The way this is written currently makes it sound like $30,000 is all student orgs get in funding. Since it is more like $700,000 from the JFC this might want to be changed.

I removed the following sentence from the article introduction. It is an unsubstantiated claim, and I have been unable to repudiate it from my research. I am highly suspicious of this claim, since it frankly sounds like gossip. Please readd this information only with reputable references noted. -- Creidieki 21:35, 25 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

• It is reported that the university has, on multiple occasions, turned down offers to join the Ivy League.

It is unsubstantiated gossip. Rutgers turned down an invitation. Rutgers, Army, and Navy were once rivals with the Ivy League schools before the conference was formalized. Also, CMU is a Division III school; it would have to file an application to jump to Division I, go through a probationary period and evaluations with the NCAA before it can join the Ivy League.

Rutgers never got an invitation either, obviously. It's a public mega-university that is not remotely academically compatible with the Ivy League. Omnibus 05:27, 27 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Rutgers wasn't always a large state school. It was founded as the sister school of Columbia (Queen's and King's colleges, respectively) and remained a small private school up until the 1940s. Still has athletic rivalries with Princeton and Columbia in soccer, field hockey and some other sports. But financially, it was always in the shadow of the Ivies.

Is she for real? On September 22, 2005, a History and Policy student named Stephanie appeared on the "Jaywalking All-Stars" segment of The Tonight Show with Jay Leno. She's scheduled to appear again on September 23, 2005. Also on TV, Carnegie Mellon junior ECE major Kermin Elliott Fleming won the 2004 Jeopardy College Championship.

• Kermin's final wager was 1337. And he's from Kentucky. And he lives in Webster Hall. I only write this because I feel important, since my friend is his roommate.

Various authors, activists, scholars, politicians, business leaders, and other notable people have given speeches at Carnegie Mellon over the years. Among them:

• Jeffrey Katzenberg, CEO of DreamWorks Animation SKG - October 6, 2005
• Michael Moore - October 26, 2004
• Dr. Condoleezza Rice - October 21, 2004
• Sen. John Kerry, 2004 presidential campaign - October 20, 2004
• Bill Gates - February 25, 2004
• Kevin Mitnick - March 18, 2003
• Dr. Howard Zinn - September 23, 2002
• Tom Ridge, Commencement Speech - May 19, 2002
• Robert Carhart Merton, Nobel Prize recipient - September 6, 2001
• Al Gore, 2000 presidential campaign - October 27, 2000
• Jerry Springer, spoke about politics - October 26, 2000
• Ralph Nader, 2000 presidential campaign - September 26, 2000
• Jane Goodall - April 4, 2000

"The campus was the first educational institution in the world to be completely covered by a wireless network."

Probably true, but not proven. Buena Vista University and Drexel University claim to be the first completely wireless campuses. Carnegie Mellon does not make this claim. Buena Vista, Drexel, and CMU completed campus-wide coverage by the fall of 2000. However, Drexel did not make their dormitories accessible before making their claim. So CMU most likely was ahead of Drexel despite Drexel's (arguably misleading) claim. CMU's Wireless Andrew covered its campus by the time it completed a major upgrade in August 2000. Initial research and experimentation by CMU began in 1994, even before WiFi standards were developed.

Some elementary schools, high schools, private schools, etc. had complete wireless networks before Carnegie Mellon did. (Look at the wording of the original statement. It should mention "post-secondary.")

Do we really want to put the Pittsburgh Universities template at the bottom of the the Carnegie Mellon page? It's an eyesore, contributes no information for people interested in reading about Carnegie Mellon, and does not appear on any other non-Pittsburgh major university pages I've visisted. --BenjaminTsai 20:34, 26 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I think it looks fairly ridiculous. Omnibus 05:23, 27 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I developed the Pittsburgh Universities box . . . if you wish to submit proposals for its streamlining I'm all for it, possibly just majors to majors, smallers to smallers, but I feel that the Pittsburgh box is much more neccessary then the "conference" box . . . Tartans deal more with the city of Pittsburgh and Pitt, Duquesne, and Carlow students then they do with "conference" schools. The Pittsburgh box should be visible, if not I see no need for a conference box, Carnegie Mellon is not a "sports" school on the national scene it adds nothing to people trying to read about Carnegie Mellon. Knowing that Pittsburgh has a wealth of university students and the cooperative nature between Pitt and CMU is much more relevant then a sports conference. Ideas about how to better streamline the box are welcomed but the box is much much more relevant then linking to a school that competes in lacrosse with the Tartans. Hholt01 06:00, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The issue is that the template is huge, and the yellow is really glaring. Plus, Carnegie Mellon is a national university - it relates more to MIT more than Duff's Business Institute. I argue that the Carnegie Mellon article is more a destination article than one would surf through looking at Pittsburgh colleges. If we want to say Carnegie Mellon works with Pitt and Duquesne, that should be a feature in the article, instead of adding a huge Pittsburgh Universities box at the bottom --Matt 20:19, 7 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I recently readded it (without checking if such a discussion existed), because I found such information useful. I found it in University of Pittsburgh, when I was looking at other schools in Pittsburgh, and I would not have had to look at all (through Pittsburgh etc.) it had been here originally. But yes, the colour could be changed. -- Rmrfstar 20:05, 20 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Check out template:Colleges and universities in metropolitan Boston. I think it does a good job with putting 25 Universities in a small box while being smaller and more in line with the color themes of Wikipedia. I'd be alright with a box like that for major & minor schools in Pittsburgh. --Matt 06:52, 21 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Querying "Association of Independent Technological Universities" site:cmu.edu on Google gives no results - it seems like such a minor thing that it doesn't seem important in Carnegie Mellon's article. I move to remove it remove it - what do others think? (Actually, searching around more for this, I get almost no information on this organization. I don't think it's worth including.) --Matt 06:26, 21 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The official Carnegie Mellon identity page says "From the informal mascot, the Scottie dog". I would say this should be the source - though in other places, The Tartan is listed - but nothing in such an official or vetted place. I say we leave it as Scottie Dog --Matt 04:36, 20 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I disgree on this one, I wish I had a better link but Carnegie Mellon's Qatar admissions materials refers to the mascot as the Tartan. Given how often I've heard that during my years, I'm going to go with it. Bugg42 00:43, 20 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

