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Statement of the dispute

Desired outcome

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  1. DIREKTOR will reform the conduct outlined in this RfC.
  2. DIREKTOR will agree to make a significant effort to engage other editors in a civil manner.
  3. DIREKTOR will agree to make a greater effort to comment on the content, not the contributor, and to refrain from references to ethnicity or nationality of editor or authors of sources.
  4. DIREKTOR will agree to refrain from repetitive arguments and be more concise on talk pages.
  5. DIREKTOR will agree to state his views concisely in discussions of article content, even if he disagrees with the outcome of discussions.
  6. DIREKTOR will limit his work on articles related to the Balkans, broadly construed, to WP:1RR for the next three (?) months.
  7. DIREKTOR will expand his work on article to areas beyond those related to the Balkans, broadly construed, for a minimum period of three(?) months.
  8. DIREKTOR will accept a mentor to help guide his conduct.

Description

DIREKTOR has a long history of editing in articles related to the Balkans, and much of his work has been considered valuable to the community. That being said, DIRKETOR is often aggressive in discussions, accusing others of edit warring, POV pushing, and of coordinated efforts to oppose him, which amount to accusations of meat puppetry. DIREKTOR also tend to tenditiousness in discussions, producing walls of text and repetitive arguments which have the effect of wearing editors with whom he disagrees down and has driven some editors off. He walks very close to 3RR on a regular basis, even though the most of the articles which he edits are covered under ARBMAC and thus subject to a higher level of restriction(?). DIREKTOR often attributes the positions of other editors to an ethnic or nationalistic bias. He also tends to adopt a dictatorial attitude in discussions, asserting what he will and will not accept, and threatens to report other editors with whom he disagrees. While his actions do not generally cross the bright lines established in 3RR and NPA, the overall effect of DIRKETOR's actions create a corrosive atmosphere and violates the spirit of civility and good faith.

Evidence of disputed behavior

Repeated accusations that editors with whom he disagrees are engaged in coordinated edit warring or POV pushing in concert

This has be a theme of DIREKTOR's comments since the latter phases of the formal mediation related to the Mihailovic/Chetniks article. DIREKTOR apparently believes that basically everyone involved in the mediation, even the mediator, Sunray, gamed the system, cooperated to push a POV with which he disagreed, and engaged in coordinated edit warring.

  1. Accusation that Sunray contrived a ploy to block his desired edits.
  2. Accusation at AN/I that Nuujinn and FkpCascais engaged in coordinated POV pushing and section blanking.
  3. A similar accusation in the edit summary as made on December 11, after a number of editors agreed to a provisional title the day before.
  4. Accusations that Sunray engaged in canvassing, and that he and Nuujinn figured out a way to push a pro-Serbian POV in drafts composed by Nuujinn (although I, Nuujinn would point out that the drafts were in place for relatively long periods of time and open to comments and edits by other editors).
  5. A fairly recent accusation of tag team edit warring by Nuujinn and FkpCaisais

Assertions that editors are motivated by ethnic or nationalistic bias

DIREKTOR tends to argue that editors with whom he disagrees are motivation by ethnic or nationalistic bias. While bias is to be expected, as none of us are completely neutral, continuous insinuations or accusation of ethnic or nationalistic bias are corrosive to cooperative editing and suggest a battleground mentality.

  1. Frames discussion at Draza Mihailovic in terms of Serbian editors being in the majority
  2. DIREKTOR asserts he is the only editor on the "non-Serbian" side of the debate as the others are on vacation
  3. Describes edits he disagrees with as being done by "pro-Chetnik users".
  4. And again, editors with whom he disagrees are "pro-Chetnik"
  5. Seriously, what is wrong with you people? Have a look at the Intelligent design or Occupy Wall Street articles, just for starters, and get off your high horse. According to Gallup, 40% of Americans believe they were magically poofed into existence. Seems to me you could probably use a few more Teslas over there.
  6. Characterizes an edit as "pro-ustaše nonsense.

Assertions which are arguably personal attacks

  1. An accusation that JeanJaquesGeorges is not equipped to write an article and doesn't understand Yugoslavia.

Threats to report editors and overuse of AN/I

DIREKTOR is a visitor at AN/I. Many of the reports made by him or made about him are clearly justifiable, but many seem ill-advised and are largely or completely ignored by admins. This begs the questions as to whether his actions make DIREKTOR a sort of lightning rod for disputes, and whether or not he is misusing AN/I to achieve particular versions of articles. DIREKTOR regularly threatens to report other editors, a tactic which exhibits a battle ground mentality.

  1. Refusal to accept a section version with which he disagrees.


Tenditious editing

A good example of this aspect of DIREKTOR's editing style was .

  1. DIREKTOR asserts that he will continue to push his position and 'keep bringing it up until the facts cease to be censored by "popular vote"'.


Applicable policies and guidelines

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  1. WP:CIVIL
  2. WP:OWN
  3. WP:NPA
  4. WP:DISRUPT
  5. WP:GAME
  6. WP:BATTLE
  7. WP:SPA
  8. WP:MEAT

Applicable essays

  1. WP:PUSH
  2. Wikipedia:TEDIOUS

Evidence of trying to resolve the dispute

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  1. DIREKTOR initially participated in [formal mediation] in regard to Draža Mihailović and Chetniks, but [withdrew on April 27, 2011]. During that time and after, DIREKTOR received quite a bit of guidance in regard to his actions, from Fainites 1, 2 and Sunray 1, https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DIREKTOR&diff=443071897&oldid=442512521 2], 3.
  2. DIRKETOR was topic banned by Fainites. This was later overturned on the basis that Fainites was not uninvolved by ARBCOM, but that decision left open the option of another admin instituting a ban, and [https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive94#Suggestion_For_Closing WGFinley indicated that some kind of ban was like justified, and made the suggestion "DIREKTOR is cautioned that while this ban may have been improper it wasn't necessarily unjustified, he needs to avoid tendentious editing especially in the WP:ARBMAC space."
  3. DIREKTOR has receive advice on conflicts with Timbouctou [1].

Evidence of failing to resolve the dispute

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