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Per debate and discussion re: assessment of the approximate 100 top priority articles of the project, this article has been included as a top priority article. Wildhartlivie (talk) 06:56, 1 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

He has Lung cancer i just found out today, put in the page —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.14.23.45 (talk) 14:18, 9 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Article now has cancer mention. Here's a much longer and more detailed AP story about the cancer news than the one footnoted in the article.[1] --71.175.28.121 (talk) 01:55, 12 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Revert all sock puppet additions in this 92.8 to 92.12 IP range.

~ WikiDon (talk) 08:09, 21 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There is no foundation for Newman's health being at the point where he is confined to a wheelchair. The link offered by the IP is to the the Sun, which has been determined not to be a reliable source, it is a tabloid. Secondly, the article accompanying the photo says specifically that the photo is taken as Newman is leaving Sloane-Kettering Clinic after his treatment. When most American hospitals release patients from treatment, they are wheeled out in a wheelchair. There is nothing in the article to support the claim he is "confined" to the chair. Wildhartlivie (talk) 12:12, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

He only has weeks to live now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.12.162.167 (talk) 17:43, 8 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Can we now assume it is true that he has lung cancer; that he is terminal; that he will die this year? Whilst he and his staff have not admitted it, many people try to keep such diagnoses/prognoses secret. If it were untrue, he or his people would have clearly made a statement to that effect. There have been many media reports this year stating he has lung cancer, and he would almost certainly have taken legal action against the organisations who stated he has lung cancer, had he never been diagnosed with it. The vast majority of lung cancer cases are fatal. The large majority of lung cancer cases are caused by smoking: does he currently smoke? If not, how long did he smoke for, and roughly how many cigarettes per day? This man is very famous; he had a long, successful career; the public, including Wikipedia readers, are entitled to know the truth about this man's health, diseases, life and future death.Werdnawerdna (talk) 14:24, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

per above, we need to stick with reliable sources. WP:BLP still applies, and I suggest we wait and see, without speculating. --Rodhullandemu 14:31, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. We can't assume anything that we can't reliably source. Drawing these conclusions is beyond the scope of an encyclopedic article. As I say this, I want to go on record right now about the smoking, diagnoses and original research. The article currently states "it was widely reported that Newman, a former chain smoker, had been diagnosed with lung cancer and was receiving treatment." This is all we know. Unless Newman goes on record to say "the doctors told me that all of that smoking has caused lung cancer, from which I'm going to die" or "I think the smoking caused the cancer", we do not have the sourcing, nor the facts from it, to draw any further conclusions. It doesn't matter for purposes of this biography how long he smoked nor how many cigarettes a day, especially considering people die every day from lung cancer for whom cigarettes do not apply. To connect Newman, 2 packs a day, 40 years and lung cancer constitutes original research per WP definition. Finally, WP:V says The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth. There are few basic Wikipedia tenets that outweigh this. Wildhartlivie (talk) 16:17, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's pretty clear from his appearance that he has cancer. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.12.53.15 (talk) 18:51, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, then we have a reliable source. Wildhartlivie (talk) 19:49, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This article,toward the end, states that Mr. Newman son Neil will be taking charge of Newman's Own. I believe it should say daughter Nell, since there is no living son. I don't trust my skills enough to tamper with the article itself. If someone reads this, and makes the correction, please feel free to delete my comment. Loujen (talk) 22:29, 9 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

He died the 27th of September, not the 26th even if you are in Australia the date must be referred to the location of his death ( America ), 27th of september 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.183.136.193 (talk) 15:59, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The most important fact is that he died the 27th, and not the 26th of September. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.183.136.193 (talk) 15:56, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It really is sick that people jump on this and rush to be the first to add it. The BBC story was 16.43 and I saw it at 16.51. Someone said to me "I bet it's on Wikipedia already" but I refused to believe them. I looked at 16.51 and here it is. Seriously, people, get a life. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.232.235.75 (talk) 15:52, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have modified his death date, but the reference is in Spanish. If you can add a better reference, you can do it. Thanks you--Nico89abc (talk) 13:18, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think we should be so hasty in reporting Paul's alleged death. I haven't seen a single credible source yet. We should wait until we get some hard confirmation. Ackatsis (talk) 13:32, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Agree, a second-hand report of an email is not a reliable source. If necessary, the article will be fully protected per WP:BLP until we have one. --Rodhullandemu 13:36, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I requested the semi-protection because at the time, the changes were from mostly IPs. There hasn't been a report published in any reliable source yet, but we can certainly ask for full protection. I'm sure Newman would appreciate any extra time. Wildhartlivie (talk) 13:39, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

here's another source: http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/080927/nysa002.html?.v=101 love & light to the man Sssoul (talk) 13:51, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

the bbc's got it now too: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7639614.stm

in case either/both of those are deemed prefereable for English-language wikipedia than the current Italian & Spanish refs ... Sssoul (talk) 14:09, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

CNN report here. Fox News report here. Reuters report here. Regards, Anameofmyveryown (talk) 14:42, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Newman's death was verifiably sourced and cited - yet you guys locked the article and savagely beat back all attempts to correctly include the sorced info. There was no question about the Reliable Source status of the reports - just a blanket statement, unsupported, unreferenced and unsubstantiated about no RS, yet. Why not just put a big sign up, "Newman Fanclub Members Only". This little incident, and the reluctance to properly report facts, inconvenient facts for some apparently, is just another example of Wiki's failure, it's apparent inability to rise above the pettiness of the gatekeepers that seize ownership. The Wiki game will always keep the project burdened with mediocrity and unable to rise above itself.70.131.53.37 (talk) 14:34, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(ec)This is just not true; I've been watching this article for several hours, and only in the last 40 minutes has anyone cited a reliable source for his death. It's only just hit the BBC in the UK. WP:BLP and WP:V policies say we insist on reliable sources, and I suggest you learn to live with that. --Rodhullandemu 14:40, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Is this another case of Wikipedia breaking news? The first mention of his passing was added at 02:46, 27 September 2008, which would still be September 26 in the US. And I don't see any sources reporting this before Sept. 27. Joshdboz (talk) 14:38, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This was one of the early cites that was rejected:[2], how did it fail RS?70.131.53.37 (talk) 14:50, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A Google translation:

This morning at 7.30 (Italian time, 5:30 GMT) I received an email from the United States in which it informs me that Paul Newman is not over between us," Manes said.

An email reported second-hand is not regarded as a reliable source, since we have no way of knowing whether it's genuine. --Rodhullandemu 14:57, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Your excuse and selective edit are faulty, this is the part you left on the editing room floor:

"The American actor Paul Newman passed away in the United States, announced east Saturday Vincenzo Manes, president of the foundation Dynamo Camp de Limestre ... founded by the star of Hollywood."

It was a public announcement made by a close family friend and reported in the mainstream media. That he mentioned the type of communication used to convey the information is immaterial. He, Vincenzo Manes, is unquestionably a reliable source, reported by a reliable source. Objecting to the family's way of communicating the info is a nonstarter.70.131.53.37 (talk) 16:04, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

His death is now widely reported by the mainstream national and international media, the cause stated as cancer. There is no doubt that it was lung cancer; earlier this year, many media sources reported he has lung cancer; the version of this article on German Wikipedia states he died of lung cancer. Werdnawerdna (talk) 15:40, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The statement by the CEO of Newman's Own on Newman's Death on CNN at aproximately 10:45 a.m. today, September 27, 2008, indicates the amount raised for charity is now in excess of $250 Million (not $220 million as quoted in the current article about Paul Newman).

Thank you, Chad J. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chadsj (talk • contribs) 14:53, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]