Does anyone have a good picture of the stereotypical across-the-Cut view, or Hamerschlag-across-the-Mall?

Hey, I have a decent digital camera. If you can give me direction on what you'd like in a picture (e.g. where to stand, what angle you want), I'll take a few shots for the article. Improv 12:58, 10 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

If you could take a picture of the Fence, that would be awesome. Actually, I could probably do it myself, too, although my camera isn't quite so good. Do you happen to have any Buggy pictures?

I have movies, but no buggy pictures. Argh. I'll try to take a good picture of the fence though. You'd think with all the geeks on wikipedia, there'd be more of us taking pictures of everything in sight... Improv 18:43, 10 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Also, more info (and pictures?) regarding CMU traditions would be nice. --FleaPlus 19:55, 8 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

As the Wikipedia:WikiProject Universities stabilizes, we may want to follow their template more.

Additionally, there's some random facts here which should probably be incorporated: http://www.cmu.edu/enrollment/admission/map/campus.html

Does anyone have a version of the CMU seal which isn't a grainy jpeg?

--FleaPlus 20:57, 9 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Well there's an ok gif in the bottom right corner of the bookstore's website, but I think that's moving in the wrong direction. The official one you've got there now is good enough.

I really like the idea of a common university template, but the preexistance of the "view down the cut" makes the top of the page look crowded. I'm going to take a run at trying to make it look better tomorrow afternoon if nobody beats me to it. --Caliper 06:03, 10 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I agree about the "cut view" image making things look crowded. I think Jiang and I were both simultaneously trying to find a good place to put that image earlier, but to no avail. I won't have time to do any edits before tomorrow, so have at it, and good luck. ;) --FleaPlus 09:07, 10 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, I think it looks a bit better now. I've moved the chart to the top of the page from where it was below the introduction. I know this isn't how it is on other university pages, but CMU's introduction is significantly longer than the others. Putting it below just looked wierd. I also took out the bolded "Carnegie Mellon University" at the top of the chart, since it appeared right beside the bolded "Carnegie Mellon University" at the beginning of the article. Finally, I moved the image of the cut down below the chart. It is no longer beside the reference to it in the "Campus" section of the article, but we can hopefully lengthen that section to bring it down to the image. Leaving the image higher up is ugly because it gets in the way of the chart and the introduction. --Caliper 22:18, 10 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Is CMU really the only university in the world offering bagpiping as a major? I definately remember being told it was the only one in North America, but I'd be surprised if there wasn't a single university in, say, Scotland, that had babpiping majors. --User:Caliper (forgot to sign it)

Whoops! You're probably right -- I've changed it. --FleaPlus 23:36, 11 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Hey folks... Just discovering the joys of Wikipedia and thought I'd chime in with some more information on Carnival. Do we need the subheadings under Midway or do you think we can get rid of them? --Bcordes 15:46, 9 June 2004 (UTC)[reply]

As long as there's so little underneath the headings, you can probably get rid of them. I'm unlinking the headings, and creating a "See also:" at the bottom of each section you've done it to in order to put it more in line with other Wikipedia articles. --Caliper 16:43, 9 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Done, and corrected "Funnelcake" which is evidently two words. Who knew? Somebody should tell APhiO. *grin* --Bcordes 17:53, Jun 9, 2004 (UTC)

What exactly is the "dividing line" between Squirrel Hill and Oakland, anyways? --NeuronExMachina 23:32, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)

According to the city of Pittsburgh website, the dividing line is along Neville Avenue/Boundary Road. In other words, the bridge on Forbes between South Craig Street and Morewood Avenue is half-way into each neighborhood. --147.72.111.58 19:22, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)

The mobot subsection is inexplicably dropped between the subsections on Midway and Buggy, and is also poorly written. (As is the subsection on the Robotics club; I wonder if there's a conection...) --147.72.111.58 19:22, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)

I made some cleanup on Student organizations to clean up the following things about KGB:

• Removed contrary to public opinion, not encyclopedic.
• Removed link to CtFwS, not encyclopedic.
• Redirected link from non-existent Wikipedia entry to actual KGB website. Note that the link is correct, but cmukgb.org appears to be down at the moment. I imagine that this is only temporary.

-- Vesta 22:42, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC)

• • I wouldn't necessarily agree that Capture the Flag with Stuff isn't encyclopedic, but I certainly agree that there isn't currently an article about it. I would be interested to see it go through VfD. -- Creidieki 11:57, 17 Aug 2004 (UTC)

