopedia [boilerplate trimmed] PamD (talk) 07:59, 12 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete notice removed, explanation added to article's Talk. Pol098 (talk) 08:36, 12 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Pol098

I saw this contribution of yours and checked your source but not where in the source there is a mention of support for exporting into OOXML; it just says "Password protected Microsoft Office XML files" are supported. How do you know it's not just read support?

Fleet Command (talk) 05:29, 14 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your comment. 3.2 release notes clearly indicate support for these file types (even password-protected), while 3.0 clearly said it could import. Ooo program available to anybody (hence not original research) has "Microsoft Word XML (.docx)" as one of the input and output formats supported (it's on the list of formats, not import/export as such). Have added another ref to article. Pol098 (talk) 06:57, 14 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Israel and the apartheid analogy. [Boilerplate deleted]

Please also note that I am neither a vandal nor ignorant. The spelling was perfectly valid, and it is not up to you to alter another editor's choice of terms just because you are not aware of a less common form of the word. In future, please keep your unfounded personal remarks to yourself RolandR (talk) 17:35, 2 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This from someone who objected to my changing "publically" to "publicly", reverted, and objected to my re-reverting. I'm perfectly aware of the illiterate "publically". No further comment needed. These remarks of mine available to anybody interested, publicly. Pol098 (talk) 17:01, 5 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Pol098

I am sorry to inform you that I had no choice but to revert all your recent edits to Microsoft Security Essentials article. (I do not like mass-reverting other people's contribution but sometimes I have to.) Unfortunately, all your contribution had grammatical and style problems. In most cases, you create ambiguity and vagueness. Your most significant erroneous contribution is "MSE provides protection against more forms of malware than just spyware and adware, unlike Windows Defender; it disables Defender if present."

Now, this doesn't mean that I didn't see some problems that you tried to address. In fact, I'll go ahead of and fix what came to your attention. I'd like to thank you for what you did, thought it was not something to keep. But I assure you that your work will be the basis of a better article.

Fleet Command (talk) 23:34, 15 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

All right, here is what I did based on your contributions: First, you had deleted one sentence and completely altered another because they lacked source; I added sources and re-instated the sentences. Second, you hadn't like the style of the sections about MSE replacing WD and license agreement. Your judgment was good, but your contributions were not. So, I checked the high-school and college books on grammar and rephrased the sentences again. I think you'll like them. Last, you tried to fix the incorrect focus on the test results of the Beta version of MSE. Again, your judgment was good but your writing omitted a lot of info and gave the impression that tests were done by the same entity. So, instead, I merged the paragraphs and added a topic sentence. See how it looks.

Again, thanks for your contribution and again, sorry for having to undo them; but I think the eventual result is fine. Still, you are more than welcome to comment on my contributions; after all, what's fair for me is fair for you too, isn't it? Fleet Command (talk) 01:31, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

A process argument has opened on this page, to which you have contributed. Your comments are requested. The discussion is here (duplicated to all editors of this page) Xyl 54 (talk) 01:25, 18 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

In this edit to American University of Mayonic Science and Technology, you changed the wording of a sentence from:

As of December 2010, AUMS&T has chosen not to seek accreditation by any accrediting body.

to

As of December 2010, AUMS&T had not been accredited by any accrediting body.

I had specifically chosen the former wording to indicate that the lack of accreditation is a choice by the University, as documented on their website. The wording you chose leave open the inference that the university has failed to achieve accreditation despite efforts to do so. It's a subtle difference, but in trying to keep the most neutral tone, I believe the first version presents the facts in a clearer light. Please discuss before reverting back to the wording you chose. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 13:37, 9 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You are quite right, I had missed the statement in the reference given that accreditation was not sought, careless of me. My changing that statement was erroneous. I was first drawn to the sentence by a grammatical error which I corrected, and has remained corrected. Pol098 (talk) 15:51, 9 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, I just wanted to say thank you for correcting some of my careless typos in The Byrds article - that's twice you've done it now. It's good to know that someone's looking over my shoulder and keeping an eye on my work. Many thanks! --Kohoutek1138 (talk) 08:34, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

My pleasure. i'n not really looking over your shoulder, it just happened to come to my attention and I won't be watching routinely. Why don't you try a spelling checker? There are several that work with browsers. If you use the Firefox browser (for most operating systems) it has a checker that highlights all the words it doesn't recognise in a page being edited (lots of names, it's a bit confusing). Or the Google toolbar if you happen to be using Microsoft Windows. Pol098 (talk) 09:31, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the reply. To be honest, I do normally paste any new text that I've written into Microsoft Word, in order to check the spelling before I save it, but I guess that sometimes I just miss things. Anyway, thanks for the browser advice. --Kohoutek1138 (talk) 13:28, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi!

Thanks for your help there. I was citing Croatian translation of the book (not English original) so there are some mistakes in re-translation.Plus typos ,that occur always in fast typing.

I plan to add more citings there so I'd appreciate you help there in the future.--Kennechten (talk) 07:50, 29 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

My pleasure. Will see what I can do about the simple linguistic things (I won't get deeply into the article).Pol098 (talk) 12:10, 29 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You templated on the zardari page [13]. i dont understand why u did that and what it means? and for that matter, what is it in the first place?? thanks for your time. (Mni9791 (talk) 01:28, 10 April 2011 (UTC))[reply]

Asif Ali Zardari: I added the "{{As of|2008|11}}" template to "As of November 2008 the proceeds were in a liquidator bank account while a civil case continues." The change I made is not visible when reading the article, only when editing it. The information was presumably correct when it was added, but eventually it will change; in such cases articles often don't get updated and go out of date. The As of template identifies the article as potentially outdated, so that others can find it and update it later. See Template:As of. HTH Pol098 (talk) 08:40, 10 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

understood. thanks. (Mni9791 (talk) 11:32, 10 April 2011 (UTC))[reply]

(This moved from my user, rather than talk page on 5 May 2011. pol098)

dear wikipedia user, there is somethign wrong with the table box on Third Raid on Banu Thalabah.

can you please kindly fix, i tried everything and cant fix it--Misconceptions2 (talk) 12:06, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Have looked, but I'm not particularly good at tables, and don't know what you intend. Pol098 (talk) 16:32, 5 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

the table on that page is very wide, the tables on the other pages aren ot wide at all, i dont know whats wrong and why it is so wide --Misconceptions2 (talk) 17:06, 5 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I see what you mean, I was looking at the infobox rather than the very obvious wide box at the bottom. Unfortunately I don't know anything about this; your usage looks correct to me, an similar to other pages. There may be an error in the template; you could ask at Template_talk:Campaignbox_Campaigns_of_Muhammad, mentioning the article with problems. I hope this helps, I can't do anything. Pol098 (talk) 20:04, 5 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Back in 2008, Wikipedia compiled a list of IP addresses believed to be IWF transparent proxies (Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/2008 IWF action). They could all have changed since then, so this is for reference only. Since there is a known problem with people uploading illegal material to file hosting sites, some of the URLs may be on a blacklist. It is interesting that the ISP admitted to using a transparent proxy, but as Wikipedia found during the Virgin Killer affair, this can also affect innocent users.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 06:09, 7 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Undoubtedly file-sharing site URLs will be on a warned list (not a blacklist as such—traffic to listed sites is proxied to IWF, who vet it and allow it if pages are not deemed illegal). All sorts of sites will be there, e.g., totally innocent sites which may once have been hacked and had suspect material posted. I have heard of sites dealing with topics such as breast cancer ("breast"—obviously dodgy) being blacklisted (not by IWF; they are secretive so we can't know what they blacklist). There is no reason for an ISP to deny using a transparent proxy. An ISP has no obligation to refer traffic to the IWF; even if they do, they don't have to use a transparent proxy (which makes all traffic from the ISP's users appear to come from the proxy address, not the true addresses). You say "this can also affect innocent users"—it does affect innocent users. Consider a site that recognises users' IP addresses to regulate access. If it gets on the IWF list for any reason (e.g., a single page is reported to the IWF), suddenly it doesn't work any more, as happened to Wikipedia. I sometimes distribute files (e.g., photographs of family events) via file-sharing sites, as well as downloading from them (e.g., Scientific Linux). I keep an (encrypted) image of the data part of my passport and travel insurance details permanently on such a site; in case of catastrophe I can always retrieve it, if the site works. Pol098 (talk) 10:00, 7 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sites that allow any Tom, Dick and Harry to upload files are bound to receive some illegal material, and copyright violation is also a problem. In recent years I have steered clear of sites like RapidShare for this reason. Ultimately, either paying to host files from your own website (where you would have final control over what went on it) or hosting the files directly from your own computer (eg with HFS Server) are more reliable options.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 10:14, 7 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

