I have just created Wikipedia:Requests for comments as a forum for announcing any matters that need commentary by other people. I've made such requests pretty frequently, and thought it might be helpful to have a page like this. Comments? -- Wapcaplet 13:12 17 Jul 2003 (UTC)

How is this different from Wikipedia:Village pump? Way more people watch that page. I admit I RFC too, but I think the solution is to clean the pump more often. -- Merphant 05:12 22 Jul 2003 (UTC)

... except that, with the ridiculous imposition on the length of the Pump due to dilapedated browsers, as the number of people working on the Wikipedia grows, so do the number of comments and so on that require attention; stratifying different sorts of comments into different sections seems much more sensible, extendable, and flexable, IMHO.

James F. 07:08 22 Jul 2003 (UTC)

I propose a simple solution: First, move this page to wikipedia:peer review. It's a cool name, and it'll annoy our critics who claim that Wikipedia doesn't have peer review.

wikipedia:peer review is for saying "Hey, I wrote this cool entry (or set of entries) on X - what do you folks think?" - great for newbies and folks like that. wikipedia:village pump is for everything else. Martin 12:38, 3 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Sounds good to me -- especially the 'annoying our doubters' part :-).

James F. 13:38, 3 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Done and done. Though, I am not sure why this talk page didn't get moved along with it... I swear I checked the "move talk page too" box. Good to see someone besides me finally using this page! :-) -- Wapcaplet 18:14, 3 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Fixed. I should add something to wikipedia:move. Martin 19:34, 3 Sep 2003 (UTC)

I agree completely with Wapcaplet suggestion. It's a very nice way of reducing Village Pump size and foccusing atention on this special kind of request. In fact, this page appeared just in time! I already posted a proposal for wiki peer demoliting. I also like the idea of the peer review page. Muriel Gottrop 13:47, 3 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Moved from Wikipedia:Village pump/March 2003 archive 3 on Thursday, September 15th, 02003.

Is there an "official" way of requesting feedback on an article (Nickel and Dimed)? Should I appeal to individual users, at the risk of annoying them, or is feedback subtly given through edits? Should I leave a message on the talk page and hope for a response or should I just leave a comment at the village pump :)? If feedback is rarely given (I would venture due to the ever-changing nature of articles), would someone mind making an exception and looking over the entry? I'm asking for two reasons, development in my writing (I'm a senior in high school) and for future reference as I would like to add similar entries on other books in my collection (after a quick reread of course :)). Thanks. -- Notheruser 03:16 Mar 19, 2003 (UTC)

There's no official way as far as I know. If you're aware of a specific problem with the article you can use Wikipedia:Pages needing attention, but that's not really appropriate in this case. My advice would be to ask your English teacher to review the article for you. Teachers are usually overjoyed when their students do extra work, and if you frame the question right, you'll probably get a lengthy response. Print out a hard copy. I guess your other option is one of the ones you suggested -- risk annoyance and suck up to a random contributor on their talk page. -- Tim Starling 05:08 Mar 20, 2003 (UTC)

Thanks for the response. I think I'll try a teacher rather than risk annoying a user. I don't want to step on anybody's toes (not in my first month here, maybe later :) ) -- Notheruser 06:31 Mar 20, 2003 (UTC)

General feed back for any article from Template:Two16:

if you understand NPOV you won't go too far

Proposed Guideline

1. If you are listing a newly created page, leave a comment on the user talk page of the contributor so that he can participate in the discussion or atleast see that the page is being discussed.

Hemanshu 09:24, 2 Jan 2004 (UTC)

This page is likely to get very long. I suggest a list format for this page and the actual discussion to take place at the Talk page of the article. So 2 links here... to the article and to its talk page.

Hemanshu 09:26, 2 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Your proposal is actually part of the policy of this page, but many people (including me) have not been following it, either through ignorance or negligence. -Smack 22:10, 5 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Yep, there's a good reason I made up those original policies :-) Anyway, I've moved some of the lengthier stuff to the appropriate discussion areas; this page seems to be popular enough now that it will need periodic cleaning and archiving, just like the Village Pump. -- Wapcaplet 23:07, 5 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Good point. I've added it to the list of maintenance tasks. Angela. 13:11, Jan 11, 2004 (UTC)

The green message surrounded by the red dotted border is rather lurid and detracts from the page, IMO. Any objects if the message is demoted to a mere bold - a la the top of VfD? Pete/Pcb21 (talk) 10:01, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Getting attention on the msg is more important that esthetics. Consider changing it if and when people demonstrate awareness of how to use the page. --Jerzy 08:09, 2004 Feb 6 (UTC)

I couldn't stand the green any longer. Let's see how people use the page, which doesn't grow particularly quickly anyway. Pete/Pcb21 (talk) 19:55, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I had an idea to encourage more people to particpate, and have quicker turnover. What if we ask that people give one or two peer reviews to others before listing a page of their own for review? Nothing that needs to be enforced heavily or create more bureaucracy, just a different application of w:WikiLove.

