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"Lemberg Ghetto" 500/"Lviv Ghetto" 1,000/"Lwow Ghetto" 4,000. I suggest renaming this article to "Lwów Ghetto" (which was the city's name before WWII). Comments? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 18:58, 19 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

agree.--Jacurek (talk) 22:30, 19 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Lemberg was also a name for the city before the war and was also the name of the city when the Ghetto was established i.e during the German occupation. If you put down "Lwów Ghetto" it will look like it was a Polish ghetto or organized by the Poles whereas it was really organized by the Germans. Let us look at similar instances - Auschwitz is in Poland yet the term for the concentration camp uses the German name rather than the Polish on - and that has been specifically done in order to distance the Poles from the whole concept of these attrocities. Bandurist (talk) 22:48, 19 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Please, don't make changes without looking in cited sources. For instance, the last edit [1] changed "Some 5000 Jews died as a result of this pogrom, perpetrated by Ukrainian nationalists and police." to "Some 5000 Jews died as a result of this pogrom, allegedly perpetrated by Ukrainian nationalists and police." The attempt to whitewash the Ukrainians is understandable, however, the source (Richard Breitman) states the following:

"Another large 'reprisal' came on 1 July in the city of Lemberg (Lvov), where the chief and staff of what was soon to be called Einsatzgruppe C had just arrived. The population of this main city in eastern Galicia was a mixture of Poles, Ukrainians, Jews, and ethnic Germans. Commander Dr Otto Rasch informed his men that Jews and some other inhabitants of Lemberg had killed a number of people in the city before the Russian troops retreated. Although this 'crime' did not affect the German forces, that mattered little. The Ukrainians had already created a local militia under a military commandant, which the Germans decided to use. Together with the militia, Einsatzkommandos 4a and 6 and a police unit brought in from Cracow rounded up some 3,000 suspects, mostly Jews, in the municipal stadium. The next day Rasch informed the men that he had received an order from Hitler that all those guilty or even suspected of involvement were to be executed. Rasch personally supervised the executions on 2 and 3 July. Moreover, another 5,000 Jews in the city died around the same time as a result of Ukrainian pogroms and police killings on the streets.³⁰"

The footnote 30 is:"Erwin Schulz Affidavit, 13 August 1947, NA RG 238. NO-3644, p. 3 of original, refers to 2,500 to 3,000 killed. EM no. 24, 16 July 1941, NA RG 242, T-175/R 233/ 2721538 cites an overall total of 7,000 shot by the police and 1,000 beaten and jailed by the Ukrainians during the period 30 June-3 July."

We can see that there is no allegedly here.

In addition, the city's name during those time was "Lwow", or "Lvov".--Paul Siebert (talk) 20:35, 17 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]