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== Title, origin, language and name ==
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Title, origin, language and name

Maybe we can rename to Apu Nahasapeemapetilon, since he is really the central character of main interest to the whole family.--Sonjaaa 22:12, Nov 26, 2004 (UTC)

Definitely. ed g2stalk 08:38, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)

The name "Aputo" was inspired by from the character Apu from the Apu Trilogy by Satyajit Ray, the most famous filmic work to come out of india. I think the name Apu (as oppossed to Apu Nahasapeemapetilon) should be reserved for that original character.

"one cannot be both Bengali and Pakistani; also, since he is Indian, he cannot be Pakistani" is not completely true. Bengal was once Pakistan and was earlier India.

  • On the same note as above, "There are many hidden jokes in the show that play off his hate of Pakistan and Bangladesh, which Apu has been called a 'Jolly Bengali' and, paradoxically, a 'Pakistani'. (one cannot be both Bengali and Pakistani; also, since he is Indian, he cannot be Pakistani)" doesn't seem to make much sense to me - someone who understands it better than I, please rewrite. --Superiority 13:40, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
The joke is probably that Apu is Indian but often other characters refer to him as being Pakistani as well as Bengali to make a joke of their ignorance. It's mabye not written in the clearest way but it does make sense for the most part. It should probably be added back in because I'm pretty sure Apus ethic origin is one of the running jokes in The Simpsons--FlooK 06:08, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
It is however possible to be an Indian and Bengali as West Bengal (the part that did not got o Pakistan and eventuially become Bangladesh) is a state in India today. Calcutta is the state capital - CalTech!! :)) Thanks, Anit

You can certainly be Bengali and from Bangladesh. You do realize that the world BANGLADESH means Bengal Nation.

The only reason the writers use Jolly Bengali is simply cause it rhymes. Writers will throw away continuity for a one time joke if they feel it's funny enough.

Manjula speaks Hindi but it's never firmly established what Indian language Apu speaks so I removed the sentence "He probably speaks Tamil." 4.142.78.191 22:09, 31 August 2007 (UTC)eric

You can be Bengali and Pakistani at the same time.

Vegan or vegetarian?

IS Apu vegan or vegetarian? most indians do drink milk, and eat honey.

From the epsiode Lisa the Vegetarian:
Lisa: When will all those fools learn that you can be perfectly healthy simply eating vegetables, fruits, grains and cheese.
Apu: Oh, cheese!
Lisa: You don't eat cheese, Apu?
Apu: No I don't eat any food that comes from an animal.
So I'd say that means he's vegan. Vclaw 02:09, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Voice

hey who is apu voiced by in the show

Hank Azaria does Apu's voice. rebug (talk) 07:08, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

I don't want to muddy the waters here, but I'm almost sure Apu is actually voiced by Dan Castellaneta. It sounds more like Dan than Hank, although Dan has been known to voice other characters (such as McBain) when the usual actor isn't available. Danny Darko 15:57, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

- On the "Inside the Actor's Studio" episode featuring the Simpsons' cast it is made explicitly clear that Hank Azaria does the voice of Apu.Adiosmofo (talk) 14:51, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Don't Hindus have to drink milk for some religious festivals? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.120.116.177 (talk) 12:14, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

You can find Inside the Actor's Studio mentionned above in Youtube Staarkali (talk) 06:38, 11 September 2008 (UTC)Staarkali

Surname

Guys I think the text about the first names/ surname in the family background section is pehaps incorrect - the surname (Nahasapeemapetilon) is very south Indian sounding, where as the first name (Apu) could be Bengali. Thanks, Anit

I'd like to echo Anit. Apu is a Bengali name, but Nahasapeemapetilon is not. Acsenray 21:22, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Another thing about the surname...In some episodes, for example Treehouse of Horror IX, his name is said "Nahasapasapeemapetilon". Is there any official word on what his last name really is? --CrazySunShine 02:15, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

(Hmm, the official site says it without the "pasa". I guess it's just one of those things that are given multiple names and overlooked, like the address not always being 742 Evergreen Terrace.) --CrazySunShine 10:20, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure that the 'Nahasa...pasa...peemapetilon' line was a joke to convey the igno..ramo..rance of the speaker.--Anchoress 04:56, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

I've added a link to an article about Apu. It is a blog entry, but nevertheless it is a very high-quality piece and one of very few on the topic of Apu. However, if folks feel it isn't worthy of remaining on the main page, here's the link: Much Apu About Nothing--Anchoress 10:25, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Beaumarché is also a famous french writter


In one episode (I think it was the one where Lisa gets a pony) Apu appears to be sleeping with a woman. Is this true, or was I imagining it? -- The pathetic APclark Be nice not nasty 18:49, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

The followup: After doing five minutes research, I've managed to track down the episode - Lisa's Pony on The Simpsons Archive and it seems that - as well as the fact Apu is sleeping with someone - that someone is Princess Cashmere (or Kashmir) (from Homer's Night Out). This info is going to be put into the article.

The followup [2]: Seems like it already has. Anyway it can go into the other episodes' articles. -- The pathetic APclark Be nice not nasty 18:58, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Apu's first wife?

