Now that you are here, I hope you will begin to contribute to cricket articles :-) Tintin (talk) 16:58, 4 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, Tintin, based on our findings over on Usenet, I'm putting together a reconstruction of the 1882 Ashes match. --Robertson-Glasgow 11:16, 5 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

WG made also sorts of financial demands when he toured Australia and made himself very unpopular there. I remember reading about that somewhere but I don't personally own any books about WG so I can't check it out. You would be best to ask for help on [1]. All the best. --BlackJack | ^{talk page} 19:22, 4 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers, mate, Robertson-Glasgow 11:15, 5 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hello again. I noticed that your signature shows up as a red link. I don't know if you are aware but you can create a user page in which you may add info about yourself or the articles you are working on or links to useful features in Wikipedia. There is plenty of help and advice available if you want to set up a user page but it isn't obligatory. Best wishes. --BlackJack | ^{talk page} 09:30, 5 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I'll get around to that when I need something to do. Cheers, Robertson-Glasgow 11:14, 5 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Yes I do (I was coincidentally having a browse of it again a couple of days ago). I'll get it out tonight. Regards — Moondyne 01:11, 6 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, mate. I wait with bated breath. Cheers, Robertson-Glasgow 07:12, 6 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi R-G. Sorry for the delay but I've got it now (I had a small family crisis last night and with all the commotion I confess it slipped my mind!). If you could email me - use the "E-mail this user" button on the left (on my user page), I'll reply by email with a .pdf attachment. It'll be a scan of the whole chapter on the 1882 tour (~10 pages). It's about 9pm here now so it won't be until tomorrow morning Perth time (ie. in 12 hours). Regards. — Moondyne 12:53, 7 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Its on its way! — Moondyne 01:29, 8 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Cashman should have an article too ! Tintin (talk) 07:33, 6 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think that I could help with that. There's a fair amount of biographical information about him on the web. Cheers, Robertson-Glasgow 07:37, 6 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Agree. Cashman's got a fair body of work now and he does make a good read. Remember to quote some reviews of his work by others so he meets notability criteria - see WP:BIO. — Moondyne 13:02, 7 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

On the newsgroup uk.sport.cricket, someone called Cicero is offering a copy of Grubb's book C.T. Studd Cricketer and Pioneer free to a good home. I thought that you might be interested. JH 11:21, 23 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks a lot, John. Your message in one of the other groups alerted me to this and I've taken full advantage. Cheers, Robertson-Glasgow 01:19, 31 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the Thornton extract. Tintin 19:14, 24 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Certainly. Do you need anything else, mate? I'm always generous when it comes to cricket and its illustrious history. Robertson-Glasgow 15:04, 26 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

We don't yet have an article on Thornton. So may be we should do one on him ? Tintin 03:21, 4 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Great idea. I've got a definitive article on him by Gerald Brodribb, as well as Thornton's "Talk" with A.W. Pullin. Unfortunately, I am uncertain as to how I am supposed to set up an article, and I have very little time to read the instructions on how to do so. If you could open a page for Thornton, I would gladly do the rest when I have the time. Robertson-Glasgow 08:21, 4 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Albinomonkey. I was browsing through the list of books that you own on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Cricket/Library and wondered if you might have a look through them for information on Spofforth and the 1882 Test Match for me. Thanks, Robertson-Glasgow 12:17, 11 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No problem I'll have a look through them tomorrow morning - is it his work in that specific match you are solely interested in, or Spofforth in general? – AlbinoMonkey ^(Talk) 13:04, 11 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No, just that match, please. Thanks a lot, mate. Robertson-Glasgow 16:57, 11 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There is quite a bit in the books I have on that match, I've got the best parts about Spofforth's contributions here – if there's anything else you're after just ask.

