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:I was able to read the entire AMG bio without logging in, and in any case registration is free. We cannot dismiss a reputable source such as the AMG merely based on the claims of an anonymous editor. [[User:Gamaliel|Gamaliel]] 19:02, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
:I was able to read the entire AMG bio without logging in, and in any case registration is free. We cannot dismiss a reputable source such as the AMG merely based on the claims of an anonymous editor. [[User:Gamaliel|Gamaliel]] 19:02, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

I certainly don't want to disrespect Dennis Brown or cause distress to his family and friends. The distress in this case is a direct result of cocaine and I honestly believe bringing it out into the opening will maybe sstop young (and not so young) people of today not get hooked into the same path. Crack cocaine is a really miserable drug which likely played a leading factor in his death as it does in those of all heavy crack users who die prematurely. In this case crack destroyed a great talent and I firmly believe such a tragedy deserves to be documented in this encyclopedia, [[User:SqueakBox|SqueakBox]] 01:34, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

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1. The text of this article categorically states that Dennis Brown was a crack addict. I'm not sure that this can be substantiated with supporting evidence. If not then I feel this damaging sentence should be removed.

2. There is an external link titled 'Possible Crack use and Aids rumours' that links to a page from UA Journal. Within the page Joshua Blood is quoted as stating that "Brown actually died of AIDS-related pneumonia". Again I don't believe that this has ever been proven. I recall reading at the time that Dennis Brown's cause of death was 'respiratory failure'. I did read that there was to be a post-mortem to ascertain Brown's cause of death, but if there was such a post-mortem I don't think the results have been made public. Again, Joshua Blood's comment can only be taken as 'rumour' without any supporting evidence. In addition all four links from the UA Journal page are broken links. For these reasons I believe that this unreliable and unsubstantiated external link should be removed.

3. Lastly, I'm a little curious as to why individuals posting on this article seem so determined to paint Dennis Brown as a drug addict. Dennis Brown enriched the lives of literally millions of people around the world. If he did indeed succumb to the scourge of Cocaine that swept Jamaica in the 80's I can see no benefit in mentioning that here. Why can't he be remembered with respect and thanks for the massively positive contribution that he made ?

His brother Trevor Clarke said the following about his brother; "I just give Jah thanks and praise for Dennis’ life and what he has contributed to the world through the root of music, regardless of the rumors out there about him, he has done a lot. He has paid his dues. You want to know the true Dennis? Listen to his lyrics. He was singing from the heart" (The Beat, Volume 18, #5/6).

RIP Dennis Brown.

--85.210.57.59 14:13, 9 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Additionally I think that the 'Cocaine Usage' external link is also completely without proven foundation and should be removed. In this link we have somebody called John Darnielle (who I've never heard of) from a group called The Mountain Goats (who I've never heard of) being asked why he had written 'A Song for Dennis Brown'. He replies that he had read about Dennis's death and alleged drug usage, particularly in the last two years of his life. When asked if he had ever met Dennis predictably he replies 'No'. So here we have somebody commenting about Dennis's alleged drug use who has never met him, and yet his words are linked to from this page as if they are 100% accurate and reliable. As this link only contains the opinions of an individual without any shred of evidence to support them, then I think this is best described as 'rumour' and as such should be removed from this page. Again I can't understand why individuals here are surfing the net researching evidence of Dennis's alleged drug taking, and then presenting such completely unproven accounts as evidence of it. As I asked before, what can possibly be gained from attempting to damage the reputation of Dennis Brown ?

Respect to Dennis Brown. RIP DEB.

--85.210.43.214 18:16, 9 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The All Music Guide, which I think we can all agree is a fairly reputable source, flatly states he used cocaine: "Perhaps it was to maintain this output that Brown first started using cocaine. Addiction eventually followed, and with it inevitable bodily ravages. Still, few expected it to end in his death. But on July 1, 1999, the unconscious singer was rushed to a Kingston hospital with a collapsed lung. This is not usually a fatal condition, but Brown was so weakened from drug use that he expired on the table." [1] Gamaliel 18:30, 9 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

In this case there can be no doubt that wikipedia have not got it wrong, and it is abundantly sourced elsewhere too. Dennis Brown sadly is not a living person any more as if he were it would be a much more sensitive case, SqueakBox 18:35, 9 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding the UA Journal link, I am not aware of any evidence in the public domain to support Joshua B's claim that Dennis Brown died of 'AIDS related pneumonia'. By linking to this source Wikipedia is merely supporting a 'rumour' and not a fact. Consequently Wikipedia has got it wrong in this case and the link should be removed.

The fact that Dennis Brown is no longer alive does not prevent this being a sensitive case. I'm still at a loss to understand why you feel the need to post links that can only damage Dennis Brown's reputation. Have you considered the feelings of his family and friends ?

--85.210.43.214 18:57, 9 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

As for the All Music Guide being 100% reliable, I'm not sure I can agree with you on that. I did try and look at their entry on Dennis Brown but that is only possible by enrolling. Presumably articles in All Music Guide are written by (mostly) independent writers who I'm quite sure are capable of making mistakes. The documentation of Reggae music is littered with factual errors.

--85.210.43.214 18:57, 9 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I was able to read the entire AMG bio without logging in, and in any case registration is free. We cannot dismiss a reputable source such as the AMG merely based on the claims of an anonymous editor. Gamaliel 19:02, 9 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I certainly don't want to disrespect Dennis Brown or cause distress to his family and friends. The distress in this case is a direct result of cocaine and I honestly believe bringing it out into the opening will maybe sstop young (and not so young) people of today not get hooked into the same path. Crack cocaine is a really miserable drug which likely played a leading factor in his death as it does in those of all heavy crack users who die prematurely. In this case crack destroyed a great talent and I firmly believe such a tragedy deserves to be documented in this encyclopedia, SqueakBox 01:34, 10 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]