If I recalll correctly(from what my brother told me), in the episode "Much Apu About Nothing," Apu was already married to a different woman. In the Fox airing of the episode, Apu saying goodbye to his parents in, as well to a rather small woman in a flashback. There was a line from either Apu or the woman that indiciated that she was his wife. However, this scene is cut out in the syndicated episodes; as some of you know, a few seconds of every episode is cut out when shown as reruns on a different network.

I am wondering if this scene can be seen on the DVD release and if it is accruate, should be add this info on Apu's article since it seems like a rather important trivia --Doomzaber 01:45, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

I own the DVD of seaon 7(where this episode aired). That was indeed Manjula, on the commentary though the writer says that was just a one time joke at the time. TJ Spyke 22:17, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Thank you, come again!

Was changed to 'thank you, please come again', and the original labelled 'not quite vandalism. The thing is, I'm pretty sure 'thank you, come again' is correct. A google search for each returns hundreds for '"thank you come again" apu' and 43 for '"thank you please come again" apu'. And I'm watching the Simpsons right now and he just said 'thank you, come again'.--Anchoress 03:09, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

I reverted that because there was a stray line break in it. He definitely uses both phrases though, so how about something like 'thank you, [please] come again'? -- drrngrvy tlk @ 03:39, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
I honestly don't remember him ever saying please, but I'm definitely not going to be rigid about it, if you are certain he says both, go ahead and add it. Sorry to take so long to reply.--Anchoress 23:44, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Superman

I'm removing the line about Superman having nothing to do with America because he was made by a Canadian, as Clark Kent is American and a very American super hero (works directly for the President sometimes). Highlandlord 07:51, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Apu de Beaumarchais

The article currently lists this name as a reference to a French author, but I'm more inclined to believe the explanation that I first read in Homer's_Barbershop_Quartet, that it is a reference to the Kwik-E-Mart (de Beaumarchais -> of the good market)

That's quite interesting, I agree that the link with Pierre Beaumarchais seems tenuous at best. I looked through that article and cannot see any connection or joke that they may have been using. I don't know much French so I'll have to take your word for the Translation, but if it's accurate then it should be added as a possible explanation, as it does seem much more likely. --Hibernian 03:51, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Caltech was linking to ...err... you know California Institute of Technology which is a travesty, so I removed the link.

I also changed the Tamil reference to South Indian, since South Indians do tend to have long names; Tamils are one race of people from South India, but there are no specific references anywhere to clearly state that he was Tamil.

I agree this is probably not a reference to the author but because it means Pretty Market => Beau marché => Beaumarchais (French family name). The particule De is used to emphasize the nobility of the name, it is the French equivalent of the Dutch Van (as in Milhouse Van Houten) or German Von Staarkali (talk) 06:36, 11 September 2008 (UTC)Staarkali

The Party

I highly doubt that Apu Nahasapeemapetilon was based on Peter Sellers' character in 'The Party'. I say this because his character in that movie - and basically all of the movies he acted in - was not exactly the most intelligent person on earth, was very foolish, and always did stupid things by accident. Simply put: The character was a clutz. Apu's character is far from being a clutz, however, and besides the accent, I really can't see any other similarity. Perhaps that information should be removed. -- Sandwiches99 23:33, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

why does "apu" redirect here?

This 'apu' character is named after the Apu from India's greatest cinematographic work, (see the "Apu Trilogy" page) the Apu trilogy directed by Satyajit Ray. It seems to me that there should be a little sentence at the top of that page saying "apu" redirects here, for the simpson's character Apu Nahasapeemapetilon click here - not the other way around. 128.252.188.235 14:11, 19 October 2006 (UTC)Vir

Apu simpsons is much more common that the films list here WP:RFD if you feel strongly enough about it (Gnevin 18:14, 19 October 2006 (UTC))

Manjula

Why does manjula redirects here? Its an indian name and a popular kannada movie star...--IndianCow 17:47, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Manjula is much more common that the films list here WP:RFD if you feel strongly enough about it (Gnevin 18:14, 19 October 2006 (UTC))

Clarification of Name

I just listened to the commentary for Streetcar Named Marge. Jeff Martin refers to Pahasadee Napetilon (as spelled in commentary subtitles), not Pahasa Neemapetilon as previously written. I have changed accordingly. While the pronounciation should now be correct, the spelling from the DVD subtitles is not authoratative -- so please correct if you know proper spellings of these names. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 218.215.23.202 (talk) 02:33, 8 February 2007 (UTC).

Age

I don't think Apu is 42. He's definitely younger that that-Jcdizon 19:32, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

It was revealed in Much Apu About Nothing that he was born in February 9, 1964. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.59.112.181 (talk) 21:47, 14 May 2007 (UTC).
That is 32 years. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Praseprase (talk • contribs) 00:14, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Regional Heritage

I removed the syllogistic line stating that Apu is South Indian because his cousin lives in Bangalore. The logic is weak and uninformed. Bangalore has one of the most regionally diverse populations of any major Indian city. Thus, after "The Jolly Bengali" vignette, his college education in West Bengal, and the fact that he was named after a young Bengali character in the Apu Trilogy, I don't believe having a cousin in Bangalore is indicative of South Indian heritage. Of course, he is a fictitious character based on an amalgam of exaggerated, blended stereotypes for comic effect, so why does it matter? 128.103.14.47 18:53, 3 May 2007 (UTC)


Hair Color

Apu's hair is gray, not black.

