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Thanks for reverting the vandalism on my user page, that is the first time its been vandalized! — Wackymacs 08:04, 8 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I've just sen your wikiproject - nice work :) I am an author of polish Middle-Earth portal - and I think you could find there something useful :) In example I've made some timeline templates, they need only few translations and would be ready to publicate here. Probably I'll have some free time to do it on saturday. Links to polish versions you can find at the bottom of the portal - write if you like it, and if you'd like to change sth in english versions :) Nameless pl 21:10, 8 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Why has no-one blocked me yet?!?!?--80.47.65.9 12:40, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, there you go. You're blocked. Congrats. --CBD ✉ 12:44, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Stop trying to sabotage my edits, I am trying to help you and others!

Your 'edits' are to vandalize my user page and post a fake image to Gary Oldman and James Dean. This is considered vandalism. Please stop. --CBD ☎ ^✉ 15:37, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The image of Jmaes Dean is not fake.

[1] is not helpful, much as I appreciate the attempt at humor. Ëvilphoenix ^Burn! 19:10, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but I disagree. Humor is a good thing and truth is always helpful. --CBD ☎ ^✉ 19:25, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I saw you just reverted vandalism on George W. Bush, and wondered what you thought about the proposals to curb what's going on there. If you have time, check out Wikipedia:Semi-protection policy, and weigh in (there's something of a large discussion page, so be prepared. For a quick run-through of what's been said and done, see #rehashing) Hope to see you there. -Mysekurity^{(have you seen this?)} 22:19, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

No problem -- Francs 21:52, 11 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

...for reverting that vandalism to my talk page. I appreciate it. Canderson7 ^(talk) 23:26, 11 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I've never seen anything stating that it's encouraged to redirect IP's to userpages before, so sorry for undoing the redirect. Can you point me to where this has been discussed in the past? Thanks! —Locke Cole 22:33, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, I'll take it on faith that you're right (but if you do come across it, please let me know). The only reason I removed the redirects were because it made it annoying to check on contribs (and was kind of jarring when clicking on an IP and ending up at a user page). I'll leave it as a redirect though, it's just two more clicks. =) —Locke Cole 22:48, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I'm almost sorry for asking my question on Karmafists candidacy page, seeing now what it led to. Perhaps you and Karmafist could try to talk things out? I think you've gotten quite off topic with regards to my question (and Karmafists candidacy). Perhaps Karmafists or your talk page would be more appropriate? 131.155.229.224 13:52, 14 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your reply. I considered suggesting both of you stay out of each others way, but I didn't think that would solve anything. I thought, it would merely delay another conflict, but I hope you're correct. Best of luck. 131.155.229.224 14:54, 14 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I remembered you said once why you wondered why I don't give Andy a break. Well, it's basically because he doesn't give a break to others. I've stepped far out of the way here over the past few days in the feeling that I wouldn't have to do anything anymore, that while i'd like to rectify this situation, it's better to just stay away from him. However, he won't stay away from me it seems[2]. Personally, I think i'm an inferior person for it, but i'm a "crusader for justice". I can't stand by when people think they can muscle their opinions through on others, and if he wants to continue to involve me in his behavior, I can't let him think "he's won" or whatever he's thinking over there. Ok, I gotta get back to work. karmafist 21:00, 14 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Oh yeah, I won't block him since that'll cause me problems, and he knows that. Even though he doesn't want to admit the rfar exists, he knows it all to well and is basically just trying to goad me into confrontation at this point. I'll just continue keeping an eye on him out of the corner of my eye and letting all those that he affects negatively that the don't have to put up with it. karmafist 21:03, 14 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

You don't seem able to avoid making personal attacks, and ascribing to me motives which are your own invention. Andy Mabbett 21:19, 14 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Have you two ever heard of 'mutually assured destruction'? The idea is generally to avoid it... not rush headlong in. --CBD ☎ ^✉ 23:14, 14 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I'm trying man, i'm trying. Like I said before, when I see people trying to force their ideas on others, regardless of the content, it makes me angry. It's like a subconscious instinct I suppose. Next time I feel like he's taking me down with him again, i'll come to you. karmafist 02:36, 15 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

when I see people trying to force their ideas on others, regardless of the content, it makes me angry: That didn't stop you from reverting the Coleshill page to your preferred version, before protecting it; nor making repeated threats against me if I didn't comply with your instructions; nor blocking me under fasle pretexts for not doing so, did it? Andy Mabbett 11:30, 15 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The text from the boxes in the right-hand column overlap, and I can't figure out how to fix it.