(We're not talking about IWF any more). Regarding file-sharing sites, I don't care what else they have, nothing to do with me. I don't myself, as it happens, make files available to the public in general (only to people to whom I have given the link), though I might want to (I have in the past produced and distributed freeware). If I want to send someone not particularly expert a large file, a file-sharing site is my preferred option if a DVD is not suitable. I agree with what you say about hosting files; in fact, I can always connect to my own network over the Internet (via VPN), and that is my first option for my own use (including passport image). But I don't trust technology (being involved with it), so invariably have several redundant fall-backs. Pol098 (talk) 11:19, 7 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It is possible to use multiple uploads, eg Mirrorcreator which uploads files to multiple sites. Personally, I don't believe that public file hosting sites are ideal places for important documents, as they are an online version of a rummage sale and may have the sort of filtering issues described here.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 11:46, 7 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

"I don't believe that public file hosting sites are ideal places for important documents". I absolutely agree, I never said anything about important files. I detest the whole fashionable idea of "cloud computing"; I don't trust any person or company to keep my documents either without misusing them or without losing them (e.g., going bust). Maybe I've not been clear about what I've been saying; if a file "out there" goes missing, it's never a problem, I always have multiple copies of everything, and there's nothing permanently available that's dangerously confidential (I may upload something moderately sensitive for a day or two until its recipient has received it, but this is safer than email). It is not easy to access my files if I don't want you to: you need the URL, to know that the file is useful from its name, and the encryption key. And if you manage all this—a big job—at best you have a paper copy of my passport, not all that damaging, though I try to keep this information hidden. It's easier to get this sort of thing from a corrupt employee at a bank or a hotel. If you want to experiment, I authorise anyone who reads this to find, download and decrypt my passport details, which I store permanently on a file-sharing site as ultimate backup if needed when travelling and I am unable o gain access to my own network (it's up to you to find them, though). Coming briefly back to IWF, it would be a problem if I were unable to access my files in a (very unlikely: lost passport, no paper copy, no access to my network, lost network backup that I always carry with me) emergency; I would have to find an Internet connection not using a transparently-proxied ISP. Pol098 (talk) 14:22, 7 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

FileSonic's FAQ says: "If you do not have a FileSonic Premium account, certain restrictions may prevent you from downloading: We do not allow more than one concurrent download per IP address and also limit the amount of data you can download from our servers within a certain timespan. If you share your IP address with other FileSonic users (e.g. because your ISP uses proxies or NAT), you may be adversely affected by their activities." This could clearly lead to issues with an IWF proxy, although any type of proxy could set off this problem. The file hosting sites have these restrictions for free users to prevent excessive use in a short period of time.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 15:27, 7 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

That's basically referenced confirmation of what I wrote; you could add it to the article. Technically we've never been speaking of an IWF proxy, but transparent proxies which ISPs choose to use to route traffic via IWF, although they could do it another way. Pol098 (talk) 15:33, 7 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

(Spring 2010 Brigadier section moved out of chronological order to combine sections)

I've granted the IP's request for a fairly long wikibreak. The false edit summaries almost threw me for a minute. . Mjroots (talk) 19:48, 28 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Don't hold your breath - what is almost certainly the same person has made the same changes under different IP addresses, so I made no attempt to ask for a ban. Pol098 (talk) 19:56, 28 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No probs, I've got a banhammer and I'm not afraid to use it. I've got a way of keeping and eye on that particular article, along with about 3,000 others. Mjroots (talk) 20:03, 28 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Don't stop editing. Maybe a request at WP:EF/R would be of use? Mjroots (talk) 13:25, 29 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

FYI: {{IPvandal|216.26.202.187}} This is the third time this person has used different IP addresses to vandalise. See User talk:216.26.202.187 for the sad history and details. Pdfpdf (talk) 16:22, 20 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. No surprises there! More than 3 times, I think.Pol098 (talk) 23:01, 20 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

What's going on here? Bearian (talk) 03:50, 15 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'd suggest you have a look at the history of Brigadier, particularly the revision of 18:32, 14 May 2011 by Mjroots, and the section on Brigadier immediately above this. Essentially a very childish user from a range of IP addresses and various user names repeatedly vandalises web pages, with special emphasis on Brigadier, and now Garrison. Also apparently Troop. This started roughly a year ago, and goes through periods of intense activity separated by long quiet periods. User:Mjroots, who I have contacted about Garrison, is, I believe, watching this more closely (though not apparently aware of Garrison, which is being edited by different user names than Brigadier, though with identifiably the same type of kindergarten content and modus operandi), and can tell you more. Best wishes, Pol098 (talk) 09:12, 15 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I've semi'd Garrison too. Sock already blocked by another admin. Mjroots (talk) 09:52, 16 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Mjroots for update. I hope I've clarified things for Bearian. Best wishes, Pol098 (talk) 17:27, 16 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks to you all! Bearian (talk) 19:41, 16 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for taking the time to copyedit History of Georgia Tech :) —Disavian (^talk/_contribs) 17:47, 15 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Very minor changes! Pol098 (talk) 18:40, 15 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your bold edits to this article. Marshall46 (talk) 09:53, 26 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

My pleasure. Still has a lot of text unreferenced or referenced by the RC website which is likely eventually to get deleted. Best wishes. Pol098 (talk) 12:38, 26 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings...

Hello, Pol098, and welcome to Wikipedia!

To get started, click on the green welcome.

I hope you like it here and decide to stay!

Happy editing! Wipsenade (talk) 19:00, 3 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the edits on the Neutrogena page. It looks cleaner and better now. I learnt a thing or two about writing/ editing an article. Thanks..Student68951 (talk) 06:38, 7 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

My pleasure. Pol098 (talk) 07:08, 7 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ayman al-Zawahiri is a WP:ITN/C candidate if you weren't aware. Marcus Qwertyus 21:55, 16 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for letting me know, wasn't aware. Best wishes, Pol098 (talk) 22:00, 16 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Please see Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Embry.E2.80.93Riddle_Aeronautical_University. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 20:57, 11 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, glad to see that. As others have removed peacockery before and after me, and I got no support on the Talk page, I felt that I'd done what I could. Funnily enough, I've probably done more harm than good, by editing unacceptable peacockery which would have been reverted by others in the fulness of time into acceptable, referenced form. Pol098 (talk) 22:38, 11 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Supercede means 'to take the place of'. Previously "Grown Woman" and "Rose Colored Glasses" were announced as lead singles but then "Motivation" was released and it was dubbed the lead single. As the previous two singles are excluded from the album by logic and common sense, "Motivation" takes place of (supercedes) "GW" and "RCG" as the album's lead single. It has NOTHING to do with sales as such. I understand you're trying to say that "Motivation" was dubbed the lead single because it was more successful but songs on the R&B/Hip-Hop format often chart highly due to airplay rather than sales. Fans seem to forget that "GW" also charted... for all we know "M" could have sold less than "GW" but garnered higher airplay. Without a source you cannot claim "M" outsold all other singles as this is WP:Synthesis. Chart positions are not determined by absolute sales but rather my comparative sales. i.e. it is LMFAO who topped the Hot 100 because they sold the most in the week just gone NOT because they sold x-amount. — Lil_℧niquℇ №1 ^[talk] 18:28, 12 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I wasn't trying to claim that it outsold others, and have no wish to say that (I obviously misunderstood the original unclear statement and "clarified" it to something wrong). But I still think "According to Rowland's website "Motivation" featuring Lil Wayne superceded all other singles in the United States upon release, on April 15, 2011" is unclear to anyone not thoroughly immersed in the subject (apart from the spelling mistake) - what does "supersede" mean here, what did it replace?. I looked at the web page referenced and couldn't find "supersede" (or "supercede") anywhere on the site (Google site search: "search - site:www.kellyrowland.com supercede OR supersede - did not match any documents"). "Outsold" is clearly wrong. Also, a singer's website claiming that her recording superseded all others is a dubious source. Reading your note here (the article doesn't help), maybe the meaning is that it replaced other recordings on the Billboard Hot 100 or similar list? The original text may be suitable for a publication for enthusiasts, but either it's not clear for a general encyclopaedia article, or possibly it's just me, I'm not seeing something that should be obvious. Pol098 (talk) 18:56, 12 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I was providing a definition of supercede. I don't understand the issue here. The best example I can give is Obama superceded Bush as president of the USA. This is comparable to the album. "GW" and "RCG" were announced as lead singles but their release was limited. When "M" was announced a the album's new lead single by the very nature of the annoucement "Motivation" replaces the other two singles as 'the lead single'. Are you aware of what a lead single is? Its the single which immediately precedes the album's release. — Lil_℧niquℇ №1 ^[talk] 19:35, 12 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I know what supersede means (please correct the spelling in the article), but the use is not clear to the non-initiate in the article. Motivation "superceded all other singles in the United States upon release." as what? If I say "Boris Johnson superseded Ken Livingston." (a true statement), does it mean anything to you? You say "Are you aware of what a lead single is?" No; that's the point; I shouldn't need to know, as a reader of a general encyclopaedia. If the article had read "Motivation superseded the previous lead single" it would then make sense to the general reader, but I think that "superseded all other singles in the US" is still unclear. Pol098 (talk) 19:41, 12 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, you had put the advert tag on Shopping in Jaipur and deleted the list of malls. I agree with you that it may sound more like an advertisement but enlisting important shopping malls does sound reasonable. Similar pages like Shopping in Delhi, Shopping in Kuala Lumpur also contain lists of malls and hence it should not be an issue here. I think the page needs to be written more comprehensively and better phrased. Hope it would happen soon. Could you suggest a suitable way out ? --Adroit09 (talk) 19:17, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Personally I don't think that a simple list of malls and similar places (shops, restaurants) is ever relevant in an encyclopaedia article, except possibly for some particularly noteworthy example. In fact, I don't think an article on "shopping in <anywhere>" is appropriate. I think this opinion is probably in line with Wikipedia guidelines. However, the place to discuss this is in the article's Talk page; others will have different ideas and maybe a consensus can be reached. If you think the malls should be listed, by all means reinstate the list and see what other reactions you get; I will not revert. Pol098 (talk) 19:35, 28 July 2011 (UTC) P.S. if others generally support the article, and the list of malls, please make a note here (I might not notice otherwise), and I will change my attitude towards editing this sort of thing in future. Pol098 (talk) 21:33, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

