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Is there any evidence Cameron was a member? It seems to be the sort of thing that people allude to frequently but isn't sourced... MarkRTaylor 02:53, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know if there's an official list of members or anything that would constitute a primary source, but it's been very well covered in reputable news outlets. There is also, of course, the famous photo of Cameron with fellow members of the club, which was published in the Mail and later "banned" from publication by the copyright holders Gillman and Soame (I don't think they ever gave permission for its publication in the first place). You could probably still find the photo somewhere on the web, though of course it couldn't be added to Wikipedia. There's a story about the photo episode on the BBC News site. Casper Gutman 18:31, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Since the club has become more prominent recently - on the back of Cameron and Johnson's rises - the newspapers have given it increasing attention. Stories of club's activities are retold with an eye to a more sensational story that out of regard for accuracy.

Contributors should be aware that many of these news reports present stories and facts which can not be pinned down to anything concrete. The lack of a date, or of a supporting contemporary journalistic or biographical mention make many of these stories less than reliable.

I write this having seen that a story is constantly recirculated in the press about the Bullingdon having smashed a Stradivarius violin. This was most recently reported on 9 May 2008 in the Guardian."On one occasion the Bullingdon hired a string band to play at a garden party and ended up smashing up all the instruments, including a Stradivarius." I cannot trace this story back beyond an article from the Oxford Student from 12 Jan 2005, in which an anonymous member of the club is said to be the source.

I doubt the story of Stad; because no year is given for the incident; because garden parties seem never to have formed part of the Bullingdon's activities; because it seems unlikely that a Strad would be played in a 'string band' at a university garden party; because one searches in vain for a reference to what would certainly have been a newsworthy incident (given the cost and cultural significance of a Strad) in any of the literature which covers the other excesses of the Bullingdon; because it seems unlikely that some drunk young men would have been able to smash all the instrument of the sober men in the 'band' without a serious fight breaking out - by all account the Bullingdon stay away from fighting with members outside the club.

For those who wish to add stories to this article, I would suggest that they only do so if they can pin down some concrete date or contemporary report. Pppben 10:49, 12 May 2007

Yes, I expect you are right, having had a look at the Stradivarius article I think we would have heard more about this incident if it happened. Even a cheaper Stradivarius costs several hundred thousand dollars, so paying compensation for this could stretch even the Bullingdon's resources. PatGallacher (talk) 11:24, 12 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Not impossible that Michael Gove was a member of the Bullingdon, though it seems unlikely, - but the cited James Delingpole article doesn't say so, only that he, Gove, Boris and David etc., were at Oxford at the same time. Unoquha (talk) 20:20, 21 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well I'm glad you are on the ball, Unoquha. My mistake—the article could certainly be clearer. – Toon 20:32, 21 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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