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Inserted neutrality according to worldview: [1] --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 16:31, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

university is in Israeli occupied territory, therefor the category is correct. Its not pov when its the entire worldview that its occupied. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 21:57, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This article currently says that this college is located in "Golan Heights, Israel". The Golan Heights is not in Israel. I cannot believe that we need to have the same discussion in 20 different places. This college is located in an Israeli settlement in occupied territory, Wikipedia cannot assert a fringe view that this place is in Israel and further assert this fringe view as fact. nableezy - 19:30, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If the local garbagemen, postmen, and policemen are paid by the Israeli government, it's in Israel.--brewcrewer (yada, yada) 19:46, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Entire worldview is that its occupied land and not part of Israel. The United Nations [2] United States [3] European Union[4] United Kingdom[5] Arab League[6] --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 19:53, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Brew, sorry but that is ridiculous. Not even Israel claims the Golan is in Israel. nableezy - 19:56, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You're not going to change reality by editing a wikipedia article. If you dont like the fact that Israel is the governing entity in the Golan Heights, then petition the Syrian government to try to get it back. The fact is if I wake up in the morning and walk out in the street I see traffic signs in Hebrew and I have to follow Israeli traffic laws. So the reality is that I'm in Isreal. --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 19:59, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

brewcrewer, this has been discussed 5 million times. You go to the Golan Heights article, and when you get consensus there that it is a part of Israel, you can ad it in this article. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 20:23, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Uhh, I am not trying to change reality. The reality is that Israel is the occupying force in the Golan. That you would have to follow Israeli laws is irrelevant to where the Golan is. It is nearly undisputed that the Golan is Syrian territory occupied by Israel. The "change in reality" is when certain users insist that Greater Israel has the right to claim anything it pleases. The Golan is not in Israel, countless scholarly sources can be provided that say this incontrovertible fact. nableezy - 20:06, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It has been discussed countless times, yes, but there never was a consensus to change the reality to wiki-reality. The horrible land-hungry Israel with an occupying fetish can be denounced by every single scholar and NGO, but reality is reality. Until a citizen in the Golan wakes up in the morning and has to follow laws of a country that is not Israel, the Golan is in Israel.--brewcrewer (yada, yada) 20:41, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Uhh, multiple noes. We report what the sources say, and the highest quality sources are almost unanimous on this issue, the Golan is Syrian territory occupied by Israel. It is not in Israel. But as you insist on portraying a fringe sized view as fact I will take this to the NPOV noticeboard. nableezy - 20:43, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You keep on repeating yourself, as if you're in some sort of trance. No offense. It's irrelevant whether the majority of nations, scholars, NGO's, Wikipedia editors, insist that Israel is not the rightful governing entity of the Golan. If the garbageman, postman, fireman are paid by the Israeli government, it's in Israel. All this debate about why, who, what, when Israel should give back the land took in a war belongs in the article - Golan Heights. But we can't go around changing the reality of each entity within the Golan because it's a "fringe view that Israel is the rightful governing entity of the Golan." Now I'm going back to play pingpong. I'll give some time for a response that pertains to the actual points that are raised. --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 20:55, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No, what is irrelevant is your personal opinion on what makes a territory a part of a country. What is relevant is the countless sources that say flatly that your personal opinion is incorrect. Sources state, and there is no real dispute about this, that the Golan is Syrian territory occupied by Israel. nableezy - 20:58, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

What counts is the sources, not reality. What counts is the majority of sources, not reality. Anyway, brew, why feed the confused? This reminds me of the claim that an Israeli city means 'city in Israel', Israeli village means 'village in Israel' but Israeli settlement does not mean 'settlement in Israel'. They refuse to accept that the English language is much more complex than their reasoning and that Israeli town means a town built and lived in by Israelis. Tell me, if you fly to Taiwan, are you flying to China? --Shuki (talk) 21:25, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]