In particular, the three-revert rule states that:

1. Making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24-hour period is almost always grounds for an immediate block.

YOU, ONLY, HAVE MADE THREE REVERSIONS WITHIN A 24-HOUR PERIOD

1. Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes; work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you continue to edit war, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Orderinchaos 12:26, 29 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This is nonsense; I made a change unredlinking common names such as Alec Thomson. My change was reverted asking why? I reinstated my edit, with summary: "WP:REDNOT personal names". It was reverted again, with a summary asserting notability of the names I had unredlinked. I reinstated my edit, with edit summary "rv. sooner or later another, different "Alec Thomson" will become notable & will be linked from here; this often happens. Redlinking "Alec Thomson (Australian politician)" would avoid all except very exceptional such coincidences." This is in accordance with WP:REDNOT:

"Redlinks to personal names should be avoided ... Frequently a redlinked name has been placed in an article, and subsequently a different editor has created an article about an entirely different person with the same or a similar name....". I don't propose to continue; so far, each edit I make has had more information in the edit summary, and I have said as much can be said in a summary. I note that I made an edit, and reverted changes twice, with explanation; but Orderinchaos, belying his username, reverted 22:23, 28 July 2011; 11:01, 29 July 2011; 12:25, 29 July 2011; by my reckoning this is 3 times within a 24-hour period. Orderinchaos has clearly made 3 reversions in 24 hours and violated a guideline on name redlinking. While guidelines are not binding, it is sensible that in case of disagreement the guideline should be followed until a resolution is reached. In this case a proper solution is simple and clear, instead of redlinkiing a bare name, add a qualifier such as "(Australian politician)". As commonsense has not prevailed in edit summaries, this silly matter will need to go to the Talk page for the article to see what others think. Pol098 (talk) 16:06, 29 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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I've got better at providing edit summaries, but do admit to sometimes omitting them for edits flagged as Minor. Pol098 (talk) 14:05, 30 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I just fixed your iPad screen size calculations you did on 5th June 2011. It was 19.7x14.8cm and not 19.1x14.8cm. Coeur (talk) 09:45, 8 September 2011 (UTC) Indeed. I looked it up rather than calculating, but the figure I found was wrong. Pol098 (talk) 12:47, 8 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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I usually do (much better than when this was first brough to my attention), except for some minor edits. I think this comment comes from a recent case when I forgot; I hadn't even noticed until this reminder. Apologies. Pol098 (talk) 13:13, 15 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It is curious, though: You did it again. You just don't supply an edit summary when reverting my edits. I don't mean to assume bad faith, so please be careful, okay? For example, you must explain why you reverted my insertion of {{refimprove}} and reinstated {{more footnotes}}, especially given the fact that the article does not have a list of sources besides the footnotes.

Apologies, if it's any thing more than a point that is really minor or trivial. It is really unintentional. I have been know to hit Save accidentally prematurely. In this particular case I'll try to include an edit summary for all edits. I've made a mistake somewhere here, as I didn't intend to revert {{refimprove}} or reinstate {{more footnotes}} - could you tell me which edits they were please so I can work out what I did? Pol098 (talk) 14:50, 15 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

And by the way: You are edit warring. When someone contests your contribution, you must not put it back to the article without communicating with the person who contested and without gaining a consensus. Fleet Command (talk) 14:24, 15 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see this as edit warring; on the contrary it's a very useful process. I added material on hybrid sleep; you quite properly deleted it as it was entiorely unreferenced (as most of the article is, I must add). This forced me either to abandon the change, or improve and reference it, which I did, and I think there was further back-and-forthing, each one an improvement. I think the hybrid sleep is now mutaually acceptable, and an improvement.

I've seen drives become corrupted so as to destroy all data from exchanging drives when hibernating, and could replicate it (I haven't tried recently, may be fixed). So it's a real issue (this statement is of course unacceptable original research in an article). I'm not just reinstating text, but improving and referencing it; there are recent eamples I've found of disc corruption assocuiated with hibernation. If I get to a stage where I can add nothing and only reinstate text, with neither changes nor arguments in edit summaries or Talk, then a war situation is possible. I've already [provided references that establish that hibernation can cause corruption in the case of an easy-to-make design shortcoming. Have to rush offnow, so will truncate this and not check it (hope it's reasonably coherent and correct); hope to add referenced information on corruption later, and won't consider I'm warring if it's improved each time. Best wishes, Pol098 (talk) 14:50, 15 October 2011 (UTC) PS have just updated computer, no spellchecker, which I'm addicted to, hence hopeless typos (I can spell but not type).[reply]

Oh, yes, we do have a consensus on Hybrid Sleep, but not about the Windows XP problem. I have a suggestion: If you wish to reinsert it, do so in Microsoft Windows and make sure that it is attributed to Windows XP. As for using hibernation for hardware maintenance, I think it seriously needs a source. And don't worry about communicating: I am an easygoing person; we achieve consensus quickly. Fleet Command (talk) 21:11, 15 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello, Pol098

I am afraid I had to revert your recent edits in Embarcadero Delphi. Unfortunately, they were less than desirable because:

1. You had used "significantly lower", which is a peacock term
2. Your second edit basically made the article read: It includes VCL and is not backward-compatible with VCL.

Personally, I think those parts of the article are good as they are and need not fixing; but again, you are more than welcome to try to improve them. Surely, your edits will be kept if they are indeed improvements.

Fleet Command (talk) 07:51, 29 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. You are nice. But please do not enclose what comes after |quote= into quotation marks because they are automatically enclosed. Regards, Fleet Command (talk) 08:00, 30 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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P - In your mind, what does still in print mean in the lead? Since we live in a digital world, a great many works published before 1923 are available as Print on Demand. Do they qualify for still in print? What about non-English language titles, are they included in this list? Discriminate inclusion criteria are very important for lists like this, so these are just questions to help establish good inclusion criteria and the right sourcing. --Mike Cline (talk) 22:07, 4 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Example. The works of James_Willard_Schultz#Books_by_Schultz are well known children's stories about the blackfeet indians. Here's an example of one of those works currently available: [14]. Would this work qualify for this list? --Mike Cline (talk) 22:14, 4 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

"what does still in print mean?" Readily available to children in some form. (Added later: changed "in print" to "available".)
"Do Print on Demand books qualify for still in print?" Yes. If I make available for PoD "Small Means and Great Ends" edited by Mary Hall Adams in the nineteenth century on an obscure and unpopular website, I would say it's in print; but it still doesn't qualify for this list unless lots of children have it.