Australian Cricket: The Game and the Players

200 Seasons of Australian Cricket

Hope they help... if there's anything else you need, just let me know. – AlbinoMonkey ^(Talk) 00:18, 12 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks a lot for helping me out with that, Albinomonkey; it really is much appreciated, and I will put it to good use in the relevant Wikipedia articles. I would be extra-grateful, though, if you would cite the page numbers of the books from which those quotations came and see if that C.P. Moody fellow is quoted any further in Australian Cricket. What you reproduced there was the first from him about this match that I have ever read, and I would be interested to see if he has more to say.

Also, would you mind seeing if there is any information on the following two points of interest in that match? Firstly, do your sources have anything to say about C.T. Studd's supposed nervousness in waiting to go out to bat - if A.N. Hornby is quoted on that, it would be quite brilliant - and, secondly, what about something on the controversial run-out of Sammy Jones by W.G. Grace (of special interest being umpire Thoms's rejoinder to the Doctor's appeal)? I am probably getting a trifle greedy in asking this of you, but a million thanks nonetheless. Robertson-Glasgow 17:03, 12 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry it slipped my mind to add the page numbers, they are (in order of the quotes above): p946, pp371-372, p55 and p57. There is a little further from Moody (p.372 of Australian Cricket: The Game and the Players):

The bibliography of this book lists a couple of books by Moody if you would be so interested as to search for them: Australian Cricket and Cricketers (Adelaide, 1894) and Cricket Album of Noted Australian Cricketers (Adelaide, 1905).

No quote from Hornby about Studd, but there is this from E.Peate (p372 again):

I think the alleged death in the crowd and the man chewing through his umbrella are mentioned in our article, but my book also says that "the scorer's hand trembled so that he wrote Peate's name as "Geese"" (p372), if that's of any interest at all.

Both books mention the contentious run out:

AC:Game and Players (p.371):

(p. 560):

200 Seasons (p 55):

Hope that's helpful. – AlbinoMonkey ^(Talk) 04:39, 13 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I really cannot thank you enough, and I am more than willing to return the favour if needs be; my cricket library is almost 700-books strong, so I should think that, if there is anything about which you would like to know, I would be able to help you. Nevertheless, many thanks once again, sir. Robertson-Glasgow 04:48, 13 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks for your helpful contributions. JH (talk page) 19:50, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

His family called him "Gilby"

Is this true ? There was a famous occasion when Martha Grace admonished him after he got out, "Willie, Willie, haven't I told you over and over how to play that stroke ?". Tintin 15:50, 5 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I added a fact tag just in case you take too long to come back. Feel free to remove it if you are certain about it. Tintin 16:01, 5 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Looks okay now. Tintin 14:19, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

CK Nayudu apparently hit a 150 yard six in the Madras Presidency Match in 1921. Does Hit for Six say anything about it, specifically, does Brodribb agree with the distance ? Tintin 03:50, 16 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. My source says that the hit was easily above 150 yards from the batting crease. So I'll have to go with that even if it may not be entirely accurate. Tintin 17:15, 16 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As somebody once famously said. I believe that it's usual in American English to put full stops in abbreviations such as "MCG", but it's not usual in British English. Personally, I think that "MCG" looks much better than "M.C.G.", but YMMV (or Y.M.M.V.). :) JH (talk page) 09:00, 20 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. JH (talk page) 12:48, 20 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Following our discussion on rsc, the first draft of the article is now up. Please feel free to expand it with anything you feel is appropriate. JH (talk page) 19:59, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I'll take a look at it. JH (talk page) 08:41, 3 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm looking at it now. Thanks for your hard work. It's now a very substantial article. A few points:

• Do we have a more reliable source for the "Lion Hitter" apellation than the seemingly not altogether reliable memory of one man?
• You must have a second source for the 1861-2 paragraph, as there's now more there than seemed to be in the one that I unearthed. That second source ought to be cited.
• After both of our efforts at chopping the article about, I'm not sure that all the footnotes are still in the right place in the text. (BTW, I think that the Wiki convention is that they should only be placed at the end of a paragraph, not in the middle of one.One solution might be to break the text into smaller paragraphs.)
• You're a romanticist in the Cardus tradition, :) but that doesn't always sit easily in an encyclopaedia article. I've toned down or snipped a few of the more florid bits, but it's still a bit POV in places.