A drastic solution, but one that would definitely work, would be to start over, using the code from the Philosophy portal as a guide. We've worked out all the bugs, and it is very stable. And it uses subpage transclusion rather than template transclusion. Go for it! 11:08, 15 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I'm almost done converting the portal over to the philosophy format. It should be another half-hour or so. Go for it! 11:58, 15 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Using search/replace to swap the colors went faster than expected. The portal is ready for your inspection. And yes, the boxes automattically size themselves to accomodate whatever you put in their corresponding subpage. Let me know if there is anything else I can do to help. Go for it! 12:22, 15 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome. It lacks edit buttons, but there is a link under miscellaneous to a list of all the subpages. You can easily edit them from there. I also put a couple links under miscellaneous for tracking changes to all the pages of the portal. Go for it! 12:51, 15 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I just didn't know how to implement the edit buttons. Thanks for showing me. I've added the feature to the philosophy portal. Thanks! Go for it! 14:05, 15 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks to the support of you and 63 others, I am now an administrator of the English language Wikipedia. — FREAK OF NUR_xTURE () 06:38, Dec. 17, 2005

I appreciate your work on the portal, but I have my doubts about your template. Adding it to all Tolkien related articles is "template creep" imho, but that's a matter of taste and I won't argue that point. But I do think you should add it to "see also", and not at the top of articles. Also, while I understand "Speak, friend, and enter", it is less than self-explanatory, and a prosaic "Middle-earth portal" would be preferable as a caption (especially since one is not required to "speak" to enter, at all). best regards, dab (ᛏ) 10:10, 18 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

sorry, I hadn't seen your post about the copyright before. With "fair use" you'll be on the safe side. I'm not sure if it is even evident at this low resolution whether it is a slightly different image, or the original one. Anyway, I don't personally care. I don't think we'll have much trouble if you claim the image as your own. It is still clearly a "derived" work and therefore in my understanding falls under copyright. The same would hold for the maps you mention, and just because the Tolkien Trust didn't choose to sue in that case does not mean that they are actually outside copyright. Again, this is not something I care about very much. I don't want to spoil your fun by being pedantic about the template placement either. I may move it down in a couple of instances where I feel it distracts from the actual article, but hey, it is not something about which there should be edit wars; what I told you above is just my personal opinion, and things will depend on what other people think. best regards, dab (ᛏ) 18:23, 18 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hi CBD. Regarding your outside view on Freestylefrappe's RFC, there's also his blocking of Stephenj and response to it, including unfounded accusations of Bunchofgrapes and repeated threats of unjustified uses of his admin tools. You don't seem to have commented on any of that, and it's a rather important part of the difficulties as far as I'm concerned, because it indicates a pattern of misuse of admin tools and misunderstanding his role as an administrator. Do you think those parts should be considered as a separate RFC to avoid muddling things, or did you just not think they were very important? Thanks. -- SCZenz 18:15, 18 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

We can probably avoid another Pigsonthewing situation if you mentor him from now on. I disagree with just about everything you said on the rfc(I was wrong before, apparently it's from a government website, and I don't know if Macedonia has different intellectual property laws, but government made things can't be copyrighted unless they're released to a publically owned entity AFAIK, although to me that still really isn't the issue here), but that's irrelevant.

I asked FSF to stop doing what he's doing on the talk page, but it doesn't seem to be enough. I wouldn't know where to start on giving him a ray of hope on ending this behavior of his, or if he'd even listen, so I figured I'd ask you, the apparent Wiki-Patron Saint of Lost Causes ;-)