For this article to exist there have to be criteria; ultimately maybe we can find a respectable published definition. But simply to say that any old children's book is to be included radically changes the article to "children's books published before <date>".

The original "60 years old" is much better than "before 1952" for an encyclopaedia in this sort of case. For example, it is quite appropriate that "Lord of the Rings" will be included in a few years unless it drops out of print; the article will come to look ridiculous without it over the decades.

"Would 'Rising Wolf White-Black Foot' qualify for this list?" I don't know the book so can't say. It is over 60 years old and was in print in 2009, so meets those criteria; I don't know if it's classic or not though. If and only it's accepted as classic is it included.

I suppose you could say that a book that is not available is not classic, so the "still in print" criterion is, while not incorrect, redundant. What we need is perhaps a sourced definition of "children's classic". There are lots of references to classic books, but it's assumed that we know what they are, and the term isn't defined.

Perhaps "available" is a better term than the lang-standing "in print" nowadays.Pol098 (talk) 22:48, 4 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

(Further changes discussed in the article's Talk) Pol098 (talk) 09:14, 5 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I believe that it is current practice on DYK to use factually correct but misleading blurbs. You may want to complain about it (if you haven't already) at Wikipedia talk:Did you know. No admin was going to remove it from the Main Page unless there was some immediate problem with the article (e.g., factually incorrect or copyright violation). Regards, howcheng {chat} 16:17, 23 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. If it's the practice I might leave it alone, didn't know (but don't approve!). Best wishes Pol098 (talk) 17:43, 23 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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I regret that when making a series of edits, or very minor single edits, I may sometimes not provide individual summaries. I made some very minor edits without separate summary, marked as minor, and covered by the summary of the next edit, itself smallish changes to the wording re IPv6. I then made another edit with summary, followed by an unsummarised edit marked as minor to correct what I'd just done. While I usually supply an edit summary, I sometimes forget even for more significant edits (e.g. press Save instead of Preview), and am often careless with very minor edits, particularly when part of a series. (added later): "prevents legitimate edits from being mistaken for vandalism". Vandals who know what they're doing provide misleading edit summaries; it's no guarantee. Pol098 (talk) 17:44, 24 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I see you are actively editing Castle doctrine. In the course of your edits, you've backed out one of mine. I think it's one you'll like so I am asking you to either redo it or let me know when you're done and I'll do it myself. It isn't a major change; in the section on Adoption by states I wanted to move the paragraphs on Oklahoma and Utah into separate subsections as is done with the other states, rather than leaving those paragraphs at the top of the section as it is now. BTW thanks for the cleanup and reorganization you're doing; it looks good. Cheers, Dave (djkernen)|Talk to me|Please help! 21:28, 10 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, inadvertent reversion. I'd noticed the anomaly re Oklahoma and Utah but don't know enough to change it. I'll see what I can do about retrieving your changes in a while. Hope these things improve the article. Best wishes Pol098 (talk) 21:32, 10 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah I figured it was an accident. It is a danger inherent in the crowd-sourced model. If you aren't comfortable redo-ing the changes then I will be happy to when your done. But I don't want to bother if you're still in the middle of edits of your own. :-) Those paragraphs could use cleaning up anyway; one of them references "the amendment" but never elaborates on which amendment exactly. Thanks, Dave (djkernen)|Talk to me|Please help! 21:39, 10 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I've finished with this article for the moment; if you're happy to reintroduce and improve your changes, I'll leave the article alone, unless you'd specifically prefer me to reinstate. (Later: have made a couple of quick tweaks which didn't interfere with other edits.) Best wishes, Pol098 (talk) 21:43, 10 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Done, and thank for collaborating! Dave (djkernen)|Talk to me|Please help! 16:17, 11 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Great, the article is better for it. Best wishes Pol098 (talk) 16:22, 11 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The highest apologies for undoing some of the work you did on Eureka: A Prose Poem. Having gone through the good article review process already, the article should probably stick with third-party sources. This reinforces not so much the reliable sources requirement as the policy that information in the article should reflect scholarship. If a reliable third party source has focused on it, it's more difficult to argue against it. In the case of direct references to the text, I'm wondering if it would be helpful to add a second citation which links directly to the text, but maintains the third party one. What do you think? --Midnightdreary (talk) 17:48, 11 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I've made further edits which may have crossed with yours; you may wish to check and maybe revert. No need to apologise. My personal opinion is that if we are saying that a text says something, the proper reference is the text itself if available (particularly if available online); if scholarly works should be mentioned and there is no particular point in them to cite, they should be in the general bibliography. But I don't propose to push this, particularly if there's a consensus which disagrees with me, and have no objection to anything you do, or any intention to revert it. I won't do anything further to the references; I might add a reference to Harrison. Best wishes, Pol098 (talk) 17:55, 11 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The concern has often come up in review of literature-related articles if we are pushing a POV. In my experience, the best way to avoid that allegation is to use third party reliable sources. It does seem to be consensus method for these types of articles; this way, it's not Wikipedia or a specific editor saying, "Hey, we should pay attention to this!" I do like your point, however, and would support a second citation after the third-party one which directly links to the text. I leave it to you if it's worth the effort. Thanks for bringing up the point either way. --Midnightdreary (talk) 18:03, 11 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I noticed your comment in this edit summary. I think that the expression "for a killing to amount to murder" would be accurate. James500 (talk) 19:15, 11 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Pol098 (talk) 17:23, 13 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. I have put a reference for "Queen's peace" in the article as you requested. I have no objection to "Sovereign's peace" or "Monarch's peace" if there are trustworthy sources for it. But "King's peace" is clearly wrong if there is no King. James500 (talk) 17:50, 14 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't "request" it, nobody can do that, but an article should be based on sources. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, not a newspaper, so we need the general term, not what's valid today. If sources referred to "Queen's Peace" it would be arguable, but I've checked the references given (one from around 1648, one from 1905) and they state clearly "King's peace". If only "King's Peace" is mentioned, we can't consider "Queen's Peace" to be sourced. Best wishes Pol098 (talk) 18:06, 14 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

As to your contention that there is no source for "Queen's peace": There is a source, from 1999, cited in the article, namely the updated edition of Archbold Criminal Pleading, Evidence and Practice published for that year (which I happen to have with me). You are not entitled to ignore a reliable source simply because it is not available for free online or to say "I don't own that book". And of course, you could get that book, or another recent edition of it, from a library. Or, if you want additional confirmation, you could also look at the thirteenth edition of Smith and Hogan's Criminal Law, published 2011, (which I also have with me) which says exactly the same thing at page 494. And there are other books. And I don't imagine that anything written after 1952 will refer to the King's peace.

There is a difference between rightly insisting that reliable sources be followed and selective blindness as to whether sources from hundreds of years ago might be out of date due to obviously changed circumstances and therefore not reliable. Especially when you have been directed to more recent sources, that more likely to be up to date, which clearly say something different.

The article has a separate section on "history", and importing the history of this offence into the main body will make the article confusing and probably incomprehensible. The history is simply too complicated. In fact, it will probably need its own separate article. There are plenty of other articles that adopt this approach. While that section exists, any discussion of the history of this offence should go in that section for consistency.

The article does need to explain what the law is now, at this moment, so far as is possible. It needs to explain that in a manner that does not force readers to look at large amounts of irrelevant material to do with things that are finished, over and done with, possibly for very many years. There is nothing newspaper-like about that either. Books on this subject do not adopt a historical approach, unless they are written as histories, because this is not a historical subject, because the offence still exists and is in daily use. They say what the law is now (or when they were written) and exclude material that is not applicable now (or when they were written). And Wikipedia should do the same.

The definition of "Queen's peace" which you have included is irrelevant to the subject matter of the article, for the reasons previously given on the article talk page. It also happens to be unreferrenced. It also happens to be wrong because the Queen's peace also protects aliens (including alien enemies) who are not subjects (1 Hale 433). The use of the words "for centuries" in relation to a rule of law implies that it has not always existed, something for which there is no evidence in this case. "Not considered to be murder" is probably a weaker condition than saying that it is not murder. And the references are not formatted properly.

Volume 3 of Coke's Institutes cannot have been written in 1648 because he died in 1634.

You have offered no evidence that there is a "general term" for what is now referred to as the Queen's peace.

