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I'm pretty sure Maimonides, Avrohom Elyashiv, and Shlomo Amar practiced Judaism. You know, the whole rabbi thing. Parthian Scribe 09:34, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

totally redundant cat. --Shuki (talk) 12:54, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In several recent changes you made you used inappropriate sources. For instance, to show that Yediot Aharonot is "Pro-Livni" (which was probably IMHO the most reasonable statement of them) you bring something that Uzi Mahnaimi wrote in passing in the times (which was started as "Observers speculated"). This is not appropriate source for the claim. For such a claim you should bring either explicit endorsement in the editorial of the paper or evaluations by media critics. You did similar things (only with worse sources) in trying to show that Meretz is "far left" and for Moshe Feiglin to "show" that his action are civil disobedience. Please stop and debate in each talk page the merits of the claim you are trying to insert. Mashkin (talk) 15:44, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not delete content or templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to Talk:2009 IDF T-Shirt controversy, without giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your content removal does not appear constructive, and has been reverted. Please make use of the sandbox if you'd like to experiment with test edits. Thank you. Cerejota (talk) 01:40, 25 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, that is weird. That information was certainly not there when I made the edit. --Shuki (talk) 06:14, 25 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest that in order not to be close to violating Wikipedia:Three-revert rule (you have reverted three times) you will return the page to the version without the claim. Mashkin (talk) 18:49, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, I think that it is you who have to be careful not to rv this time. I have a feeling that someone will do the work for you, right?

Your problem is that you don't even want to compromise. Your POV blinds you into not accepting legitimate edits on this article and others. No article is owned by any editor no matter how much they think they are an expert on the subject. If another editor adds sourced information, especially from various WP:RS, you can't merely delete it because you choose. In this case, if you insist on proving that Meretz is not a far-left party and that the sources I've brought are plainly wrong, then you must bring sourced evidence to prove otherwise. Instead of contributing, you choose to delete others. --Shuki (talk) 19:25, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In your edit summary to Mechinat Rabin in which you removed external links to news articles in the electronic media, you used the term "linkspam". I would suppose this [derogatory, pejorative term refers to links deemed superfluous, but would you kindly explain to me how this relates to Wikipedia editing policy? I was the one who created the page and included those links as Further reading (not references), and did not know that they're invalid as your removal seems to indicate. The references I used to create the page are websites and duly cited. Since in the past I've noted editors remove page content according to their personal interpretations and judgment regardless of WP policy, I need to where this edit stands, on what grounds. -- Cheers, Deborahjay (talk) 11:18, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