I hope we can make him stop acting like this, but I fear it'll be another POTW, except without me getting so passionate since he has made me incredibly jaded towards the entire Rfc-rfar process. karmafist 19:16, 18 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Lost causes was probably the wrong word. "Devil's Advocate" or something maybe. You always seem to stick up for the causes that are vastly outnumbered in these things, although less so with FSF than with POTW, and rightly so because the content portion of FSF and Bitola's contribs was all in good faith IMO. Hopefully you're right, and things are settled, the best rfcs are the ones that just die because they've more or less been settled. If FSF can chill out, I think that'll be the case, I know i'm probably not going to check it again. Right now, i'm mulling over whether or not it's worth going for another 100 edit day, i've had 7 in the past 9 days. The vast majority of anything having to do with policy right now makes me sick, but i'm addicted to this place. karmafist 23:58, 18 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

We can probably avoid another Pigsonthewing situation: You appear to be obsessed with me. How touching. Andy Mabbett 10:23, 19 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

hey it's not like you have a debilitating physical condition I made fun of - all you need is exercise!

exercise is good, will make you live longer and feel happier.. so you would thank me in the end :) --Mistress Selina Kyle 18:24, 19 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I actually feel a bit guilty now tho. bleh. especially after reading the funnyish reply on Talk:Jimbo Wales -hope I didnt upset you or anything. --Mistress Selina Kyle 18:30, 19 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

CBDunkerson, thanks for your support on my RFA. I was rather suprised at the overwhelming support I received. Thank you for your confidence in me. I hope that I'll live up to your expectations in the future as well. -- malo (tlk) (cntrbtns) 05:09, 21 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Yep I know. Ral, who is one of the more respected admins, was freaked out by the idea of GWB being semi protected permanently...and I'm like...if it isn't...what's the point? I mean the whole idea is to stop having to revert vandalism every 4 minutes (literally) on that article. --Woohookitty^{(cat scratches)} 14:56, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I've raised this question here, as now it's actually real and happening I expect more people will want to comment. Dan100 (Talk) 15:05, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Middle-earth portal has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at Wikipedia:Templates for deletion#Template:Middle-earth portal. Thank you. --Qirex 01:23, 23 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your comments on Pigsonthewing on my Talk page. I have moved the discussion to Wikipedia talk:Requests for arbitration/Pigsonthewing/Probation, and it's my intent to try and focus discussion to that place. There are battles raging up all over the Wiki, and that needs to stop, so I'm encouraging discussion to focus to that place. I have also replied to your comment. Best regards, Ëvilphoenix ^Burn! 18:56, 23 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I have tried to be unfailingly polite to Freestylefrappe, and to make suggestions and offer help rather than trying to 'get' him. Based on your outside comment on the RfAr I filed against him, it appears that you might think the situation is otherwise. Can I request some suggestions on where I might have done better? -- SCZenz 01:34, 24 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I thank you for your comments. I disagree with them, and I think it's because you and I do have different ideas about my obligations in handling this situation. I don't think a point-by-point rebuttal is necessary or requested, but I am happy to discuss further if you like. -- SCZenz 03:41, 24 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

This, I mean. If nothing else, I wasn't aware of the modification, which seems like a good one to me. (Tangentially, even were the policy at the time as it is now, Freestylefrappe - it seems to me - failed to be clear in his communications with Bitola or others about exactly what copyvio was taking place, leaving it to me and others to hunt it down ourselves.) —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 02:28, 25 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Sure. freestylefrappe 06:27, 25 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hi CBD, I don't follow the relevance of some of your links in the new evidence you added. Either you made a mistake or two, or I'm just dense. Just so you can check, the ones I'm confused about are "here" (2nd-last point) and is "87" (last point) in this version of the RfAr. -- SCZenz 18:43, 25 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

• Oops, I now see the point of "here"... I'll double-check "87" too; maybe I'm just an idiot. -- SCZenz 18:59, 25 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• The problem with '87' is that it's a diff, which caused me to assume that the text that changed was the point. It might be better to clarify that...? -- SCZenz 19:02, 25 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • I didn't scroll down enough, I am an idiot. All the diffs were right on, and I apologize for bugging you. -- SCZenz 20:44, 25 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

These subjects are submitted to wikipedia because Bellakar was earlier submitted.

Yes, this is fan creation, and I see no reason why these texts are "candidates for deletion" while it opens interest to readers. The assumption "candidate for deletion" violate wikipedia as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alcantar (talk • contribs)

These subjects are submitted to wikipedia because Bellakar was earlier submitted, and because the debate for deletion was not made open.

