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{{cquote|When [[Kevin Oldham]], a gay musician, died of AIDS-related causes in 1993, Phelps Sr. sent a photo of Kevin to his parents. The photo contained the caption: "Kevin Oldham: Dead Fag".<ref>[http://cjonline.com/webindepth/phelps/stories/080394_phelps06.shtml Grieving family forced to deal with Phelps.] 'The Capital Journal''. (August 3, 1994).</ref>}}
{{cquote|When [[Kevin Oldham]], a gay musician, died of AIDS-related causes in 1993, Phelps Sr. sent a photo of Kevin to his parents. The photo contained the caption: "Kevin Oldham: Dead Fag".<ref>[http://cjonline.com/webindepth/phelps/stories/080394_phelps06.shtml Grieving family forced to deal with Phelps.] 'The Capital Journal''. (August 3, 1994).</ref>}}
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I've removed the above as it doesn't seem that notable, may it could be utilized as an example elsewhere if really needed. [[User:Benjiboi|<small><u style="text-decoration:none;font-family: papyrus;color:#CC00CC">Banje</u></small>]][[User_talk:Benjiboi|<u style="font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:#8000FF">boi</u>]] 00:47, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
I've removed the above as it doesn't seem that notable, maybe it could be utilized as an example elsewhere if really needed. [[User:Benjiboi|<small><u style="text-decoration:none;font-family: papyrus;color:#CC00CC">Banje</u></small>]][[User_talk:Benjiboi|<u style="font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:#8000FF">boi</u>]] 00:47, 3 July 2008 (UTC)


== Parodies in external links ==
== Parodies in external links ==

Revision as of 12:28, 6 July 2008

Former featured article candidateWestboro Baptist Church is a former featured article candidate. Please view the links under Article milestones below to see why the nomination was archived. For older candidates, please check the archive.
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August 25, 2005Articles for deletionSpeedily kept
August 25, 2005Featured article candidateNot promoted
May 21, 2006Featured article candidateNot promoted
Current status: Former featured article candidate
Archive
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  2. January - August 2006
  3. September - December 2006
  4. January 2007 - June 2007
  5. July - November 2007
  6. November 2007 - April 2008
  7. April 2008 - present

POV?

I think some slogans from the article are somewhat POV. Dexcribing their biblical interepretation as "eisigesis" surely comes under this. There are other issues as well, but I can't remeber what they were. DanCrowter 20:48, 2 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This article still has some major POV issues. For instance, the photo description stating ___ has been arrested for assault seems unhelpful to understanding that image. It may be ok for the text of the article though. Banjeboi 14:42, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Update, I trimmed off the photo caption and made some other fixes. More eyes looking to neutralize content is appreciated. Banjeboi 12:26, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Anti-semitism and Anti-Christian section

This section is unclear. How and what makes the WBC anti-Christian? The WBC is not only a Christian organization but this section doesn't provide any evidence as to how they are anti-Christian. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 154.20.192.190 (talk) 14:46, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Check out this Hitler quote: "The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.... "
http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/mischedj/ca_hitler.html In other words, being anti-Jewish is also anti-Christian and anti-Bolshevik because Jews came up with both. Jesus was a Jew, and so was Marx. --69.234.208.72 (talk) 19:09, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I've remeved the "Anti-Christian" tag from this section. The controversial theory above aside, I can't see anything in this section which relates to Christianity.
Indeed, I wonder if it should be Anti-Judaism - the term "antisemitism" to me means persecution of Jews as a race, rather than as a faith, whereas the content of this section seems to largely relate to the faith, not the race. A flick through our articles on the topics does seem to put persecution of the Jewish faith under antisemitism (as Religious antisemitism), though, so maybe this is right. TSP (talk) 19:18, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It's still anti-Christian. Christianity came from Judaism. Christianity is the result of the Jewish Messiah's teachings. --69.234.208.72 (talk) 19:24, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That may technically be true, but nevertheless appending every instance of "antisemitism" in the encyclopedia with "...and anti-Christianity" to reflect this belief would be going too far. TSP (talk) 19:59, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WBC isn't so much anti-Christian as it is non-Christian. The beliefs of its members conflict a lot with mainstream Christianity, but the church isn't actively against Christianity, which means it isn't anti-Christian. --clpo13(talk) 20:07, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sources Out of Date

Half of the sources I've tried to go to are invalid. We need to find some more up to date information -Nightfighter89 (talk) 20:17, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

ref?

CHRISTINA E. WELLS: Privacy and Funeral Protests, University of Missouri School of Law, Legal Studies Research Paper No. 2008-06, North Carolina Law Review, Vol. 87, 2008 - Cherubino (talk) 22:52, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]


site hacked?

Site of anti-homosexual propagandist Fred Phelps of Topeka, Kansas, who styles himself and his followers as a "Baptist Church."-This is what you get when you google westboro. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.125.155.103 (talk) 16:07, 2 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Kevin Oldham

  1. ^ Grieving family forced to deal with Phelps. 'The Capital Journal. (August 3, 1994).

I've removed the above as it doesn't seem that notable, maybe it could be utilized as an example elsewhere if really needed. Banjeboi 00:47, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think those should be removed and converted to content and references in the parodies section instead. Banjeboi 00:57, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Article split?

This article is getting quite large, it may make sense to split off a chunk into a separate article. As a suggestion I think something just on the funeral picketing would work as it could include several sections including the announced protests and reactions. Banjeboi 00:59, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What I'm suggesting is that these individuals don't deserve the publicity of an article in the first place. As for splitting the article, I cannot agree with this idea. The larger and less readable the article is, the less likely it is to be read. In the case of the Westboro Baptist Church, I am fully in favour of obscuring their intentions through limiting their scope with a sickly large article. Swamilive (talk) 03:09, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia isn't here for publicity but to share knowledge. Many of the subjects we write about have detractors and critics but we don't censored and we don't purposely create bad articles as a reflection on those subjects. If you're unable or unwilling to add constructively to improving the article then it's probably wise to move onto subjects you feel more willing to improve. This article is here and will be improved. Banjeboi 20:56, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]