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It's valid for the trivia section. Senator Joseph Lieberman does bear what many feel to be an incredible resemblence to the young Senator (and later Emperor) Palpatine from Star Wars. I challenge anyone reading this to look it up for themselves and deny it. I would appreciate it if certain Wikipedia members would stop constantly deleting it.
It's valid for the trivia section. Senator Joseph Lieberman does bear what many feel to be an incredible resemblence to the young Senator (and later Emperor) Palpatine from Star Wars. I challenge anyone reading this to look it up for themselves and deny it. I would appreciate it if certain Wikipedia members would stop constantly deleting it.

== Lieberman's religious identification ==

<i>Lieberman is noted for being an observant Jew, and attends an Orthodox synagogue, though he is careful not to describe himself as "Orthodox,"[4] and does not wear a yarmulke in public.</i>

As an Orthodox Jew myself, I consider the above statement biased and misleading for a number of reasons. First of all, it is perfectly valid and accepted for an Orthodox Jew not to wear a yarmulke to his job if it will interfere (though in practice few Orthodox Jews today exercise this leniency). For a more complete explanation, go to the following link:

http://ohr.edu/ask/ask286.htm#Q1

Second, a lot of people have misinterpreted the Larry King interview where Lieberman said he prefers to identify as "observant" rather than "Orthodox." Lieberman was not placing himself outside of the community commonly referred to as "Orthodox"; he was simply preferring one label to another. Orthodox Jews did not invent the word "Orthodox"; as the Wikipedia article on Orthodox Judaism correctly observes, the term was applied to them by the Reform in the nineteenth century, and it stuck. To this day, there are many Orthodox Jews who prefer to call themselves "observant." In fact, the most frequent term that Orthodox Jews use amongst themselves is the Yiddish term <i>frum</i>, which simply means "pious."

In a much less-quoted interview from a week after the one with Larry King, Lieberman began a sentence with the words "The fact that I'm Orthodox...." You can see for yourself at the following website:

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/politics/july-dec00/lieberman_8-11.html

I think this should settle the question about Lieberman's self-identification.

Revision as of 13:07, 30 January 2006

Talk, mostly prior to 2005

Most of the inital text from this page is from http://lieberman.senate.gov/newsite/biography.cfm?lowsrc=true

For anyone not familiar with American politics and Lieberman himself, the article as it currently reads leaves two questions unanswered:

(1) Which party does Lieberman belong to? democrat of course (Well, you could conclude this from the sentence about the changing majority, but isn't that asking too much?)

(2) When did Lieberman run for vice president?

I don't know enough about the subject, so could someone else please add these essential pieces of information? --KF 17:29 Jan 7, 2003 (UTC)

Joe vs. Joseph

Page move: 64,600 (Joseph Liberman) vs. 86,400 (Joe Liberman) on google. --Jiang

Here in good old Europe Lieberman is always referred to as "Joseph", never as "Joe" (if he is mentioned at all), so it's hard for me to understand the move. --KF 04:34, 4 Aug 2003 (UTC)
Here in the good old US of A, he's always referred to as "Joe". It's the "Bill Clinton" argument -- use the name he's refered by. BTW, could someone expand on the upset victory in his first election? Why was it an upset? Whom was he competing against? RickK 04:53, 4 Aug 2003 (UTC)
In Texas he always seems to be "Joseph Lieberman," but I haven't watched too closely, so I'm not sure. Jdavidb 20:06, 5 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Here in Illinois I've always seen him called "Joseph," likewise most online coverage (at least from the gamer side, he's not our favorite person) seems to refer to him as Joseph. I say we move it to Joseph.--Lord Shitzu 15:23, August 11, 2005 (UTC)

Stance on violent games?

I noticed there wasn't much mention on his highly conservative stance on violence in computer/video-games, should this be worked into the article? 05:38, 5 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Watergate and Weicher?

The Watergate scandal was 14 years before Lieberman was elected to teh Senate and was pretty much forgotten by then. Lieberman's election was made possible in part by the change in the GOP. It is true that Lieberman was seen as the more conservative of the two candidates and many conservative Republicans supported him. William F. Buckley, then editor of National Review (a leading conservative journal), even ran a joke campaign at the time called "Buckley's for Lieberman."

I was a young GOP activist in New York those days. I remember returning the local canvass on election night and when the t.v. said that Weicher had lost, people were actually happy.

I have edited the main page accordingly.