Yes, this is fan creation, and I see no reason why these texts are "candidates for deletion" while it opens interest to readers. The assumption "candidate for deletion" violate wikipedia as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alcantar (talk • contribs)

Hi I'm here to thank you for your evidence in the freestylefrappe arbitration case. It really is very helpful when someone stands up for people in this way. I'm here is to encourage you to do it for other cases. The sad fact is the kind of people who end up in front of us are often unable to properly present their own evidence. There is the WP:AMA which was set up to help people in the dispute resolution process but in my experience Advocates have not been very good. So I'm hoping that by saying thanks in this case I can persuede you to stick your nose into other cases as well. If you don't want to don't worry though, I'll hassle someone else instead. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 21:06, 26 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I just saw your edit on the temp page. Shivraj Singh 20:32, 27 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

No, not really. I just saw some info about the conflict and was trying to come up with some neutral phrasing. --CBD _☎ ^✉ 22:51, 27 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. On your issues with the ArbCom and Karmafist - people have noticed and you aren't alone in your concern. If he continues to have trouble with various users it'll probably result in action being taken against him. However, unless he starts making more comments here or you have some future run-in I'd suggest just letting it go and getting back to what makes Wikipedia fun... or weird math things which I don't understand. Whatever floats your boat. :] --CBD _☎ ^✉ 17:27, 28 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

i don't have a real "issue" with ArbCom, i think the are mistaken in ignoring this and as Tony Sidaway said "Apologies all around doesn't cut it". particularly when Karmafist and Phroziac have no inclination to apologies for anything. but i think the present ArbCom folk are good people and i'm sure mine isn't the only case they "misunderestimated" and dismissed. (it would be pretty scary if Karma got on the ArbCom. i think that will be the anvil that breaks the camel's back, for me.)

i think Karma has shown his true colors already, and doing what he did to me is clear evidence that "he continues to have trouble with various users" since this crap began long before i was unfortunate to have crossed paths (actually, i had nothing to do with him, Phroziac sicced him onto me, for utterly no justification). the way it stands now, the way it stood last week, is that he is not fit to be an admin. why wait until he violates someone else before desysopping him? he's already had many second chances. it's time for Wikipedia to recover some credibility.

lot's of things float my boat, but abuse under the cover of authority, whether its Karmafist or the Diallo cops, sinks it. r b-j 18:16, 28 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Portals got one on Sports or Narnia. --Jingofetts 19:34, 28 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I did say sorry

too random for my own good >_< --Mistress Selina Kyle ^{(Α⇔Ω ¦ ⇒✉)} 00:27, 29 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Well, not in so many words... but it's all good. I was just ribbing you. :] --CBD _☎ ^✉ 00:34, 29 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand your comment there since it often seems like you think you're a regular user who "has crossed me", yet I have nothing but respect for you even if I disagree with your methods and beliefs. After POTW, apparently we've each taken roles of Public defender and District attorney apparently, so from prosecutor to defender, let me tell you this. I have zero problem with rbj, I have a problem with the way he acts. I told him to walk away from rudeness towards people like Phroziac, or something like this would happen. He can now make it worse, or walk away. It might not be too late, but you might be his only shot. I've built upon your idea and asked Woohookitty for some ideas for projects that he could get involved in.

Don't worry, once the incivility issues stop, my concern towards the user stop. Rbj's no difference You can just see the instance of Kmweber for that one. Before I came along, he called everybody "Deletionist Vandals" and caused alot of disruption on afd. After I didn't pull any punches with him, he realized that what he was doing isn't acceptable and he began to act civilly, albeit eccentrically. I haven't checked, but since then I haven't heard any issues from him. karmafist 11:07, 29 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Eh, compared to the POTW days, this isn't so exasperating :-)

I am surprised you're a regular on Usenet, but then again since you learned the ropes before Eternal September or whatever they called it, I guess it makes sense that you're different than them. Other than Trelane(who's usually an anon from what he told me on IRC), you're the only courteous peron on there compared to that long, yet only partial list or trolls from there on here.

