Thanks for the complement. I have some other stuff going on in my life right now and don't know how much time I can give to Wikipedia, but I will monitor my watchlist as best I can. Ward20 (talk) 01:08, 24 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well, there is really nothing left for me to do here. Wikipedia is dead, I won't waste any more energy on it. Guido den Broeder (talk, visit) 15:20, 26 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome back Guido, even if your hands are tied to the point where you aren't even allowed to discuss ME/CFS on your own talkpage. - Tekaphor (TALK) 11:19, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Tek, I hope you saw the news.[1] Guido den Broeder (talk, visit) 11:52, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

As various users are currently suggesting that my account should be blocked because of my contributions, here is a complete overview for easy reference.

• Basic income in the Netherlands Removed 'welfare' that was incorrectly put forward as an example, improved layout and corrected a link description [2][3][4]
• Chess World Cup Added a mention of the earlier GMA Grand prix. [5]
• Geoengineering Reworded the lead where there was some confusion between definition and application [6][7]
• Global Cooling Changed an anon's addition of 'today' (the infamous moving target) into 'beginning of the 21st century' in accordance with source and info at Global Warming [8]
• Owen's Defense Added mention of a common pitfall in this opening, with game and diagram. [9]

Regards, Guido den Broeder (talk, visit) 16:55, 26 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've started a discussion about you at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#User:Guido den Broeder. Fram (talk) 20:48, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Per CHL, you are under a "Topic ban on CFS topics on all articles and talk pages for one year."

This includes your talk page. You are not permitted to discuss CFS topics, which obviously includes ME. I choose at this time not to report this further, but you are not permitted to discuss this topic further. Thank you. Hipocrite (talk) 21:07, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Hipocrite for bringing this back here from AN/I.

However, this is not an article talk page, nor do I see why the ban would include the topic of ME, let alone obviously. Guido den Broeder (talk, visit) 21:15, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You are banned from discussing anything related to CFS/ME on all article and talk pages, including your talk page. This is not up for debate, at this point. Hipocrite (talk) 21:19, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have asked Cool Hand Luke for clarification. His statement mentioned only CFS, not ME which is a different topic. Whether the topic ban includes non-article talk pages is unclear. Guido den Broeder (talk, visit) 21:24, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No clarification is required. [10] is clear (all articles and talk pages), as is Chronic fatigue syndrome (CFS ~ ME) William M. Connolley (talk) 21:39, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You are not an arbitrator, nor are you an expert on either topic. Note that the ArbCom points to my good behaviour on nl:Wikibooks, where I contributed to the very topic of ME. Guido den Broeder (talk, visit) 21:41, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Quite correct. But I'm an admin. In an amusing catch-22, the terms of the unblock would appear to even constrain you from discussing whether CFS ~ ME William M. Connolley (talk) 21:45, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I am not discussing it. And as you have long overstayed your welcome, I suggest that you withdraw. Cool Hand Luke is perfectly capable of answering my question, so there is no need for a full dozen other users to jump in. Guido den Broeder (talk, visit) 21:50, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Guido, in light of the concerns you raised about my participation in your case, I have recused myself from any future deliberations about your participation on Wikipedia. Therefore, I'm not comfortable interpreting the terms of your unblock. I've notified the other arbitrators about this dispute, and you should be hearing from the Committee. Cool Hand Luke 00:33, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Luke, that is wise and fair. Guido den Broeder (talk, visit) 00:44, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Guido, you need to drop CFS and ME now. Completely. Your unblock is strictly dependent on your capacity to stay away from this topic entirely, and unless you do so we will have little choice but to reblock you. — Coren ^(talk) 15:21, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I consider that an extension of the topic ban. Again, you have not provided a reason for this decision. Obviously you (plural) have the power to set any restriction that you want, but you should realize that there are consequences to making arbitrary, partial decisions. Trust in you has diminished further, and that will echo far beyond my personal involvement. Wikipedia will be known even more clearly for purposely spreading false medical information, and for giving malicious users a free pass to harass good-faith contributors.

I will check back on you a year from now. Guido den Broeder (talk, visit) 16:14, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

From: Wikipedia:Editing restrictions.

• Topic ban - The user is prohibited from editing any page related to a particular topic, and may be blocked if they do so.

User talk pages, noticeboards etc. are not related to a topic, and are therefore exempt from topic bans. Guido den Broeder (talk, visit) 23:32, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see how the second sentence is supported by the quote. Any page surely means any page? Of course the talk pages of a topic are related to the topic, and a conversation in any space about that topic is also related to that topic. Also, your topic ban is quite specific about it including talk pages. Verbal chat 07:25, 30 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Grab a dictionary to see what 'page' means. Guido den Broeder (talk, visit) 08:32, 30 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

They are all web pages. Verbal chat 08:48, 30 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Exactly. Conversations, on the other hand, are not. Guido den Broeder (talk, visit) 09:07, 30 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The conversations happen on pages, and the pages become related by virtue of the topic being discussed. Verbal chat 09:10, 30 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Really? That's news to me. Who knows, the article on logic may have evolved since I last looked. Is an archive also related? Should I remove my affiliations, since surely my user page is then also related? But wait, a removal is also an edit. Can I no longer edit my respected user list since some of them at one time or another said something about the topics? Should I dismantle my wachtlist? Oops, I still have access to search. Am I no longer allowed to search for terms related to the topics? Can I still post about unrelated topics on a page where another user mentioned the topics? Houston, you have a problem. Guido den Broeder (talk, visit) 09:43, 30 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's been clearly explained and each of those cases should be obvious to you. If you breach it you will be reblocked. I'm not going to humour you any more. Good luck! Verbal chat 09:55, 30 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Then this is my last post on my own user talk page, since by your definition it is a related page, and you should probably punish me for it. I'll be using your user talk page instead, since it is still unrelated at this time. Oh my, I'm really not allowed to sign my posts anymore either, as that links to my user space. Guido den Broeder (talk, visit) 09:59, 30 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

GdB, I don't really want to get into this at all, but two things:

• You posted [11] a piece (possibly copvio, haven't looked into that) on a subject which you were readmitted on condition not to discuss. It doesn't matter where you choose to discuss it, the condition was to not discuss it. Please get beyond disputing whether that's fair or not, it just is - there's at least a million other topics you can engage on, but not that one, no matter what location you pick. Why would you choose to fight a war with the people who just unblocked you?
• And you're going down the same road again, leading the discussion into discussions about what the discussion is about. You can't keep splitting hairs about every word, people won't put up with it forever.

Are there any other areas here that interest you, other than CFS/ME and how badly you've been treated? My best advice is to just work on those for a while. I saw chess mentioned above. Or if you want to get technical, the board template totally kills some users 'cause there's so many images. Dial-up/older-OS users can't even read Chess, I can dig up the WP:VPT thread where that got mentioned. Fix that? Franamax (talk) 10:41, 30 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Unless you intent to be blocked I suggest you apologise for your edit summary removing the warning that was on this page! Verbal chat 21:49, 30 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]