JH (talk page) 10:00, 3 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Good luck with the exams! JH (talk page) 12:58, 3 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

RG, just adding a tag won't help. Only admins can protect or semiprotect a page and they have an extra button (invisible to ordinary editors) for that. The tag is added just as a notice. Leave a note in WT:CRIC if you want to protect it. Tintin 06:55, 17 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Tintin is correct. I've given it a 14 day semi-protection (established users only can now edit it) to see if things calm down a bit. —Moondyne 10:24, 17 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

He now has an article. :) JH (talk page) 20:07, 18 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. JH (talk page) 08:16, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"Many would dub that a preposterous understatement." That doesn't seem very encyclopaedic in tone, especially the "preposterous". And the "many would dub" might be called "weasel words" by the unsympathetic. JH (talk page) 21:05, 18 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have the Don Bradman and Alan Kippax pages on your watchlist ? They have undergone substantial changes in the recent past (and Bradman has spawned off half a dozen offsprings) which you should be interested in. Tintin 08:17, 19 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The usual stuff. The content, language, whether anything significant is missing etc. DGB is under peer review and Kippax, FAC. Tintin 12:42, 19 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Good work you're doing around cricket articles - glad to have you. No doubt you got your name because you're really "RC". (that joke is (c) Dweller, 2007). Wondered if you'd like to take a look at the thread at WT:CRIC headed "Cricket". --Dweller 12:52, 19 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No worries... I just mean I'll create an exact copy of it at somewhere like User:Dweller/Cricket and we can work on it there... before moving it back into the "mainspace" at Cricket. Tintin was worried about reworking such an important article while it's "live". --Dweller 23:38, 20 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I had understood that the 6 byes story was apochryphal. His last f-c game was in 1907, and I think at that date for a six the ball still had to be hit (or not hit!) out of the ground. JH (talk page) 21:52, 2 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I suppose one could say something like "It has been claimed, probably apochryphally,...". It would be nice to be able to cite somewhere where the story is recounted, though. As for the beamer story, I hadn't heard that one. I find it hard to believe that a beamer passing the batsman at head high, or even a bit higher, could reach the stands without bouncing. JH (talk page) 09:36, 3 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