When editing WP, we have to think about the long-term future of the article. If you must link to other news articles, I suggest you add part of this information into the body of the article and reference to that. As it is, extensive weight has been given to this one subject in the article and it has virtually nothing to do with the school. Claim to fame is the actions of two students? Please read WP:ONEEVENT. On top of that, a wikinews article has been created. Your further reading should be moved to there. --Shuki (talk) 19:01, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the explanation; these aspects of editing are new to me. Your "two students" query (based only on a later reference, appended from a single article?) fails to take into account the level and extent of those involved in this story as it developed over the course of a month,as I hoped would be clear from the initial content of the page: a graduates' meeting at which combat in Gaza was discussed, the program director (himself an IDF reserves officer) who has educated hundreds of IDF soldiers and officers during the past decade, two high-ranking officers responsible for the IDF and education, broad news coverage on a controversial aspect of the problematic Gaza conflict that involved thousands of soldiers and touched upon their families' and Israeli society's concerns. I still find the term "linkspam" objectionable and insulting, difficult to reconcile with acknowledgement on the deleting editor's part of the good faith efforts I made, as might have been but wasn'ty evinced by an explanation on the article's Talk page or my own. Hence my approach to you here.-- Deborahjay (talk) 19:36, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think that the term WP:LINKSPAM is derogatory at all and stand by my use of the term. I would understand that having someone edit your writing might be offensive, but I just want to clean up the article. Frankly, I don't identify with the school but it does not mean I don't care about the quality of the article. IMO, the main body should also be chopped up. Currently, it reads like an informational pamphlet with non-notable information like the part of about dormitory conditions. Frankly, most might say that the school itself is non-notable and ONEEVENT. Maybe we should take this to the Israel project page? Personally, I tend to want to see short articles on educational institutions. --Shuki (talk) 20:17, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I read the WP:LINKSPAM description and it seems quite clearly limited to external links that are essentially promotional material. The external links in Mechinat Rabin are to media reports about the controversy instance, and are simply many. Your "standing by [your] use of the term" doesn't indicate suitable reading comprehension on your part for someone who's going to "correct" other editors. The article needs restructuring, which I would welcome as it isn't my strong point. As in general I'm an inclusionist and have a great deal of professional experience writing about Israel for overseas audiences, that's usually the guideline along which I provide content. As for the links to news material, I think (and will note this on the Talk page) that these should be winnowed to include only those dealing with the Mechinah itself. That's about it for now; hope I've made my position clearer. -- Deborahjay (talk) 20:05, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The whole issue seems to have been blown out of proportion entirely given that it was a non story. The NPOV in me sees this two week one event issue removed from the article entirely, the POV in me says keep it up because it shows an example of a kooky thing that happened there and how the head of the school went out of his way to blacken the image of the army and Israel. --Shuki (talk) 21:28, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Your comment is a revealing testament to your personal judgment that evidently underlies your edits as well as your understanding of what's relevant to Israeli society (an issue of interest to the English-language readership as demonstrated by the amount of media coverage devoted to it daily, not so?). You call "Nonstory" an issue with major headlines and a broad-ranging series of followup articles in both the Israeli and international press (still in progress; watch the weekend papers). The matter of Purity of Arms and the IDF code of conduct are crucial fundamentals of Israeli society directly affecting innumerable people on all sides of the conflict. This particular flareup started with the Rabin Mechinah but its influence is not restricted to that program. As for your interpretation of Danny Zamir's motives, it's just that—and I can assure you that the opposite (as he avers) is just as likely or even more true than your personal (and clearly antipathetic) opinion: why not believe and report that he acted out of intense concern for the wellbeing of IDF soldiers? I and others will do further edits to rectify the proportions of this incident on the page as it relates to the topic. The page is a work in progress. -- Deborahjay (talk) 04:01, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

DJ, there is no doubt that everyone has POV. On top of that, FWIW, you even admitted that you also have WP:COI on the Rabin article. Given that, it should not prevent both of us from making the article better, accurate, and NPOV (do you know what that means)? If you have read my part of the discussion, then I already stated some issues with regard to that. It soothes my heart that Danny Zamir's motives are pure but that is not even alluded to in the article either way. IMO, the Cast Lead section is an embarrassment to the school. There might be an attempt to explain the event as an attempt to expose, or rather, improve code of conduct, but nonetheless, at this point, the tempest in a teapot is that Zamir's students testified even though the information was heresay and he ran to the media to publicize this. As for page being a work in progress; every page is a work in progress. If you really want to work on it, put up a 'contruction' template for a few hours, but don't expect other editors to wait a few days while Mashkin blanks material he deems unfit for the article. --Shuki (talk) 17:55, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