Oh, speaking of IRC, it seems fitting to mention what today's challenge of the day is... "define the logic of our wikilaws". Ultimately, per the bureaucracy section of WP:NOT, I was perfectly within policy to ban Kmweber forever, if unfortunately because the text of policy doesn't really mean anything compared to its intent, which varies from person to person, ultimately making him claim on IRC that as his block was reduced several times that he could game his way out of having to be nice to anyone who agreed with him, making me think that he would never learn.

I wasn't sure it would it would work, but I tested David Gerard's theorem (if someone is hated enough and they break enough rules, blocking forever is the only real option), something that i've heard POTW is edging close toward these days(I haven't heard from him in a few weeks for the most part, as now half of Wikipedia is watching him like a hawk, which only came after that rfar.)

Check his talk page and history, it is unlikely that Kmweber (talk · contribs) would have listened to anything outside of his own views. Being indef blocked and then basically hearing a slew of editors thinking he was obnoxious on a regular basis made him change his ways, as least as far as i've heard so far(I haven't heard of any more issues since then.)

As for Alcantar, he sounds very similiar to Maoririder (talk · contribs) and EddieSegoura (talk · contribs), who are apples and oranges to the various rbjs of the world. Maybe people like him can be changed, refocused towards something like you said, but I have to be wary because in my opinion, if usenet changed during that September a decade or so ago, we're at about mid-August at this rate.

You're right, the Mailer Diablo thing was a mistake on my part, but with the way things are around here now, I think we'll see other things just like it from numerous other people unless our policies and guidelines are reformed. karmafist 21:18, 29 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

There's nothing wrong with disagreement. I look forward to more debates in disputes in the future, hopefully we'll either help Wikipedia in our individual ways or at least rub off on each other and both become really damn moderate :-P. karmafist 21:44, 29 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Conrad, it is better to leave reference to a 3RR block on the talk page for the duration of the block in case another admin sees the violation, doesn't check the noticeboard, and blocks again, which I've seen happen a few times. That is why I restored it. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 21:40, 29 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Sure thing, she's a fiery one, but a good kid. karmafist 22:07, 29 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Is to take your critics into account...

Lemme know what you think here. I was basically thinking "What would CBD do here", and then did that, which was go through the red tape. I mean, Ardenn (talk · contribs) is a clueless newbie and Anakinskywalker (talk · contribs) has caused problems at that article before, but what the hell right? I've gotten too much bullshit in the past for trying to come and save the day, so i'll let you or someone else handle it. Oh yeah, and that part on the bottom might sound familiar from POTW with Coleshill, Warwickshire, so i'll give you the answer to the question I assume you'll ask later -- "I'm not going to bother doing it myself because I have better things to do than cleanup after trolls, especially when they could easily cleanup after themselves..." karmafist 01:04, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, when you get 2 or 3 of these per day, you get jaded pretty quick, man. Looking at Anakin's edits(he has about 500 or so edits since August, and almost all of them are on this article), I think the only way to deal with him is to remove him from editing that article altogether, but if he can be reformed, that'd be wonderful. I just don't think Las Vegas would put very good odds on that. karmafist 01:28, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I followed your advice, and I figured i'd show you what I recieved via e-mail.

It didn't work out, I'll go and contribute my efforts somewhere less hostile.

Ardenn.

No offense, but I shouldn't have cared so much about your opinion. Thanks to that, this unfortunate new user is now gone where I could have done something. You can think what you like about me, but since there seems to be no more law and order on Wikipedia, I am going to do all I can to make sure nobody lands into a troll minefield like that ever again, and if ardenn doesn't return, Anakinskywalker (talk · contribs) is going to have to deal with me and my cabal, and you know how nasty I can get when I see people trying to harm others on here.

Oh, speaking of people trying to harm others, I glanced at POTW's comment above, and I'd suggest you ask him to look at my edit history and then look at mine and compare the percentage of how many of his edits have to do with me compared to the opposite. karmafist 06:10, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I just wanted to say thanks for your neutral vote (despite your earlier statement that you'd oppose). It means a lot to me that you think I've improved enough to no longer warrant an oppose. —Locke Cole • t • c 13:38, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Another thank you for your comment on my talk page (now archived). =) Sorry for the belated response. —Locke Cole • t • c 22:03, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