• Update: Buoren recently added an external link to a web site describing Capture the Flag with Stuff, then later removed it, noting this discussion in his edit summary. This discussion related to an internal link to Capture the Flag with Stuff. I replaced the external link, because I think it is appropriate. -- Creidieki 22:58, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I heard that a l33t hacker dude from the movie "The Core" was supposed to be from Carnegie Mellon. He apparently asks for payment in the form of Xena tapes and Pop Tarts. Can anybody confirm this? --NeuronExMachina 21:52, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Anon user, please stop removing notice of the CMU name conflict with Central Michigan. I notice you've also been tweaking their page and the disambig page with a very point of view perspective. Not that I should have to make this argument, but I'm another Carnegie-Mellon person, and it's not cool that we be seen as self-satisfied punks. In any case, it's not good for the encyclopedia to take this stuff away. --Improv 15:04, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Please don't think I'm trying to add fuel to the fire, here, but Carnegie Mellon did in fact lose a trademark court battle with Central Michigan over the use of 'CMU', and as such no longer uses it anywhere in their literature. Not that this has stopped 98% of the student body from calling it CMU anyway. I agree that the link to Central Michigan should stay, and added a note about the court battle to the introduction. --Bcordes 21:47, Oct 11, 2004 (UTC)

This is Carnegie Mellon University's official policy regarding the use of its name:

When referring to Carnegie Mellon in text, use "Carnegie Mellon University" for your first mention. All subsequent mentions should be stated as "Carnegie Mellon. ... NEVER use the acronym "CMU" (or "CM") in printed materials. It is counterproductive to use an acronym that is not recognized by audiences outside the university community. [1]

What do people think about moving the list of notable students, alumni, and faculty to a separate writeup as I've done for Case Western Reserve University (see List of Case Western Reserve University people)? Either way seems to be OK, just thought I'd suggest it, as many other universities are doing the same (Princeton, Harvard, MIT, etc). (forgot to sign at 2005-05-24T1828-0400) - Mark McCartney (talk) 02:02, 2005 May 25 (UTC)

• There's a category showing similar writeups of people at Category:Lists of people by university affiliation. Not quite sure how to link to that. - Mark McCartney (talk) 02:02, 2005 May 25 (UTC)
• Done. Let me know if there are any objections. - Mark McCartney (talk) 18:17, 2005 Jun 15 (UTC)

What is the relationship between this place and the Carnegie Mellon School of Drama? Kappa 04:43, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The Drama school is part of the University. Should link off from the CMU article.

Want to know some juicy and practical info about Carnegie Mellon University and their drama department? I publish guidebooks for over 200 universities in the U.S., here's two quotes from actual students there...

  “I believe it was Playboy who ranked CMU as one of the top ten ugliest campuses, but if you manage to get into the drama department, you’ll find many hotties awaiting your arrival.” 
  “In fact, the school of drama is in the top three of all theater programs in the United States and is also the oldest drama degree-granting program.”

from Italic textCarnegie Mellon University-Off the Record

The way this is written currently makes it sound like $30,000 is all student orgs get in funding. Since it is more like $700,000 from the JFC this might want to be changed.

There's been some revision wars with the entry about the Singapore Students' Association. To address this, is this organization notable enough to include? Personally, I'm of the opinion that it is not. There are hundreds of organizations on campus and I think only the ones with more history and perhaps bigger impact on campus merit an entry. Comments? Dan Granahan 00:10, 25 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I reverted the deletions because they were all done by people without usernames, IIRC. I honestly am not sure about the impact of these groups, but judging by web presence, it seems as though by the criteria to eliminate SSA, Vermillion ought to be eliminated as well - I can't easily tell how many members they have though. I would suggest that these groups be listed without a blurb, or perhaps listed just as an external link. Or, is there a link to a page with a list of student groups? Linking to that page would be helpful. - McCart42 (talk) 16:38, 25 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I removed SSA and Vermillion since they didn't seem notable or historic enough. A separate page with a complete list of organizations seems like the best idea if people don't want their organization left out. Anyone up for making this? I sure don't feel like it. --Dan Granahan 18:44, 25 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

In the introductory paragraph, the article claims that "CMU houses the first computer science school and the first drama school in the nation." Is there any information to substantiate the claim that CMU does house the first computer science school? According to the computer science article, the first CS department in the US was founded at Purdue about 2 years before the formation of the CS department here at CMU, while the "first college entirely devoted to computer science" was founded at Northeastern in 1980, still before when the department was transformed into a "school". --BenjaminTsai 07:03, 19 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

CMU is not the first CS school in the nation.

CMU - department in 1965, school in 1988 - http://www.cs.cmu.edu/about/mission/

Purdue - department in October 1962 - http://www.cs.purdue.edu/history/history.html

Boston U - school in 1982 - http://www.ccs.neu.edu/undergraduate/index.html

I removed the following sentence from the article introduction. It is an unsubstantiated claim, and I have been unable to repudiate it from my research. I am highly suspicious of this claim, since it frankly sounds like gossip. Please readd this information only with reputable references noted. -- Creidieki 21:35, 25 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

• It is reported that the university has, on multiple occasions, turned down offers to join the Ivy League.

It is unsubstantiated gossip. Rutgers turned down an invitation. Rutgers, Army, and Navy were once rivals with the Ivy League schools before the conference was formalized. Also, CMU is a Division III school; it would have to file an application to jump to Division I, go through a probationary period and evaluations with the NCAA before it can join the Ivy League.