Regards, James500 (talk) 22:35, 14 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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I got an edit conflict when saving the DAB page, so it turns out we both had the same idea at the same time! After looking at both versions, I decided to save my version. I thought it would be courteous to give you a heads-up, thanks Widefox (talk) 00:32, 3 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

One of us could have saved a couple of minutes! Sure, either version is fine. Have re-added MitB, the usual capitalisation. Best wishes, Pol098 (talk) 00:51, 3 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I think "pop" is usually just seen on packaging. e.g. "Serving size 2 oz (4 pops)". Sucker may be going out of fashion as I've mostly heard it from adults, but it's still definitely in common use at least in the USA. I've never heard sticky-pop either but it seems to get a fair amount of hits on Google images if you filter out the pictures of post-it notes. —Soap— 18:07, 7 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I'm not up to speed on this. It seems to be regional; do you know if "lolly" is used in the US? It's very difficult to get this sort of thing right, it might be different in many countries, and isn't a serious enough subject ot be documented. Pol098 (talk) 18:25, 7 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The only time I've heard lolly in person was from a guy who was visiting from Australia. I guess, like sucker, it's another word that is widely understood but rarely used in America. —Soap— 19:32, 7 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Obviously very regional, not particularly surprising. I've said as much in the article. Pol098 (talk) 20:37, 7 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I have removed your citation needed, with an explanation in the talk page Talk:Software portability. Basically, the links to the other wikipedia articles answer your questions. If you want to ask for citations there about the definition of POSIX/what Cygwin does, it should be on their respective pages. If you think that the part about cygwin needs an expansion, I'll try to expand it or explain it better, but to me it reads fine. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gcbirzan (talk • contribs) 18:56, 17 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for letting me know. I think the citations are needed here. Amongst other things Wikipedia is not considered a proper source (WP:CIRCULAR: Do not use articles from Wikipedia as sources). However, I'm not one for enforcing guidelines (this one is more honoured in the breach than in the observance anyway) and will do nothing, being quite happy for others to intervene if they want. You could either leave the article with the citations removed and see if anyone has anything to say (probably nobody will notice), or ask in the article's Talk (feel free to copy or comment on this if you want). Best wishes Pol098 (talk) 21:32, 17 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Pol098

I see that you have placed a POV tag on Comodo Internet Security without introducing any evidence or opening a talk page thread. Although I think you might be right, I think every assertion in Wikipedia requires a piece of evidence. As such, I have removed your tag until the evidence is provided.

If you would like to re-add the tag, please do not forget the evidence. Fleet Command (talk) 06:29, 7 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That is absurd. "Although I think you might be right..I have removed your tag." That flies in the face of WP:5P. Toddst1 (talk) 06:43, 7 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Absurd or not, that is policy. Everything in Wikipedia needs source and my mere personal suspicion that Pol098 is right is not evidence. Although I give no credit to my personal whims, apparently you do: You have disregarded WP:BRD and have started an edit war. So, I have nothing more to tell you, edit warrior. Fleet Command (talk) 07:52, 7 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Wow! An abusive and edit warring administrator who has no clue about Wikipedia policies! How my faith in Wikipedia soarth everyday! Fleet Command (talk) 09:03, 7 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the evidence, Pol098. Based on your suggestions, I have improved that section a bit. I know, it is not high quality but that's all I could do in my short break. I hope there will be more improvements. Again, thanks for evidence.

Regards and best wishes, Fleet Command (talk) 12:38, 7 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Greets, Pol098

My source for IPA reference as well as that pertaining directly to the English language is Professor Roy Delp of the Florida State University College of Music, until recently the master instructor of Vocal Performance. He and the colleagues there agree that proper pronunciation of "two" involves a j-glide. The reference text they use is primarily John Moriarty, "Diction--Italian, Latin, French,German--the sounds and 81 exercises for singing them"(Boston: E.C. Schirmer, 1975). There is a new edition of this text available, but this point would not change as the authority is not on English, but on IPA symbols. The thing about this is, certain pronunciations are considered archaic in some places and not archaic in others. For example, in German there is heavy disagreement about the ending E sound being [ɛ] as opposed to [ə]. I think in this case of "two", a case could be easily made either way and it really depends on the original speaker of the word. In this case it might be whoever donned the term "H-II" for such regions of space. I am sure he must have orally presented the paper. If we had this source information we could confirm what pronunciation he uses.

I hope that explains some of the confusion we've had - pronunciation is a big love of mine, so I love discussing it, especially with someone else who recognizes IPA as a form of language rather than random symbols that happen to mean random things.

BerretSO4 (talk) 20:38, 21 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for that. I don't think it's at all relevant to the HII region article, as I said in the article's discussion - basically, who cares? - but I find it interesting. I don't claim vast expertise in different varieties of English in phonetics, but I think I know what [j] sounds like (it has been said that it's like the "j" on "hallelujah", which sounds right to me); conceivably I've misinterpreted something. In normal English speech (and in all singing I can bring to mind) Daniel Jones's (and the less authoritative OED's) [tu:] sounds right to me (sometimes the vowel is shortened depending upon the following phoneme, but there's never a glide). Words that definitely have a glide in English speech, but often not in American I believe, are such as "duty". If we wanted to take this seriously I think we'd have to go to sound files, but frankly it's not worth the effort. If you're interested maybe you'd be interested in listening to some BBC radio programs, which I think are streamable from anywhere, unlike television? Best wishes, Pol098 (talk) 22:07, 21 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You may be right on that, especially recognizing duty as having the [j] glide. And yes, [j] as in "Hallelu[j]ah" or [ha:lɛ:lu:ja] with the possibility of the [a]'s being [ɑ]'s (depends on how tall the vowel is in practice). I've been "purified" by all the choral and vocal diction that conversational diction has some differences that are either wrong (from the origins of words) or simply how the language has evolved. BBC talk may be a good authority on this stuff, excellent point. But, as you said, it doesn't matter to H-II. I used my pronunciation (without the j glide of course), but a case could be made for [eɪ:] as opposed to [ɛi:] for the first syllable, so I may take your input on that since it also comes from OED. BerretSO4 (talk) 13:44, 26 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi, thanks for your edits. You obviously read the article very carefully to catch my spelling, grammar and usage oversights. I've been working on this article since April 1, and I was wondering if you had any more general comments on what I've done with it. It started off in pretty pathetic shape, and I needed to be bold in my edits. But it's very hard to judge one's own work. Have I managed a decent balance between comprehensibility and technical accuracy? What sections need improving? Are my drawings useful and well-integrated with the text? Also, do you know if there is any way to recruit an expert to peer review the text? I'm not an expert, just reasonably well-read. Thanks again! Stigmatella aurantiaca (talk) 19:05, 10 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! Thanks for improving the text. Hispanicultur (talk) 14:14, 5 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I hardly did anything! Pol098 (talk) 14:54, 5 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