your behavior is abusive and not appropriate for Wikipedia. You are trying to insert various things to the Sasson Report and to the Meretz. Given that there is opposition to those changes, you have to discuss them in the talk page. Instead you repeatedly make the changes to the article itself. Needless to say, you can't declare unilaterally that the discussion is over. Please stop or I will have to complain about your behavior. Mashkin (talk) 23:25, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mashkin, who's being abusive? Please quote the WP policies where it states that I need to justify each edit I make that you oppose. Before you complain, I suggest that you read up on editing WP first. One of the cardinal policies of WP is that you don't own the articles. Please read up on policies. --Shuki (talk) 23:41, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Simply read the Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle and see how things should work. In all the discussion or attempted discussions you keep making claims and assertions that are wildly besides the point. Mashkin (talk) 23:48, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Your edit in Avidgor Lieberman [1] is clearly bad faith as you say " Mashkin, like you claim, first discuss on talk page)" There was an extensive discussion on the talk page how to phrase the Kach membership and this is the agreement. You are clearly admitting that you are reverting just to get back at what you precieve as my stuboorn edits in other pages. This is a bad fath edit. Mashkin (talk) 22:55, 30 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Accusing me of bad faith is actually contrary to WP:AGF. I'm sorry that you assume that you are right all the time. You know, many good admins also started off with your aggressive attitude but learned how to settle disputes in a good way. I wish you luck. --Shuki (talk) 06:10, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The "Assume Good Faith" policy is precisely why your behavior is so egregious. This is the underlying assumption of the operation of Wikipedia and you are abusing it by operating in bad faith and advertising this fact by saying that your edit is just to annoy me. Mashkin (talk) 08:51, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Putting words in my mouth? Pathetic. --Shuki (talk) 22:15, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Shuki, I am a bit concerned about your edit to the 2009 Israel Defense Forces T-shirt affair where you added a POV template. Based on the edit summary it looks as though this was instigated by another user putting it on another article. I am not accusing you of anything, just a bit of friendly advice. Editing in this area will inevitably lead to confrontations with other users, some of them can get quite nasty and long-lived. It is best to try to approach each article on its own. If you feel that there is a POV issue with the article in question then by all means re-add the POV template. But at least go to the talk page to list your concerns. The template had originally been added because some felt the title was inaccurate and the article did not include the perspective of the soldiers. Both those concerns have been resolved and now others who had supported the tag no longer feel it is necessary. If you still feel it is necessary could you please let us know what concerns you have with it? Peace and happiness, Nableezy (talk) 19:18, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your concern. I don't see clear consensus to close the issue of the template. You thought you were being bold, I disagree with your action. --Shuki (talk) 21:10, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That is fine, and absolutely feel free to revert me, I will not re-revert. But could you please post your concerns on the neutrality to the talk page as the ones that have been brought up have been dealt with. Thanks, Nableezy (talk) 21:17, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Again, thank you for your concern. I've been dealing with two uncooperative editors over the past two weeks or so, and it is refreshing to see that mutual discussion still exists on WP. --Shuki (talk) 21:25, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, I have had the unfortunate experience of trying to engage in dialogue with those who refuse as well. And thank you for responding in kind. Peace, Nableezy (talk) 21:30, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

could you please let us know on the talk page what specifically is a neutrality issue with the article? I believe all viewpoints are covered (the press reaction, the IDF, the individual soldiers, even the t-shirt manufacturers response) and I fail to see what is a neutrality concern with the article. thanks, Nableezy (talk) 20:54, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

'accusation like that needs WP:RS, not a conspiracy site theory', Shuki

Since when is Fox news a conspiracy site?

'Fox News has learned that some American terrorist investigators fear certain suspects in the Sept. 11 attacks may have managed to stay ahead of them'

http://web.archive.org/web/20011215001716/www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,40684,00.html emacsuser (talk) 12:42, 5 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

These were allegations from 2002. There is a reason why articles about people and organizations don't list all instances of some accusation/allegation that never goes anywhere. --Shuki (talk) 13:38, 5 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I guess a Wikipedia article on why such allegations never go anywhere would be most appropriate ;)

It was an FBI search of the husband’s workplace that discovered in his possession what Waller and Rodriguez called “a list of the FBI’s most sensitive telephone numbers, including the Bureau’s ‘black’ lines that FBI counterintelligence used to keep track of the suspected Israeli spy operation.” In the words of the Insight investigators, “the hunted were tracking the hunters.”

http://www.washington-report.org/backissues/062000/0006006.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Emacsuser (talk • contribs) 11:35, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If you believe that the Messiah comes from the line of David then how do you deal with the blood curse in Jeremiah 22:30? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.104.157.60 (talk) 11:03, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have reported your 3RR violation on Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring. Mashkin (talk) 22:12, 20 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Shuki. In the 3RR discussion, one editor claims that you show systematic bias regarding Israeli political articles. You may wish to add your own comment in that thread. EdJohnston (talk) 16:03, 21 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. Replied on the that page. --Shuki (talk) 18:57, 21 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have asked that you be blocked for your edit warring in Amnon Yitzhak. Mashkin (talk) 09:36, 22 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it is certainly clear that A) you have dictatorial characteristics and would rather shut up opposing voices rather than deal with the issue maturely, B) still have not accepted the idea of what WP is about (collaboration and cooperation) C) still make unjustified allegations and D) make a farce out of WP procedures. Instead of learning from my mistake of misunderstanding 3RR which actually means 4RR, you went and whined like a baby in an attempt to shut me up. --Shuki (talk) 17:33, 22 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Shuki! You appear to be very interested in settlements, so I am requesting your help. Category:Israel articles missing geocoordinate data has about a dozen settlements which are very new and not marked on any map, and therefore I cannot find them. Can you please have a look and add coordinates where relevant? If you are unsure how to do this, please provide me with Google Maps links for the settlements (right-click + 'center map here', then click 'Link'), and I will do the rest. Thanks, Ynhockey ^(Talk) 00:44, 23 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It shouldn't be a problem. I picked these out for a first batch. Hopefully on Sat nite.