In the interest of fairness; your statement that you can find no non-edit war article edits by him in December is inaccurate. Prior to December 10th there were many ([3], [4], [5], Tim Tolkien, et cetera). Since then only this one. I'd also suggest that 'wikistalking' ought to require active disruption of the person's efforts to contribute rather than just complaining/noting every time they make negative comments about you. --CBD _☎ ^✉ 18:47, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I believe that there is active disruption -- for example, voting on Locke Cole's RfA before it was linked strongly suggests that he's monitoring Karmafist's contributions closely, which he has no legitimate reason to be doing. Kelly Martin (talk) 18:49, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I have moved this page to User:CBDunkerson/Sandbox2 to turn it into a subpage of your user page, and deleted the redirect. --cesarb 20:46, 31 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hi CB - thanks for the note; I noticed it when I'd been editing Rudbeckia laciniata (a plant); it added a couple of extra lines in the taxobox filled with triple curly brackets with 'subdivision' (if I remember rightly) in the brackets. The dinosaur one comes up very different; it was like this a week or so ago; I was able to correct that by changing the layout to:

| subdivision = [[Saurischia]] <br/>[[Sauropodomorpha]] <br/>[[Theropoda]] <br/>[[Ornithischia]] (my edit)

but it seems to have been changed back again resulting in the peculiar additions at the top of the page. I must admit I don't like the new taxobox style, thought the old one was much better (and still use it when making new articles), it was much less prone to these unpredictable formatting peculiarities, and also much easier to add extra details like author citations. Hope this helps! - MPF 00:21, 1 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. I seems that the "Fossil range: Triassic – Cretaceous" is a lot larger than it should be, and I don't know how to fix that. A good example of how it should be is on the Hampster page. --Khoikhoi 03:23, 1 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! By the way, another thing that's bothered me ever since the creation since the Taxobox template is the the size of the conservation status. I like the size on Quagga, would you be able to fix it? Thanks. --Khoikhoi 03:37, 1 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, thanks! --Khoikhoi 07:59, 1 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

1. Image:Eriador.jpg
2. Image:Beleriand.png
3. Image:Middleearth.jpg

Hi, you've tagged a number of maps as {{cc-by-2.0-map}} (which would entitle commercial use of the work) that I had earlier tagged as {{CopyrightedNotForProfitUseProvidedThat}}. The maps are clearly not under a CC licence as can be seen at http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/faq/use.html, and commercial use is specifically not allowed. Given that, would you not agree that the previous tag better describes the licencing situation of these images? Thanks/wangi 17:48, 1 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

reference

Yeah, I know that such images are deprecated - but that is intentional, if the content cannot be used commercially then we shouldn't be using it on Wikipedia since we can have commercial downstream users. For more info see this email from Jimmy Wales. Such images are deprecated, not the template - it correctly identifies the copyright of the image.

The real solution here is for someone to recreate these maps themself - perhaps you can ask someone to do that on the Middle-earth WikiProject? Thanks/wangi 18:48, 1 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Or contact Encyclopedia of Arda to get permission to use the maps commercially on this site? wangi 18:51, 1 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Copyright issues give me a headache. I've switched these back (while leaving in the explanation that Encyclopedia of Arda's copyright itself may be questionable). I think I've seen an Aman map on CC which can be used in place of Encyclopedia of Arda's version. I'll look into getting freely available versions of the others (though their copyright status in relation to the originals by Christopher Tolkien will always be open to question). --CBD _☎ ^✉ 19:23, 1 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi CBDunkerson,

I just have one more request for help on Template:Taxobox. I'm having a problem with making the caption show. For example, on the Sperm Whale article, this version uses Template:Taxobox begin while this version uses Template:Taxobox. You'll notice that the only difference is that the version that uses the {{taxobox}} template lacks a caption. Is there any way to fix this error? Thanks. --Khoikhoi 08:26, 2 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Conrad. (1) I've just update my weeble sandbox example User talk:Adrian Buehlmann/work/WeebleTrick using the new "if=" style. Example B1 still fails due to the missing "if=". (2) I agree with you that adding "|if=" to template calls isn't that of a big deal, I mean I would go for this if I were allowed to. It's not that difficult to add that to template calls. But of course it might get forgotten and looks a bit strange. Clearly we are in "everthing costs something" land (nothing new in engineering :-). Adrian Buehlmann 17:05, 3 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]