See [15] - the family tree that you reference only shows that Diana and Lucrezia are fourth cousins many times removed. Unless an reliable external source can be found, the reference should be removed. AlexTiefling (talk) 08:42, 11 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No disagreement from me. The original text said that Lucrezia was an ancestor of Diana and was deleted as unsourced; I reinstated it as there was apparently a connection that could be followed, but didn't study it closely. I have no real information, let alone strong feelings. Pol098 (talk) 12:08, 11 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No worries. Maybe one day such a source will turn up! AlexTiefling (talk) 12:40, 11 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Nice work on integrating some treatment of the theological. Regards, -Stevertigo (t | c) 20:28, 14 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Glad it helped. Just tried to reword some existing text, and put it in the body of the article. Best wishes. Pol098 (talk) 21:09, 14 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Would you mind terribly if reverted your recent massive edit? Some of what you removed was excessive detail, but much of it is useful information. I imagine many readers would like to know (and it is very relevant to a fighter's article) what actually happened in the fights, not just who won, how and at what time. That kind of brevity is already in the results table. A blow-for-blow isn't necessary, but key moments should be addressed. Also, you (unintentionally, I assume) have created some new errors. Enson Inoue wasn't in RINGS, for example, and the Randleman paragraph is a mess. You've completely removed entire tournaments and obfuscated the point that he holds a title match record (if Silva or someone beats the record, it's an easy edit). Thought I'd ask before reverting, in case you have any real objections. I'm willing to compromise. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:58, 3 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I don't mind, and you don't have to ask. If you don't mind I'd suggest a discussion on the article's Talk page; while always a good idea, I want to know what others think for guidance for future edits. For example, I feel that for an encyclopaedia a list of only the most important sports wins is enough, relatively unimportant competitions and competitions not won (unless notable for some reason) should be omitted. I repeat, I'm not trying to argue that I'm right, but would like to find out if I should change my editing. In the case of politicians, I think articles are largely full of political propaganda; for an encyclopaedia (not a news medium) details of nominations and so on are irrelevant, election is what counts. I've applied the same general ideas to this article. Best wishes Pol098 (talk) 02:09, 3 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not necessarily right either, but I feel an article on a fighter should educate a reader about his career in general, not just the peaks. Skews the perspective that way. Keep in mind, at the time, RINGS was probably a more "important" organization than UFC. I also think a fighter is more defined by how he wins or loses than if he does. Sports are quite different from politics. But yeah, always good to get an outside opinion or two. I've pled my case on the talk page and fixed the obvious Inoue and Randleman errors. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:51, 3 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Since the RfC wasn't going anywhere, I've reverted. I've re-added some of your changes, but the lead is beyond my capabilities on a PS3. I have no problem with you re-adding "as of" or trimming any non-factual wordiness there. I thank you for your polite and reasonable approach to this dispute. InedibleHulk (talk) 14:01, 14 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Fine. As I said, I'll not do anything further. I'll leave the request for comment in place (unless you've removed it, or decide to - haven't looked, but don't mind). Best wishes Pol098 (talk) 14:31, 14 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No, it's still there. I don't have much hope of anyone seeing it in the RfC log now, but if someone visits the talk page later, it's there for them. Might automatically disappear after a while, not sure. InedibleHulk (talk) 16:22, 14 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I think this topic is of general relevance. With the permission of Kbala1055 I'd like to move it to the article's Talk page. pol098

I had noticed that you had removed the term His Holiness and also the visit to the point of confluence of rivers and ruins of the temple by the Jagadguru. I wish to state that the term His highness is still being used for addressing the Monarchy - royal lineage like the British Kings and Queens, and other state kingdoms in the world. In this way, in India, His Holiness is generally used to reverentially address the highly respected sages and seers of the ancient historical establishments like Sringeri Sarada Peetam. I kindly request you not to remove such reverential terms of address which are generally accepted in India. Anyway, I have used the terms like He for now. But I would like you clarify if I could still use these terms. Also Kindly request you to not remove the sentences that describes the visit to the ruins of the ancient temple - This is a part of the historical biography published in 1965 by Sri R Krishnaswamy Iyer and is essential for establishing the integrity of the article. The ruins of the temple near the confluence of the 3 rivers is an important point in the article and is an essential aspect of the biography (Part- 2 of the Biography - See the references section) published around 47 years ago - nearly half-a-century ago. This is an important event in that village. Kbala1055 (talk) 10:17, 14 July 2012

This is an encyclopaedia for general readers, not for those knowledgeable about a subject, and not supporting any particular viewpoint. It has many guidelines intended in general to support this objective. It also should only include matter described in objective sources, which the article should cite. Sources should be third-party sources not associated with the subject of the article, and also not things such as personal blogs. You should read the Wikipedia guidelines, some of which I'll point you to. The need for reliable sources: WP:Reliable sources. The need for objective articles: WP:POV.

Terms which are purely honorific, rather than descriptive, should not be used MOS:HONORIFIC. This applies in particular to religious titles (WP:NCCL). The particular term "His Holiness", while clearly covered by the general guidelines, is mentioned explicitly: "Honorifics such as "His Holiness" should ordinarily not be used in naming clergy except when discussing forms of address; see Wikipedia:Manual of Style (biographies)#Honorific prefixes." Terms of praise should not be used (WP:PEACOCK), simple facts should be stated. To use a non-religious example, if a soldier does something very brave, he would not be described as a brave, unselfish, gallant hero, but the facts would be laid out ("he defended his position with a rifle, while wounded, against hundreds of heavily-armed troops..." , and it it could be said he was awarded a medal officially described as being "for gallantry". Thta would establish that he was, in fact, a brave, unselfish, gallant hero, but by facts rather than using these words.

Material which is merely stated, but without giving a source, is often politely tagged by saying that the article as a whole is unreferenced, or needs more references, or by marking some text as needing a citation, showing as^{[citation needed]}; but it may be deleted immediately.

Some facts, even if meeting all guidelines including source, are considered not to be notable; an encyclopaedia is not a full biography, but a brief description. A visit to a temple in a village of 300 people and mention that a wish may come true is not notable (and also not referenced). If it is, in fact, important, the text needs to establish that it is.

This is all general. Some specific comments to what you say:

• "I wish to state that the term His highness is still being used for addressing the Monarchy - royal lineage like the British Kings and Queens, and other state kingdoms in the world." So? That is in the world of protocol. In Wikipedia "His Highness" gets deleted.
• "in India, His Holiness is generally used..." While I've already established that it's inappropriate anyway, I also add that Wikipedia is a general, international encyclopaedia, not an Indian publication. The same rules would apply to any country.
• "reverentially address the highly respected..." Wikipedia does not revere or respect anyone or anything. Wikipedia also does not disrespect anyone or anything, it restricts itself to stating facts.
• "I have used the terms like He". See Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Capital letters#Religions, deities, philosophies, doctrines and their adherents: "Pronouns for deities and figures of veneration are not capitalized, even if capitalized in a religion's scriptures: Jesus addressed his followers, not Jesus addressed His followers".
  
  Everything I've said applies equally to all articles, it is in no way discriminating against this one. An article starting "Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth" would be modified to "Queen Elizabeth" or "Elizabeth II". An article saying the Christian God is merciful and compassionate would have that statement removed. Finally, I have no authority in Wikipedia (nobody does). These are my opinions, not an authoritative laying down of the law. You have every right to disagree and to write whatever you want. If we end up disagreeing on what should be said, we would eventually call in other people to give their opinion. I hope you find this really helpful. Best wishes, Pol098 (talk) 13:05, 14 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks for your clarification. I appreciate your efforts in pointing out the Wiki style of writing. My comments below -

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I would like to let you know that this article had been under the REFIMP tag some years ago as I had just provided one or two references only then. But over a peiod of past 4 to 5 years, I had collected reliable and authentic references from periodicals in India, Monthly magazines, newspapers, published works of the biography along with website links from various sources. Now the list of references along with external references are more than a dozen. I hope this is sufficient and I feel that REFIMP tag is inappropriate and should be removed. Also I would like to inform you that this article had been cleaned up by user:ravichandea84 (User:Ravichandar84|Ravichandar ) - He is an experienced wikipedian who had authored many articles on India in wikipedia - The tags were removed after he cleaned up this article after I had added some more references and the tag was removed after discussing with the wikipedians. You can refer or ask him if you wish to clarify this article. He had placed this article as "Start-class" - I had provided the material content from the various reliable sources like published books, articles in magazines and internet links.

I feel most of the article has already been cleaned up by him - He had reformatted the article in sections called as "Early Life", "Pontificate", "Biographies" and "Places associated with Sacchidananda Bharathi-I" . I added 2 sections like "Compositions, Hymns and Works" and "Visit on June 2 2012" - I feel most of it can be retained except the new section on the visit on 2nd June 2012 - Pls go through the section and let me know which of the sentences have to be wikified.

To clarify your queries -

1) Mutt is the term used interchangeably in India to denote " Matha " - You are right - But both terms are accepted in India - Can both be used as per wiki guidelines? Pls let me know

2) Pontiff - The wikipedia defines pontiff for Jagadgurus and Swamijis in Hinduism - So I think it is appropraite to use this term interchangeably with Jagadguru or Swamigal. In cases where you find He as inappropriate as per Wiki guidelines, I think Jagadguru can be used.

2) Sachchidananda Bharathi-I is considered by his devotees to have saved Sringeri through his penance and austerities -> you can refer the link as this is reliable source - "http://www.sringeri.net/jagadgurus/the-later-acharyas-2 " -- He had done it through his meditation, prayer, austerities and penance - An extract given below for your reference: " No sooner did Virabhadra Nayak ascend the throne of Ikkeri, than Bhairava, chief of Kalasa, invaded his territory and captured a slice of it, which included Sringeri. In his cupidity, he committed the irrelevant act of ordering the Guru to come to his court and compelling him to yield the valuables of the Math. Nothing perturbed the Guru who went into meditation and refused to yield to aggression. Bhairava then went to Sringeri and plundered its wealth and on his way back defeated the Nayak forces that had come for the relief of the Guru. Thus emboldened, he again went to Sringeri, and when the Guru was about to leave the Math, relief came from Nayak. Bhairava came a third time to plunder the Math. Left with no help but the power of his tapasya, the Guru retired to his meditation, and saw in a vision the mysterious response of the deities in Sringeri, who appeared as bearing arms and attacking the invader. The Guru was soon informed that Bhairava had actually left the town. He celebrated the occasion by composing the poems, Ramachandra Mahodaya, Guru Stuti Satakam, Rama Bhujanga , Meenakshi Ashtakam and Meenakshi Satakam."