Burnt House http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=israel&ie=UTF8&ll=31.77548,35.233101&spn=0.007087,0.009656&t=h&z=17

Hof Aza Regional Council http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=israel&ie=UTF8&ll=31.354975,34.274554&spn=0.007119,0.009656&t=h&z=17

Ma'ale Rehav'am Maybe - http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=israel&ie=UTF8&ll=31.646879,35.258067&spn=0.014193,0.019312&t=h&z=16

Migron, Mateh Binyamin http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=israel&ie=UTF8&ll=31.889838,35.271392&spn=0.028312,0.038624&t=h&z=15

Shomron Regional Council http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=israel&ie=UTF8&ll=32.111123,35.117927&spn=0.007061,0.009656&t=h&z=17

The Temple Institute http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=israel&ie=UTF8&ll=31.77548,35.233101&spn=0.007087,0.009656&t=h&z=17

Timnath-heres http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=israel&ie=UTF8&ll=32.119519,35.157183&spn=0.00706,0.009656&t=h&z=17

Shabbat shalom Yan. --Shuki (talk) 12:05, 24 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The others I was not sure about and the Peace Now map is a bit vague. --Shuki (talk) 00:00, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! I have added the coordinates you provided. —Ynhockey ^(Talk) 10:28, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

this user comes to every page of a neighborhood of jerusalem and changes the lead sentence. is there anything you can do to contribut from your past history. thank you. [2] 216.165.95.70 (talk) 10:56, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding reversions[3] made on April 29 2009 to Amnon Yitzhak

You have been blocked from editing for a short time in accordance with Wikipedia's blocking policy for violating the three-revert rule. Please be more careful to discuss controversial changes or seek dispute resolution rather than engaging in an edit war. If you believe this block is unjustified, you may contest the block by adding the text {{unblock|Your reason here}} below, but you should read our guide to appealing blocks first.

The duration of the is 24 hours. William M. Connolley (talk) 21:31, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

Shuki (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

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Request reason:

I understand that my 3RR violation was actually the reverting of Mashkin's last revert violation?

Decline reason:

It doesn't really matter what the final revert was, to be honest. As I've already said to Mashkin, you were both edit-warring on the page, you're both clearly aware of the 3RR and the edit-warring policies and I can't see a reason why a 24h timeout isn't reasonable in the circumstances. Black Kite 22:10, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Please stop reinserting patently inappropriate material. You have never bothered to say why this material which deals with an individual case which was not detained in any meaningful way is so notable so as to appear in he article. Does the FBI article contain details of every (notable) individual that was denied entry to the US? Given that you have not expressed such reasons one has to conclude that your goal is to e disruptive. Please stop! Mashkin (talk) 13:52, 19 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That is your POV. Finkelstein was detained at the airport when denied entry. The same section deals with two other 'controversial detentions'. If you have a problem with the section, then say it instead of singling out Finklestein who I assume you admire. By deleting material [on any page], you show your continued lack of respect of other editors, your shallow POV (to either protect or harm certain subjects) and unwillingness to compromise and collaborate which is a goal of WP. --Shuki (talk) 20:51, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 24 hours in accordance with Wikipedia's blocking policy for engaging in an edit war at Michael Ben-Ari. Please be more careful to discuss controversial changes or seek dispute resolution rather than engaging in an edit war. If you believe this block is unjustified, you may contest the block by adding the text {{unblock|your reason here}} below. Shell ^babelfish 02:05, 21 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This is quite funny actually. Thanks Shell for ignoring the issue and doing the easy thing.--Shuki (talk) 20:28, 21 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Although I wasn't that happy about it, I can see that it is Wikipedia policy not to have "former" categories. I think now we have the template and the list of current ones I can just about let it slide. пﮟოьεԻ 57 08:07, 26 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]