"Jewish American"

The opening words in Lieberman's article are "Jewish-American"? Whoever inserted this epithet should be ashamed. Do we label Kennedy "Irish-American" or Giuliani "Italian-American" (or either of them "Catholic-American")? As I understand it, second or third-generation Americans are spared these qualifiers.

Hes Jewish, hes American, therefore there is nothing wrong with saying "Jewish-American". Although this article has a tad to much on him being Jewish, its not like hes an Orthodox Jew, if he was Orthodox it would be fair to mention it, hes Reform, so hes basically as Jewish as Vladimir Putin.

First of all, Senator Lieberman *is* an Orthodox Jew, and proudly identifies himself as such, as he did during the 2000 presidential campaign. Secondly, Jews in America do not identify themself as "Jewish-Americans", with the possible exception of the most wishy-washy Reform Jewish. I have heard plenty of people use the terms "Jewish person" and "Jewish-American" because they think the very *word* Jew is an insult. The word Jew is not an insult - is is a perfectly valid way to describe someone who was either born Jewish, or has converted to Judaism. Nobody is doing Jews any favors by avoiding the word Jew. So when is the word an insult, I hear you ask? When it's used in obviously derogatory concepts, like as a verb ("he jewed me" connoting avarice) or with a modifying word ("a dirty Jew", "a cheap Jew", etc. etc.). Oversensitive, nervous gentile liberals, relax: it's perfectly alright to call a Jew a Jew.

faith

Lieberman has also faced some conflict from secular members of his own party who have questioned whether his religious values would interfere with his ability to impartially represent people of all (or no) faiths.

Why doesn't anyone ask secularists whether their lack of religious views would interfere with their ability to impartially represent religious people?

 Answer: They do. Constantly.

Photo

Who changed his photo back to the older version? I believe to best represent him, one should use the most recent official picture.

"Lieberal"

I deleted the following sentence:

Satirical writer Robert Lanham coined Lieberal, based on Lieberman's name and beliefs, as a term for conservative Democrats.

I've never heard of Lanham or "lieberal" (Lanham's Wikipedia entry looks suspiciously like a vanity entry, see 69.203.207.56 contributions), and a Google search shows that this is not a common term by any stretch of the imagination. -- FRCP11 14:55, 2 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Gang of 14

I really don't get why the second paragraph in this section is there. It doesn't seem to fit to me and it is redundant from the introduction of the article.Elipongo 02:51, 5 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

"Joementum" article

I suggest we merge the Joementum article in to this article - considering it doesn't really give enough information to warrent it's own page on Wikipedia. I even suggest we cut it down to an external link in the presidential campaign category. --Toddbloom7 13:19, 23 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

whoa, no so fast Todd. Joementum is here to say if I do say so myself. --Ryan Utt 02:43, 24 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Lieberman resemblence to Senator Palpatine

It's valid for the trivia section. Senator Joseph Lieberman does bear what many feel to be an incredible resemblence to the young Senator (and later Emperor) Palpatine from Star Wars. I challenge anyone reading this to look it up for themselves and deny it. I would appreciate it if certain Wikipedia members would stop constantly deleting it.

Lieberman's religious identification

Lieberman is noted for being an observant Jew, and attends an Orthodox synagogue, though he is careful not to describe himself as "Orthodox,"[4] and does not wear a yarmulke in public.

As an Orthodox Jew myself, I consider the above statement biased and misleading for a number of reasons. First of all, it is perfectly valid and accepted for an Orthodox Jew not to wear a yarmulke to his job if it will interfere (though in practice few Orthodox Jews today exercise this leniency). For a more complete explanation, go to the following link:

http://ohr.edu/ask/ask286.htm#Q1

Second, a lot of people have misinterpreted the Larry King interview where Lieberman said he prefers to identify as "observant" rather than "Orthodox." Lieberman was not placing himself outside of the community commonly referred to as "Orthodox"; he was simply preferring one label to another. Orthodox Jews did not invent the word "Orthodox"; as the Wikipedia article on Orthodox Judaism correctly observes, the term was applied to them by the Reform in the nineteenth century, and it stuck. To this day, there are many Orthodox Jews who prefer to call themselves "observant." In fact, the most frequent term that Orthodox Jews use amongst themselves is the Yiddish term frum, which simply means "pious."

In a much less-quoted interview from a week after the one with Larry King, Lieberman began a sentence with the words "The fact that I'm Orthodox...." You can see for yourself at the following website:

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/politics/july-dec00/lieberman_8-11.html

I think this should settle the question about Lieberman's self-identification.