Pls let me know if REFIMP tag can be removed and additional clarifications tag also can be removed. Thanks for your time and hope that article can be reatined without tags. Kbala1055 (talk) 10:03, 15 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Where to start? You've beeon on Wikipedia for years, so I'd expect you to get most of your ansers by reading tha many documents on th Manual of style and guidelines. The criteria are very often not met, and this is often accepted. The general idea is that every statesman should be supported by a specific reference, and that reference should be from a source not closely identified with its subject. What is written should be verifiable fact. Thus "The singer appeared at the Xxx festival", without a reference, would often be accepted as reasonable and probably right, although it should have a reference. "The singer is prestigious and has a very powerful voice and masterful technique, and was a very important influence" is likely to be deleted if not referenced. Even with reference, it may be criticised as WP:PEACOCK wording, with facts instead of descriptions. Thus replace "prestigious" with awards won, singing professorships, and so ob.

There are no rules as such, you can write exactly what you want, but anyone else who disagrees can change it. Between two people who disagree amicably, the end result is usually an improvement. You ask me if you can use "Mutt"—you can use whatever you want, but use of an unusual and unexplained trouble is likely to be criticised. I'd be equally critical of an article saying, without links or references, "a helium-neon laser emits light of characteristic wavelength". In this case most people do know what a laser is, but at least links to other articles help them to look it up; in some cases adding "(a device which emits a tight beam of light of a single frequency)" would help. I worked out by looking at some links that mutt was probably mathi, but the article should have told me. In the article as it was I consider "He was the supreme pontiff of the Hindu mutt Sringeri Sharadha Peetam" ro be obscure; my wording wording is one clearer possibility; otherwise you could at least say [[Math|mutt]], which renders as the visible word "mutt", highlighted as linked and leading to the "Mathi" article. You say that "pontiff" (which wasn't linked) is OK because the Pontiff article says that it is equivalent to Javadguru—I just added that to the Pontiff article myself because it seemed to be the case, without reference (I couldn't find one)! It may be wrong, in which case I hope somebody either corrects it or finds a reference—that's how Wikipedia works. I think it would be useful for the Pontiff article to have a bit more on use in Hinduism, and for all articles using the term to link to it.

The incident you describe in detail as "having protected the integrity of the Peetham and enhanced its greatness" and "is generally credited by his devotees with having saved Sringeri through his penance and austerities", without further context is both very obscure and not referenced in the text. What you say above is that it was attacked three times; the first time it was sacked, the second time armed defenders were available, the third time Sacchidananda Bharati prayed, dreamed about divine defenders, and the attackers left. You could say something brief like that, but the original unsourced statements didn't put the situation accross.

You ask about removing the "refimprove" tag. In my opinion the article is still full of statements which are not supported by inline citations (footnote numbers to sources, giving page numbers where relevant). Look at template:refimprove and Wikipedia:Citing sources. The tag calls attention to everybody to add references and sources.

I have to go, so will stop here. I've had a very quick look at the article on Hinduism; it seems at a glance to be reasonably well sourced and footnoted, and may serve as an example. Pol098 (talk) 23:43, 15 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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At the outset, I frankly would like to let you know that this article was cleaned up by an experienced wikipedian who had written many

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articles in the wiki using the references provided by me. After I had gone for a wiki help, another wikipedian had mentioned that the tag

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can be removed after I had provided a lot of references. I thought that the article had enough citations until now.

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I spent a lot of time reading the biography and digging some more and am writing after this reading.Also I noticed that 

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you had cleaned using the material provided - But there are additional citations that would be useful and bring to your attention.

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I had a look at the article Hinduism and it is very well written but I would like to point out that the subject like Hinduism is a vast ocean and you can get numerous citations and references from various sources. Here I am dealing only with a biography of the 25th Jagadguru in the hoary lineage of Gurus of Sringeri matham/mutt with just a dozen or more references. Hence, I feel that I can improve the inline citations only at certain relevant places which are important to the biographical outline even though theoretically evey sentence can include a citation. This is my limitation and I would to state my difficulties given below:

I would definitely like to improve citations of references but I am faced with a peculiar problem - The Tamil version of the biography of Sri Sachidananda Bharathi-I Vijayam – Volume -2 contains 9 chapters devoted to this aspect of his pontificate or peetadhipadhyam -Chapters 4 to 9 from pages 31 till 70. The English version of the biography of Sri Sachidananda Bharathi-I contains 4 chapters from Chapter 7 till Chapter 10 from pages 18 till 29 – Chapter 7 – Political troubles Chapter 9 – Defence of Sringeri Chapter 10 - Divine intervention As the numbers of chapters are voluminous, it would be too cumbersome to include in detail these chapters and since this is only a summary of his biography, I need some clarifications - I would like to know how to include this as a citation inside the article. Do I need to expand this article by including a few more sentences given below by including the references of pages or chapters or if I can just mention these pages as references? - Sachchidananda Bharathi-I is considered by his devotees to have saved Sringeri through his penance and austerities during a period when Sringeri was attacked by a neighboring King Bhairava of Kalasapuram thrice. The King of Ikkeri, Veerabhadra Nayaka came in support of the Sringeri Mutt and the surrounding territory. He was defeated by King Bhairava twice and thus he was emboldened to attack Sringeri the third time. Sri Sachidananda Bharathi-I prayed for divine help through his penance and austerities. The next day, the Jagadguru was informed that he had left the town. The Guru in his vision during his meditation gleaned that the surrounding deities had defended Sringeri. You can wikify these sentences as required.

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Sanskrit words have been translated by scholars to different languages for so many years – We can only use close equivalents of the words if the exact match is not available in English – So, Matha or Mutt , English equivalent of Jagadguru can be used as pontiff due to the lack of an exact equivalent word which expresses the complete meaning of the Sanskrit words like “Jagadguru” even though the meaning of Jagadguru literally means the Guru of the world or universe. But I do not know how I can get citations for this – Do I have look in Dictionaries for this? I am not sure.

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“Some facts, even if meeting all guidelines including source, are considered not to be notable; an encyclopaedia is not a full biography, but a brief description. A visit to a temple in a village of 300 people and mention that a wish may come true is not notable (and also not referenced). If it is, in fact, important, the text needs to establish that it is.” This is an extract from the website for the visit in this URL http://vijayayatra.sringeri.net/vathalagundu-june-1-2012/ I feel that Jagadguru has emphasized the importance of this visit to this village even though he could not visit many places in this region - I think this is notable considering the importance this village has for the general article and other subsequent events that have happened in this village. Pls let me know your opinion and I feel this can be retained by wikifying this article “The Jagadguru expressed that it was natural for the Acharyas of Sringeri to associate a special importance to the birthplace of their predecessors and remembered His Guru’s visit to the village in 1965 and His own visit in 1987. The Jagadguru conveyed that that though He was not making a Vijayam to many towns in Tamil Nadu during the current Vijaya Yatra, He had resolved to come to Kunnuvaarankottai and bless the residents. The Jagadguru gave His blessings for the proposed construction of a Mandapam in the Vishalakshi Sameta Vishwanathar temple and said that the Math would offer its help in the construction.” Pls let me know if the following can be added : Jagadguru appreciated the efforts of the villagers for having built a Dhyana Mandapam in this village for Sri Sri Sri Sacchidananda Bharati I. He recalled his visits to this village in 1987 and his Guru’s visit in 1965 and blessed the residents of this village. He also gave his blessings for the proposed construction of a mandapam in the Vishalakshi Vishwanathar temple.