You'd just add another bullet point to your request for review, mentioning the articles you had commented on, to help motivate others to return the favor.

Thoughts? Catherine 19:44, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)

That could work, provided people remember ones that they've given feedback on in the past. It may be best if it's strictly voluntary and informal. Perhaps just a simple suggestion towards the top of the page to "please consider giving some feedback on existing requests before posting a request of your own." I think I'll do that right now, in fact... -- Wapcaplet 20:06, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Is there a policy regarding cleaning up the Peer Review page? The removal sections says posts can be removed "after they've been here a while." How long is "a while"? The page is getting lengthy and there's stuff dating to September. --zandperl 18:46, 20 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Good point, though I know some of this stuff is still here because the desired feedback has not been received yet. Perhaps it'd be a good idea to check with the person who posted something before removing it from this page. An archive is probably not necessary, since past requests aren't likely to be of much interest. -- Wapcaplet 00:24, 21 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I've left messages for the posters of several of the oldest (pre-December) requests on their talk pages, asking them to come by and remove old requests if they have enough feedback. I think I'll make some alterations to the "Using this page" section for future cleanup, since the process of cleaning this page is going to be somewhat different than it is for others. -- Wapcaplet 23:29, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)

What's the difference between this and Wikipedia:Pages needing attention? --zandperl 14:23, 4 Apr 2004 (UTC)

My impression was that Pages needing attention is a place to list articles you find that need help whilst Peer review is for your own articles when you want feedback. Angela. 20:49, Apr 5, 2004 (UTC)

Thanks, look like it's been cleared up a bit in the two pages' headers. I'll see if I can't make it even more obvious.  :) --zandperl 23:30, 15 Apr 2004 (UTC)

The list of requests for peer review is rather long, and visitors may not take the time to read the full list to find an article they can contribute to. A classification of those requests (using sub-heading) would greatly help. Why not use the list of topics on the wikipedia main page as the classification principle ? (I'm not directly interested to update the page myself, but I guess anybody could; an "Other" category would capture all the requests that are not classified yet). Pcarbonn 20:48, 11 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I have reviewed the Removing requests from this list policy, and I find it too weak: it fails when the requestor has left the wikipedia community (which I hope does not happen often...). As a result, the list of requests starts with what seems like dead requests, not an engaging thing for potential reviewers (like me) (on top of that, the list is very long, see topic above).

So, we would need a way to detect dead requests. I think that only a time limit would do it. It could work like this:

• any entry without a time stamp would be moved to the "dead request" area, with the time stamp of today
• anybody could move an entry older than the stated time limit to the "dead request" section
• the requestor would have to repost his entry to extend the time limit (he can do so before it is moved out, of course)

The advantage is that a reviewer would have some kind of assurance that the requestor is still listening...

Do you agree that there are some dead requests ? How should they be handled ? Do you agree that there should be a time limit ? What should it be ? One month ? Do you see a problem if I change the description of the peer review process accordingly ? Pcarbonn 21:00, 13 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I've been scolded for not properly formatting my entry on this page, and I have a problem with that because:

• The current entries are formatted in different ways
• Virtually none of them conform to what it says at the top of the page:
  • It says to add a topic like this: "== [[Topic]] ===". When I did this (though without the extra equals sign), my entry got converted to a different format ("== Topic ==" then "[[Item:Topic]] - [[Talk:Topic]]"
  • There is no mention of the practice of using the terms "Item:", "Discussion on:", "Description:", but these are (inconsistently) applied.

etc.

— Chameleon Main/Talk/Images 20:35, 27 Jul 2004 (UTC)

One of the big problems with this page is that it looks dead. I suggest putting new entries at top and have the discussion here instead of the article's talk page (the talk will be archived there, though). I'll do this myself in a few days if nobody objects. If there are objections, then we will have to form a consensus on what to do. --00:29, 3 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I support this idea. It would also be good to mention that it's the responsibility of the person who lists the page to transfer any discussion to the Talk: page upon delisting. — Matt 00:38, 3 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I would support that, the FAC process is much more engaging and interesting. Peer review the way it is now never seems to gather much attention for each article. - Taxman 12:19, Aug 3, 2004 (UTC)

Definitely support! Every time I use peer review, *nothing* happens. This page is nearly worthless, and next to that, it's not even as well known or publicised as other pages. Johnleemk | Talk 12:01, 4 Aug 2004 (UTC)