According to User:Johnlp: There is a citation for the Wallingford incident on page 15 of a 1983 book called The Cricketer Book of Cricket Disasters and Bizarre Records, edited by Christopher Martin-Jenkins and published by Century Publishing (ISBN 07126 0191 0). I have to say that I don't believe it's possible, but on the basis that Wikipedia is about things that are verifiable, not necessarily things that are true... JH (talk page) 22:05, 4 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I decided that it was high time that I had this on my bookshelves, so have just bought both volumes of the 1962 edition. I've only had time for a quick skim so far, but confess myself a little disappointed. Altham doesn't strike me as that good a writer. Also, it might have been more accurate to call it "A History of English Cricket". There seems to be little about events in other countries. And even within England, there seem to be some surprising omissions. Nothing on London County, apparently, or on Philadelphia's tours of England. Bart King isn't even mentioned, if the index is to be believed. JH (talk page) 19:05, 5 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm afraid that my ignorance of Harry East is total. I'll be interested to hear anything that you can unearth about him. JH (talk page) 09:16, 6 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Lovely quote. Thanks! JH (talk page) 17:49, 6 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hello crusoe, I have just nominated this article for FA, I would appreciate any comments you have. Cheers Phanto282 09:01, 14 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sometimes it can be surprisingly difficult to tell if a player already has an article, because there are so many possble permutations: Fred Bloggs, F Bloggs, F.Bloggs, F. Bloggs, Fred Bloggs (cricketer) etc. I tend to check under the most likely Categories to see if the player appears there. JH (talk page) 09:51, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I thought that you might be interested in what I've just managed to dig up in connection with this article. The pre-WW1 writer E.W. Hornung, who wrote the well-known books about Raffles, the gentleman-burglar and fine cricketer, set a chapter of one of them at Lord's, and the text is available online. The link in the second entry in the Notes section of the Craig aricle will take you to it. And should you want to download and read the whole novel, it's available on Project Gutenberg JH (talk page) 20:29, 30 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia relies on information that can be verified and prohibits original research and editors' opinions. See WP:V and WP:OR. If you add new material to articles, please add references showing the source where you got the information. See WP:RS. Best regards, -- Ssilvers (talk) 04:09, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Anything in particular for which you need a reference? Robertson-Glasgow (talk) 12:51, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No, because I have deleted the unreferenced new material. -- Ssilvers (talk) 17:13, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've restored your contribution and provided a link to an Internet source for the material. Thanks for your contributions and best wishes with your editing. :) Cleo123 (talk) 04:15, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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I confess to never having heard of him. For the period, his average of 15.8 strikes me as pretty mediocre. For every generation of players, there's always been some old guy to say that the previous generation was better, so I wouldn't be inclined to take too much notice of the Yorkshire Post. JH (talk page) 09:09, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Don't forget that the standard of the teams that the All-England XI faced was not always very high. There were a lot of cheap wickets to be had, as Clarke's own remarkable figures indicvate. Anyway, to summarise: you reckon that Hodgson was better thajn Peate was better than Peel was better than Rhodes. :) JH (talk page) 17:28, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies for misunderstanding. I had originslly missed your link to East's article, but have now read the piece. There's a lot of interesting stuff there, though I can't say that I much care for East's writing style. It's interesting that Clarke didn't feel that Hodgson's merits as a bowler outweighed his deficiencies as batsman and fielder. My feeling is that if Hodgson had really been as good a bowler as claimed, Clarke would have wanted him playing for his own side. JH (talk page) 10:37, 26 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I see that you've already done some work on the article. His dates of birth and death ought to be in, and the stuff about the other Isaac Hodgson ought to be hived off into a seoarate article, with just a standard dab message at the start of the xcricketer's article. As to East's prose, he strikes me as striving too obviously to mimic Cardus, and to never use a short word if he can find a long one. JH (talk page) 10:02, 27 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've now added some relevant categories and hived off the other Isaac Hodgson. At the start of the cricketer's article I've put in a dablink of the sort that I mentioned. (dab = disambiguation) JH (talk page) 19:39, 27 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

of whom greybeards said, "You can hear the ball bounce as he lets it go." Did you really mean to put "bounce"? It doesn't seem to make much sense in the context of the bowler releasing the ball. JH (talk page) 16:53, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

According to Palmer's Wiki article, he bowled off-breaks rather than leg-breaks. It seems that Cooper did bowl leg-breaks. What I think one could say about Hordern, is that he was the first successful Australian googly bowler. JH (talk page) 08:53, 3 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There seems to be a lot of uncertainty about the methods of many early bowlers. Note that I said above that Hordern was the first successful Australian googly bowler, not the first successful leggie. Anyone prior to Bosanquet was presumably not bowling the googly. As an aside, I think it was the improvement in pitches from about the 1890s onwards that made wrist-spinners more common. When pitches were poor, finger-spinners would be at least as penetrative as wrist-spinners, with the advantage of generally being more economical. JH (talk page) 09:53, 3 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think you may have mentioned that before. However I suspect that it's more likely that Palmer mixed wrist-spun leggies with finger-spun offies. If batsmen weren't then in the habit of watching the bowler's hand, this may have had a similar impact to a mix of leg-breaks and googlies. JH (talk page) 10:29, 3 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Palmer and Bosanquet were playing only some 20 years apart, which isn't a lot. Lots of people must have seen both. Did nobody apart from Hawke suggest that Bosanquet hadn't done anything new? People like Grace and Murdoch, for instance, who probably played with/against both? And there seem to have been no doubts in Australia, where they Christened the googly the Bosie rather than the Joey. Surely they would have claimed it for one of their own if at all feasible? It would be a bit like people today forgetting that Sarfraz had pioneered reverse swing twenty years ago or so. JH (talk page) 16:46, 3 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry if you find my position annoying, but I think you need more than Lord Hawke's opinion to establish your case. It just doesn't seem plausible to me that no-one apart from Hawke would have said that Bosanquet hadn't originated the googly if Palmer had done so not that many years before. JH (talk page) 07:52, 4 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. :) JH (talk page) 09:28, 4 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hello R-G. I've just come across this article via the 1800 season review. It is very good and provides a lot of information but there no references. Could you please provide external sources and a bibliography? Or some of the dreaded inline citations that this site now demands?