Rutgers never got an invitation either, obviously. It's a public mega-university that is not remotely academically compatible with the Ivy League. Omnibus 05:27, 27 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Is she for real? On September 22, 2005, a History and Policy student named Stephanie appeared on the "Jaywalking All-Stars" segment of The Tonight Show with Jay Leno. She's scheduled to appear again on September 23, 2005. Also on TV, Carnegie Mellon junior ECE major Kermin Elliott Fleming won the 2004 Jeopardy College Championship.

Various authors, activists, scholars, politicians, business leaders, and other notable people have given speeches at Carnegie Mellon over the years. Among them:

• Jeffrey Katzenberg, CEO of DreamWorks Animation SKG - October 6, 2005
• Michael Moore - October 26, 2004
• Dr. Condoleezza Rice - October 21, 2004
• Sen. John Kerry, 2004 presidential campaign - October 20, 2004
• Bill Gates - February 25, 2004
• Kevin Mitnick - March 18, 2003
• Dr. Howard Zinn - September 23, 2002
• Tom Ridge, Commencement Speech - May 19, 2002
• Robert Carhart Merton, Nobel Prize recipient - September 6, 2001
• Al Gore, 2000 presidential campaign - October 27, 2000
• Jerry Springer, spoke about politics - October 26, 2000
• Ralph Nader, 2000 presidential campaign - September 26, 2000
• Jane Goodall - April 4, 2000

"The campus was the first educational institution in the world to be completely covered by a wireless network."

Probably true, but not proven. Buena Vista University and Drexel University claim to be the first completely wireless campuses. Carnegie Mellon does not make this claim. Buena Vista, Drexel, and CMU completed campus-wide coverage by the fall of 2000. However, Drexel did not make their dormitories accessible before making their claim. So CMU most likely was ahead of Drexel despite Drexel's (arguably misleading) claim. CMU's Wireless Andrew covered its campus by the time it completed a major upgrade in August 2000. Initial research and experimentation by CMU began in 1994, even before WiFi standards were developed.

Some elementary schools, high schools, private schools, etc. had complete wireless networks before Carnegie Mellon did. (Look at the wording of the original statement. It should mention "post-secondary.")

Do people feel that the changes made by 128.2.161.190 (I can confirm it's a static CMU IP, DGFTEGUOY.RES.cmu.edu, but can't link it to an individual at CMU) were reasonable?

[2]

This individual seems to have permuted bits of the introduction in apparently random ways, and removed several large organizations which they apparently felt were not "notable" enough for listing. In particular (and this is what caused me to examine hir edits in the first place), they removed the KGB from the list, even as there was discussion active on the talk page about the section's content; this leads me to believe they in no way had consensus before removing those sections. I'm not going to just revert the edits, I don't want a war, but I'd like to know what people think. Glenn Willen (Talk) 06:18, 27 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

• I've replaced the content. I prefer not to speculate on their motivations for removing organizations. Feel free to revert such removals in the future. Material which is too detailed for an article can be moved to a subarticle. Material which should not be in any article (nonverifiable, etc.) should be moved to the Talk page, with a clear explanation of why the material is inappropriate. -- Creidieki 01:12, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Do we have a campus in Greece? [3] If we do that would be the first I've heard of it... but I was tempted to revert the Australia campus until I found out it was actually true. Edit was from a CMU IP, so I'm giving it the benefit of the doubt, for the moment. User:Glenn Willen (Talk) 00:34, 24 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

• Program home page. It is a surprise to me too! --Matt 02:21, 24 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Do we really want to put the Pittsburgh Universities template at the bottom of the the Carnegie Mellon page? It's an eyesore, contributes no information for people interested in reading about Carnegie Mellon, and does not appear on any other non-Pittsburgh major university pages I've visisted. --BenjaminTsai 20:34, 26 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I think it looks fairly ridiculous. Omnibus 05:23, 27 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Even academia seems to be infested with the smarmy creatures these days... so they've now decreed that the Corporate Image of Carnegie Mellon (which used to have a hyphen in it, by the way, until a previous corporate edict) demands that people not refer to it as CMU, like they have been doing for decades. This announcement, of course, is posted in a Web page that's within the domain name cmu.edu, by the way. *Dan T.* 20:41, 26 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

It may be annoying, but take a look at CMU (disambiguation). Central Michigan University seems to have prior claim to use of "CMU" so I think Carnegie Mellon's use of it has more to do with legal reasons than marketing purposes. But the fact that there are other "CMUs" out there, it just makes sense anyway to not use it when promoting the school. Agerard 22:43, 26 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

People also do get genuinely confused within the United States between Central Michigan and Carnegie Mellon. Central Michigan is five to six times bigger than Carnegie Mellon, participates in NCAA Division I-A, and uses the "CMU" acronym extensively in its own marketing and promotional material. --BenjaminTsai 23:30, 26 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

...but Carnegie Mellon got the cmu.edu domain name anyway. *Dan T.* 23:46, 26 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]