From The Word (Student Affairs' guide book to student life) "The squad also includes the Scottie Dog, Carnegie Mellon’s mascot." --Matt 01:37, 20 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The Tartan "Snapshots from the slopes. The ski season turned out to be challenging and unpredictable, highlighted by an appearance of the Tartans’ mascot, the Scottie Dog." (Page 11)

The Carnegie Pulse " Carnegie Mellon's mascot, the Scottie Dog, put in his two cents by grabbing a pen and paper: "

There's a difference between the team name and the mascot sometimes - and this is one of those times. --Matt 15:58, 20 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There is a new west coast campus in Mountain View, CA. Is anyone planning on adding a section for this? I think at least a link should be added to their website: link

There's a mention of the Silicon Valley campus with a link to Carnegie Mellon University (West) in the article - maybe a section would be appropriate, but it is mentioned, and a stub exists. I think both should be expanded. --Matt 06:29, 21 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have removed a list of subtrivial trivia such as "In a 1999 episode (Lovers' Walk, Season 3, Episode 8) of Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Joyce (Buffy's mother) says to Buffy, Carnegie Mellon has a wonderful design curriculum." and "In The West Wing episode "Eppur Si Muove" (Season Five), Ellie Bartlet's diplomas can be found on a wall; the bottom one is a B.S. from Carnegie Mellon." in an article about a university. To me that seems like the sort of outrageous stuff someone would make up to parody Wikipedia. Such inclusions in serious articles are completely and totally inappropriate, and they reduces the credibility of the project overall. Build a Carnegie Mellon University in popular culture if you must, but don't put material like that in the article. --Gmaxwell 18:43, 5 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• I don't really care enough to revert any more, but I'd like to state for the record that I disagree with you. I ask that you consider the possibility that the Wikipedia community might not agree with you in all cases on what Wikipedia is or is not, especially given that the section you object to has been in the article for a year and a half, and you're the only person (as far as I've seen) who has seen fit to try to remove it in that time (and were immediately reverted by two diffferent people, one being me). I can cite several other examples of articles (two on prominent universities and one other) with "in fiction" sections, but frankly I'm hesitant to give you the opportunity to go remove those. User:Glenn Willen (Talk) 16:22, 8 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have reinserted the references in popular culture. They reflect the outside world's portrayal of Carnegie Mellon and its reputation, thus inclusion is justified. A few items have been deleted. I deleted the manga reference because many can argue that manga is not "popular" (as in "popular culture"). I deleted the Chasing Amy reference because it was not included in the final cut of the film. Hopefully others will view this as a fair compromise. Any further deletions of this section may result in a request for administrative review. I assert that the section is verifiable and worthy of inclusion. - Slo-mo 23:20, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
    • Moved to its own article. Case closed. --Matt 23:33, 9 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think the trivia people are driving at the root issue: the article is too big, and every organization with someone who knows how to edit wikipedia has an entry on the main page. I spent a very involved 4 years at Carnegie Mellon and I haven't heard of the debate team or Awareness of Roots in Chinese Culture club.

I believe that the article should be cleaned up. Organizations should go in their own article. I don't think misc.market needs that much detail. Movies filmed at Carnegie Mellon should be in its own category or its own article.

I'll try and clean it up this weekend if I can, but the article is in serious need of help. --Matt 18:32, 8 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I am pretty sure the student organizations should be either heavily gutted, or split into its own article. I'm not convinced that the debate team, society of hispanic engineers, or CMU Originals are "notable" student organizations.

I also don't think that cmu.misc.market is appropriately labeled as a 'tradition' up there with Buggy, Booth, etc.

Thoughts? --Matt 16:24, 11 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You are right. The student organizations overwhelms the article and detracts from the overall quality. I gave it its own page with a prominent link.