Also, who was JF Sutton and what books did he write?

Regards. --BlackJack | ^{talk page} 08:20, 4 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I found Sutton via Google and it seems he is noted for one book in particular which is Nottingham Cricket Matches from 1771 to 1853, published in 1853. I can't find the name of the publisher, however, though it might be on the Notts CCC site which is down at the moment. If you quote Sutton in other articles, could you please make a full reference to this book. I'll add it to Dennis. Thanks again. --BlackJack | ^{talk page} 08:30, 4 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I added Sutton's cricket book to List of works by cricket historians and writers. His entry is only half a dozen or so below your namesake! Regards. --BlackJack | ^{talk page} 09:25, 4 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm afraid the only work I have by A-C is his account of 1742 - 1751 in "Cricket magazine". I haven't reached the 19th century yet in my collection! Regards. --BlackJack | ^{talk page} 09:57, 4 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know if you've seen the article on Ted Barratt which I've just written. Given the period and that he was a slow left-arm bowler, I thought that it might interest you. JH (talk page) 18:05, 11 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

:) JH (talk page) 09:03, 12 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks very much for your excellent additions. JH (talk page) 08:20, 26 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I think that between us we have now have a reasonably complete portrait of Barratt. ...in fact, why not draw my attention to them all? Well, there's a complete list on my User page. Francis Lacey and Frederick Toone are good candidates for expansion. JH (talk page) 08:16, 27 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, you recently edited "Oscar Pistorius" to add that he attended Constantia Kloof Primary School. Do you have a reference to a published source for this? Otherwise, the information may have to be removed for being unreferenced, which would be a pity. If you'd like to discuss the matter further, let's do so on the article's talk page. — Cheers, JackLee ^–talk– 00:28, 23 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

While I do not have any reference for Oscar's attending CKPS, I know for a fact that he did, because I went there with him. His recollections, alas, are not as fond as mine: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml?xml=/sport/2005/04/27/sophil27.xml. Please respond back at my talk page. Cheers, Robertson-Glasgow 00:54, 23 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I suspected that was the case. Unfortunately, the fact that you went to school with him is not independently verifiable. Can you cite a source in another language (e.g., Afrikaans) , or a printed source? An old school annual or magazine is better than nothing. Also, any chance of an old photograph of Pistorius as a child that you could license to Wikipedia? :-) — Cheers, JackLee ^–talk– 01:11, 23 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Cool, thanks. — Cheers, JackLee ^–talk– 02:07, 23 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Glasgow-bhai, can you please add a citation for this. Tintin 10:23, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Found a Hawke comment that the Yorkshire team of the time had ten drunks and a church parson, but no hint that there were no parsons before him. Tintin 02:10, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'd like to congratulate you for your recent edits to this article. I originated the article and even wrote a study http://barryispuzzled.com/shakpuzz.pdf which I've been trying to get recognised and published. Alas, current prejudice about Mr Shakspere of Straford prevails! Regards. (Puzzle Master (talk) 10:33, 19 June 2008 (UTC))[reply]