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There are a few more references that have been published in monthly magazines in India that details the visit of the Jagadguru to this village on June 2 2012. I will try to add them soon in the references. Kbala1055 (talk) 10:10, 1 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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   I have included some more inline citations in the main article. 
    Also I scouted for some good English to Sanskrit dictionaries and found that Pontiff has been translated as Pradhana Dharmadhyaksha

Jagadguru here can mean upholder of Dharma also – in this sense, Pradhana Dharmadhyaksha can apply to him also – I am including this citation from dictionary Pontificate - meaning - Dharmadhyaksha Adhikara - Who has authority to protect and uphold Dharma - I feel this an be used and iincluded this citation. Hope this is ok as per Wiki and hope that this tag be removed. Kbala1055 (talk) 13:53, 4 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Author/Pol098

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Hello. You left a comment on the talk page of Children's literature in December, questioning the division of books into four sections. No one has answered or replied. Though I have tried to fix it up a bit, I too, find the divisions questionable and cumbersome. Would you support removing them? Along, perhaps , with the UN def of a child, which seems awkward to me? Why not just start by discussing various types of kids lit? The article gets quite a few hits, and I hate to see it in such a mess, but I'm pretty new here and don't feel comfortable taking such moves unilaterally. Thanks for your input. Tlqk56 (talk) 01:51, 27 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That was a while ago; I've had another look at the article and it's basically a mess. When you say "Would you support removing them?" what do you mean? I would approve of anything that improves the article; but you don't need anyone's approval. Personally I would probably just write something sensible "children's literature is literature written to be read by children—people under perhaps the age of 13—where it shades into young people's literature...". That sort of thing might be accepted; but ideally you are supposed to write only what is found in WP:reliable sources, which you cite. I didn't make any major changes to the article because it would need lots of research in an area I'm not familiar with. As a rule of thumb, if you make significant changes without citing sources, if they're sensible they often get left, but anyone can challenge them and either delete them or flag them as^{[citation needed]}. Of course, you can do the same things. To get you started, the Oxford English Dictionary 2nd ed (the huge one) defines child as: "A young person of either sex below the age of puberty; a boy or girl"; you can use this if you want^[1]. (By the way, you might want to distinguish between literature for girls and boys, I think that needs mention, and doesn't have it). If you don't want to start with major changes, make small changes. If you're not sure how to get the format right, check a Preview carefully before Save-ing, or copy/paste the whole article to your personal sandbox, edit it there till you're quite sure, then copy it back (if someone else has edited in the meantime you have to handle that and merge the changes manually). I hope this is of some assistance, Best wishes, Pol098 (talk) 02:23, 27 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the input. I agree it's a mess, and I would like to do just what you suggest. I do have a number of ref books on children's lit that I can use. But I hesitated to make any major changes on my own. I know I don't need permission, but some kind of agreement or consensus is nice. Anyway, thanks for the input. I'll take a look at my books and maybe just dive in. (Thanks for the shorter def. I may use it.) Tlqk56 (talk) 02:39, 27 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

My pleasure. You could ask on the article's Talk page; even if you're ignored, you've got a leg to stand on in a subsequent discussion. Some people get upset if you make significant changes without discussion (which I often do, usually without problems). Pol098 (talk) 02:59, 27 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

When you were editing Stone (unit) a few days ago, you added the following:

While the stone remains a common unit of weight in the British Isles, it is virtually unknown even as a historical unit in North America and other places; use of the term can mystify an international audience.

If you had a cite in mind for that, could you ping us at Talk:Stone (unit)?

Thanks,

GaramondLethe 16:18, 31 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Plesae put in a critique of Okeefes stuff to balance the section. Otherwise a lot of conspiracy nutjobs will leap on it. IMO its serious crap anyway. The capture of ENIGMA related material would have alerted the Nazis anyway, considering that Doenitz was highly suspicious that either Enigma was being compromised, or it was HUMINT work at the U Boat bases. Sorry to be bugging you, but just trying to improve the article too :) Cheers Irondome (talk) 01:35, 21 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Some of it has just been published very recently, it's early days. There was a television program "Dieppe uncovered" shown I think in several countries very recently in which most of this can be seen. Film of typescript with significant text is showm, suggesting that it's either original, or a copy of original. The idea does actually make a lot of sense; Enigma was considered to be extremely important, important enough to not try to avoid the flattening of Coventry so as not to reveal that Enigma warned about the plans, or so it is widely reported. Until O'Keefe publishes I don't think the original sources, to which he says he had access, will be known. At the moment O'Keefe is quoted in respectable places, as he promotes his book. I'd happily include any contrary opinion, I don't want to promote anything. I tend to believe there's probably something in it, but ultimately it's sources that matter. Haven't found anything useful Googling "o'keefe criticised dieppe",lots of sources hailing the new material. I couldn't find anybody expressing serious doubts. I don't claim either independent evidence or information, or a desire (as distinction of consideration of evidence) to support O'Keefe. I would like to say "some historians dispute O'keefe's interpretation", but can't find any. Maybe you can?

Theidea of stuff kept secret until now and just coming to light is not only the stuff of conspiracy theories, it's what happens with a great many British wartime (and other) secrets.(talk) 01:54, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

The link being flagged as dead is definitely not; I can either click on it, or copy and paste it, and it comes up quickly. Maybe if you try through a proxy? The content is similar to the other link I added, with some mode details, presumably different writeups from the same source.Pol098 (talk) 02:12, 21 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Ive not been able to pick up the link. Maybe the problem is here. I will have a look for critiques of the OKeefe theory. My only point is that without some balancing evidence, some Wiki users may come away with the false impression that this was the official and accepted reason for the raid, while we all know that it is contentious. Also remember Enigma was in the public domain in the early 70s, so why does this theory only come to light now? The only problem with Dieppe was Mountbatten, who was a strategic A***hole, IMO. Will have a look and mail if I see anything.Irondome (talk) 09:16, 21 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

As more is to be published related to the new evidence, the simplest approach to the content is probably to wait and see. Regarding the link, I remain able to connect with no problems, but it is not important; I only added it because the statement that the pinch was unsuccessful was tagged as dubious, and this particular fact, though obviously true, wan't stated in the original article. I'll address comments in article's Talk. Pol098 (talk) 11:17, 21 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much for the efforts you have made to bring that article in line with Wikipedia's encyclopedic standards. I am insanely busy in Real Life and frankly, while I talk about the case with family and friends in Toledo, I had forgotten to check on the article. It was most kind of you to let me know you'd worked on it and you seem to have improved the article greatly in terms of toning down some of the more sensational assertions. As for whether it belongs under his name or under the victims name -- Wikipedians tend to be divided on this when the victim is famous in their own right but not when the victim's only celebrity is due to their death. In those cases, they tend to lump the crime under the person accused or convicted. To make the article more in like with WPBLP standards, we could include more information about the man's life and career before the allegations that implicated him in the murder case and during the decades long interval when he was not charged with the crime. As I have said before, I don't take a stand on his factual guilt or innocence. How could I? I wasn't a fly on the wall when that poor woman was killed nor was I privy to the evidence the Jury saw. My interest in the article has more to do with the community reactions, a resurgence in "Satanic panic" type prosecutions, the RC Church's flip-flopping opinions on the case and the ongoing and ever-widening RC Sex Abuse scandal in the Toledo Area. I'm a Folklorist and Anthropologist who has written about similar issues and so, this case struck a chord with me.

As for the article, you seem to be doing fine on your own but I will do a little more advanced research and see if I can come up with some neutral information that adds to the entry without weighting the article to one side or the other. Again, I thank you SO much for taking on such a task. I know it's not easy to take a step back and edit articles like these. It's commendable that you even gave it a go! You have my gratitude! Thank you again for tackling a difficult subject. I hope I can help out here and there with a fact or two and a reference. LiPollis (talk) 10:43, 21 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Glad it helped. I have no independent expertise or knowledge of the case, and don't think I can do any more. Personally I think it's all about the case; Robinson's life is relevant only as far as it reflects upon his character or relates to the murder. You mention an "ongoing and ever-widening RC Sex Abuse scandal in the Toledo Area" which I wasn't aware of (I may have come across it, but there's so much, in so many places, that one loses track). It would seem relevant to add some indication of this, either as background, and to the effects of the case within the community. Rumours often should be reported, as rumour rather than fact of course. Not for me to do. Best wishes, Pol098 (talk) 11:29, 21 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Did you write this sentence, "They place less electrical load on the memory controller and allow single systems to remain stable with more memory modules than they would have otherwise."? It looks like you copied it to ECC_memory from Registered_memory without attribution. Such copying is fine, IFF there's proper attribution. Please respect the BY in CC--BY-SA! Apologies if they were your words in the first place, but it looks like plagiarism.--Elvey (talk) 22:33, 21 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]