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== Total Deaths ==

Who's idea was it to choose MSNBC's version of the body count over every other major news source, including Reuters and CNN? [[User:Robbeh|Bloo]] ([[User talk:Robbeh|talk]]) 12:53, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

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Article title

Per precident, the title of the article should probably be Colgan Air Flight 3407; see, for example Comair Flight 191. There's no rush to move the article there, but I will likely do so tomorrow ... unless there are strenuous objections. -- Flyguy649 talk 06:13, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

All of the media (including CNN live right now) are referring to it as a Continental Flight. I don't see why we wouldn't just use the formula Continental Airlines Flight 3407, operated by Colgan... Joshdboz (talk) 06:23, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Continental website doesn't even call it Colgan Air Flight 3407. They call it Continental Connection Flight 3407. The news reports call it Continental. So Colgan is a 3rd and worse choice.

[1] Read Seanwarner: Good night and good luck (talk) 06:26, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
And the medias wrong and so are you two. It was operated by Colgan Air, per policy it should be referred to as Colgan flight whatever —Preceding unsigned comment added by Seanwarner86 (talk • contribs) 06:28, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Wikiproject naming guidelines don't trump general Wikipedia guidelines, which instruct us to use the most common and recognizable name in English. Joshdboz (talk) 06:34, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I did a search under "Continental Express Flight 3407" and nothing came up so I started an article by that name only to find this one later. Why wasn't this one called by the correct title? Continental Express/Colgan is a separate airline from Continental. The two articles need to be merged now. Cla68 (talk) 06:38, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Because it is not a Continental Express flight. It is a Continental Connection flight. 24.247.120.89 (talk) 06:43, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The Associated Press got it wrong. Cla68 (talk) 06:45, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
This article needs to be called Colgan Air Flight 3407. Lets set this straight right now. This is not continental express. this airlie is not owned by continental airlines. this is a colgan air problem. Please call it properly. dont let the media dictate what an encyclopedic entry should be.--75.157.210.26 (talk) 06:49, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The only part they got wrong is stating that Continental is Dallas-based. Continental is Houston-based. Colgan Air was the airline involved in this accident and is a regional carrier that is contracted by Continental Airlines to fly flights under the banner of Continental Connection. Additionally, I think the "Continental Express Flight 3407" article should be removed...as the only carriers who fly under the banner of Continental Express are ExpressJet and Chautauqua and neither of them were involved in the crash. 24.247.120.89 (talk) 06:51, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The Continental Express Flight 3407 article cited the Associated Press and MSNBC and I've cited those refs in this article. --Pixelface (talk) 07:30, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wow. An move war over the name of this? Ridiculous! Both names redirect to the correct article. Make the article as good as it can be; the final name of it can be determined/decided later. -- Flyguy649 talk 06:53, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps "Continental Connection Flight 3407" would be more appropriate then, as official airline sources use this name. --Resplendent (talk) 06:57, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps.... I made it as a redirect here for now. All will be sorted out. -- Flyguy649 talk 07:05, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Please no name war now, it will be decided later thanks --Camilo Sanchez (talk) 07:14, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The bottom line is WP:V. What the majority of reliable sources call the flight, we call the flight. Since they call it Continental and not Colgan, it's not that complicated. The flight was "owned" by Continental. Colgan was just a subsidiary provider. Steven Walling (talk) 07:20, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
WP:V does not mean majority. Press reports are not necessarily reliable sources. And reliable sources (from those who know the difference) call it Colgan. HkCaGu (talk) 07:44, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

N200WQ

N200WQ should redirect here. 76.66.196.229 (talk) 06:47, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No need for the redirect. Aircraft registrations can be, and often are reissued. The unique identity of an individual aircraft is its construction number (c/n) or manufacturers serial number (msn). Mjroots (talk) 06:52, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It is highly unlikely that any other aircraft would be notable enough for an article so it is unlikely that another aircraft would appear here. And uniqueness isn't necessary for article names, which is why so many are disambiguated. 76.66.196.229 (talk) 06:56, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I've done it before; see for example PK-KKW. Blood Red Sandman (Talk) (Contribs) 07:45, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It's not the aircraft that is notable, it's the crash. If you were to follow this logic, the license plate of Pricess Diana's limo would have its own redirect.--76.216.9.107 (talk) 07:54, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Map

A map of the crash site would be nice. 76.66.196.229 (talk) 08:22, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Google Street View Map was added by me and later removed by a mod? Dividends (talk) 08:35, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
We can't use non-free images. -- Flyguy649 talk 08:41, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Correct address

Which address is correct? 6038 or 6050 Long Street? TouLouse (talk) 10:14, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

AFAIK, the only ref in the article that mentions an address is Buffalo News. But I don't think the address belongs in the article. --Pixelface (talk) 10:26, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Photo found latest

[2]Need to check the License.User:Yousaf465 Contacted photographer waiting for permission.User:Yousaf465

Google earth can it be used

Can I use google earth for the map ?User:Yousaf465

ATC archive

ATC archive are ava. at [3] User:Yousaf465

Prior to the crash, the voice of a female pilot on Continental flight 3407 can be heard communicating with air traffic controllers, according to a recording of the Buffalo air traffic control’s radio messages shortly before the crash captured by the Web site www.liveatc.net. Neither the controller nor the pilot exchange any concerns that anything is out of the ordinary as the airplane is asked to fly at 2,300 feet.

A minute later, the controller tries to contact the plane saying but hears no response. After a pause, he tries to contact the plane again.

Then the controller asks the pilot of a nearby Delta Air Lines plane to see if he can see the Continental flight.

“Delta 1998, look off your right side about 5 miles for a Dash 8 about 2,300 (feet). You see anything there?” he asks.

“Uh, negative,” the Delta pilot says

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Total Deaths

Who's idea was it to choose MSNBC's version of the body count over every other major news source, including Reuters and CNN? Bloo (talk) 12:53, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]