Actually, He wears a wig. See The episode "homer and apu"68.4.42.99 03:22, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Be Sharps and arriving in '88

The article says:

"He is proprietor of the Springfield Kwik-E-Mart, a local convenience store. An immigrant from India who arrived in 1988, he is, like most Simpsons characters, a caricature of a common stereotype of the Indian convenience-store owner."

But lower down it says:

During the early 1980s, Apu was a member of the barbershop quartet The Be Sharps, along with Homer Simpson, Barney Gumble and Seymour Skinner.

How is this discrepancy resolved? —Preceding unsigned comment added by W3bbo (talk • contribs) 15:25, August 25, 2007 (UTC)

It's "resolved" by the fact that it's The Simpsons and there are conflicting dates/timelines for just about every character. It's part of the show.Adiosmofo (talk) 14:55, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Owner, or not, of the Kwik-E-Mart

From a Refdesk question: is he or is he not the owners. This article calls him "proprietor", but notes he joined KEM when a student. Refdesk answers indicate he has from time to time his employment has been terminated. The word proprietor in the article lead paras might need to be readdressed, and/or the whole thing clarified. --Tagishsimon (talk) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tagishsimon (talk • contribs) 13:03, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Infidelity

Why does the article say that there are two instances of infidelity? I only recall him cheating once. I am changing the article to reflect this. Emperor001 18:21, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Memory?

In the episode Marge in Chains, it is shown that Apu may have total recall. He mentions knowing pi to 40000 places and can recite what Lionel Hutz's tie looked like after one glance. The clip can be found at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9ykXQRmnCI. Since this is a unique attribute, we should probably mention it.

Contradiction?

Compare

An immigrant from India who arrived in 1988 ...

and

During the early 1980s, Apu was a member of the barbershop quartet The Be Sharps, along with Homer Simpson, Barney Gumble and Seymour Skinner.

Anyone else see the contradiction here? -- Stormwatch (talk) 21:44, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

The Simpsons have a floating time line, they do that kind of thing all the time. If the writers wanted Apu to be in Springfield of the 50's they would put him in. Rhino131 (talk) 23:19, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Creation

This: "Originally, Apu being Indian was thought to be too offensive and stereotypical and was going to be changed, but Hank Azaria's reading of the line "Hello, Mr. Homer" received a huge laugh, and so the concept stayed."

seems to contradict what's said in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e641aQp8zGI —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.112.63.151 (talk) 12:52, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Ownership and co-worker

in the episode "Homer and Apu" where Apu loses his job, it's because he's fired. im not sure how ownership/proprietorship/franchising work, but i don't think he can be fired if he's the owner of the store. the guys who fire him say they're from Corporate, and Apu and Homer travel to meet Kwik-E's CEO/president in india. perhaps "owner" and "proprietor" should be changed in the text and infobox. also it's the same person who fires Apu that stops him from eating the hot dog. he's not just another "worker" if he comes from corporate and is above apu. plus, apu never actually got the hot dog into his mouth, so the line should be changed to "tried to eat...". Ivansevil (talk) 00:26, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Contraversy

Apu has created some real contraversy in N. Am. and the UK. I'm not sure if the absence of any mention of this is an act of denial or not. Here are some examples of what I mean:

There are plenty of stereotypes in the show. But it seems that although every character's role is arbitrary (the black characters are not pimps, rappers, or drug dealers, they're a doctor, a cop, and a factory worker), Apu's is not.

We know that these characters' jobs aren't based on any stereotypes Americans may have of black people. Apu's job as a corner store owner/clerk is arguably based on his race. There's no other Indian character (such as a lawyer) to counter this.

He's made comments such as : "That smell [of Maggie's dirty diaper] is the worst I've ever experienced, and I'm from India!"

His accent is based on Peter Sellers crude attempt at imitating an Indian man, and that this sterotypical accent (and the saying "Thank you, come again") have become very popular among members of other races.

We know that 7-11 used the character of Apu (thus taking a cartoon into the real world) and the Kwik-e-mart to promote the movie by temporarily renovating some stores and installing standing representations of the character and asking employees to repeat the famous saying "Thank you, come again".

http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/manish_vij/2007/07/the_apu_tragedy.html

Any reason why no contraversy is mentioned? He's frustrated enough people that you can Google it. Wjserson, 13/06/08

It's not denial, a large part of the reason no controversy is mentioned is because in order to have a good controversy section you need several reliable third party sources, and there really aren't a lot out there that mention a true controversy. Having an unsourced controversy section is a violation of WP:NOR and mostly WP:NPOV. -- Scorpion0422 16:56, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

http://www.racewire.org/archives/2007/07/cnn_misses_the_point_of_the_7e_1.html

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Wjserson (talk • contribs) 14:25, 27 June 2008 (UTC)